Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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hey, commie-rats.

How does it feel to subscribe to the most consistently failing economic model in recorded history?

Ironically, Nazi-Germany 1933-38 is the most successful by a longshot, but don't tell the goyim that.

Communism is retarded neck yourself

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This is now a Nationalist Socialism thread

I don't think capturing jews and taking their riches count as an "economic model".

Ironically, this looks like communism, but don't tell the white trash that.

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>capturing jews and taking their riches
>their riches
>their
you best be trolling, nigger.

That's how Germany got out of its economic crisis, Cletus.

actually nope. Hong Kong has the most successful economic model recorded in history.

Hitler after the war left Germany with a massive debt and the reconstruction which was way more efficient was done with ordoliberalism as its base ideology.


@topic: provide proper refutation of the Mises/Hayek calculation/information argument and I'll consider socialism as a serious ideology.

:)

Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.

Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.

...by nationalizing the banking-system and the financial industry, and printing labour-certificates as state-issued currency.

Seizing property alone can only do so much, leaf. But foreign speculants who enrich themselves at the cost of a nation? Why accept it? There is nothing there worth defending.

>commies trying to act like jews are their enemy all of a sudden

leftypol pls go

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>and I'll consider socialism as a serious ideology.
im just going to look towards scandinavia, and scoff at you now.

fuck off you cancerous autistic weeb commie
i bet you're a fucking shitskin moor too

also:
>Hitler after the war
you sort of ignored the pretext of the 5 year period 1933-38 right there.

I thought communism wasn't for equality anyway. That's a meme. "From each accordingly to their ability to each accordingly to their needs".

If you do think economically you're gonna perceive that equality is economically impossible. If you were to make everyone equal in their possessions, if trade is allowed, the minute later due to trade some will get more value than others by engaging in trade itself. If you were to suspend or supervise trade though, you'd make everyone poorer, as history shows.

Venezuela was a socialist utopia until it collapsed :^)
Now it isn't even real socialism :^)

It was a keynesian bubble. Hitler delayed its issues by invading other countries.

A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution

Yep, a capitalist country which very little red tape and higher taxes is a socialist country somehow.

Do you even know what socialism means? It means state ownership of means of production. Sweden has PRIVATE ownership of means of production. It's not a socialist country, by definition, stupid.

"OP is a faggot"
SOURCE: General Franco, 2017

It's fun to watch /leftypol/ squirm and attempt to rationalize when you point out how jewish marxism/bolshevism is. They have no answer other than to claim its (((pure coincidence))) or that it somehow doesn't matter.

>i have no idea how to economic so i base my political beliefs on the idea that someone will invent star trek replicators in the future

sage

>Shoo Shoo Shoo

sage the commies away

Which would break entropy as well, but who cares for a "scientific" ideology, right?

In further contrast to previous economic systems, communism would be characterized by the holding of natural resources and the means of production in common as opposed to them being privately owned (as in the case of capitalism) or owned by public or cooperative organizations that similarly restricts their access (as in the case of socialism). In this sense, communism involves the "negation of property" insofar as there would be little economic rationale for exclusive control over production assets in an environment of material abundance.

The fully developed communist economic system is postulated to develop from a preceding socialist system. Marx held the view that socialism—a system based on social ownership of the means of production—would enable progress toward the development of fully developed communism by further advancing productive technology. Under socialism, with its increasing levels of automation, an increasing proportion of goods would be distributed freely.

>believes in a meme ideology that always ends up with millions dying and then the efforts before it being dismissed as NO TRUE SOCIALISM
>is also an autistic weeb
seriously end yourself man

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le not real socialism

Imagine a worker who is hired for an hour and paid $10. Once in the capitalist's employ, the capitalist can have him operate a boot-making machine with which the worker produces $10 worth of work every fifteen minutes. Every hour, the capitalist receives $40 worth of work and only pays the worker $10, capturing the remaining $30 as gross revenue. Once the capitalist has deducted fixed and variable operating costs of (say) $20 (leather, depreciation of the machine, etc.), he is left with $10. Thus, for an outlay of capital of $30, the capitalist obtains a surplus value of $10; his capital has not only been replaced by the operation, but also has increased by $10.

>what are sanctions, and what do they do?

>It means state ownership of means of production.
no, thats communism.
Socialism means the community or labour-force (not necessarily state) either own or regulate means of production and distribution.
Per definition, scandinavias are more social-democratic welfare-states than actual socialist states though, ill give you that one. They just like to brag about it ad nausea.

>he's still here
I have to give credit where it's due, you sure are persistant.

He's not persistent, he's just extremely autistic.
See: that autismo leaf who STILL posts about how awesome Obama was and totally wasn't a shit president

>you sure are persistant.
>He's not persistent, he's just extremely autistic.

L2 recognize le ebin trollan nazi forum xD meme.

The irony is that this is how most Sup Forumsacks ended up becoming Sup Forumsacks: once the accusations of racism and morality isnt there anymore, all the leftist arguments ring so hollow.

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Have you actually held a job in your life, El Pinko Spico?

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Do you consume nothing but Brazil-tier propaganda?

Can you describe the difference in communism and socialism?

the former is a meme ideology that literally requires sci-fi bullshit to succeed

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wew lad, tearing your country flag would be cosidered a shitty thing in the ussr by everybody, even if it is imperialist jail of nations

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swede please stop bumping this thread

I'm sageing faggot

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Communism is a stateless society in which the workers control the means of production and organise without a government or central leadership (a self-organising network of communities of co-operating workers and citizens manage production)

i did it here:communism: state owns everything

Socialism: people / labour unions own or partly own their own means of production.

The 3rd alternative, where state owns a share and act like a private investor is an interesting option.

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>Hong Kong
The only capitalist part of China up until 30 years ago, really makes me think

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>8 golden rings could support, and even accelerate a national economy
Just like taxing every American 100% would fix their debt, right Bernie?

>you don't need the Boss

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Funny how the Bolsheviks were mostly Jews, right?
Funny how the attempted communist- sorry, SOCIALIST (because true communism is a meme) revolution in Germany after WWI was perpetrated by Jews, right?

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>porky will defend this

This is now a Bogdanoff thread

>socialism equals common property rights
Maybe you should re-educate yourself. That rigid view on property rights is communism. Socialism is the view of economic egalitarianism, to take care of the 'losers' of society, so to speak, and a mixed economy.

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Repeat after me:
Better dead than red.