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Discuss news, ask question, give answers, be kind to one another, and above all assist one another in living the virtuous life. If you feel something is missing, please ask for it to be included while providing a link. As usual, we will be assisting with answering questions.


Today is Sunday of the Fourth week in ordinary time.


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>Catholic Encyclopedia
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>Documents of Vatican II
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>Laudate App
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CATHOLIC NEWS
>Bishop launches campaign to urge Trump to protect religious freedom
catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2017/bishops-launch-letter-campaign-urging-trump-to-protect-religious-freedom.cfm
>Priests from various countries support the Five Dubia
catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/02/01/clarification-is-gravely-needed-international-priests-association-gives-support-to-dubia/
>one of the Dubia Cardinal claims it is suicidal to impose conscience over revelation
lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-caffarra-division-among-pastors-is-the-cause-of-the-letter-we-sent

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conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/frances/Ordinario04.pdf
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/aleman/Ordinario04.pdf
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/holandes/Ordinario04.pdf
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/italiano/Ordinario04.pdf
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/portugues/Ordinario04.pdf
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/polaco/Ordinario04.pdf
masstimes.org/
lms.org.uk/mass-listings
ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm
misas.org/
orariosantemesse.org/
egliseinfo.catholique.fr/
dublindiocese.ie/
katholische-kirche.de/
egliseinfo.be/
episkopat.pl/
bible-researcher.com/sproul1.html
catholic.com/encyclopedia/pope
hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_KNIGHTS_OF_MALTA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-04-12-23-33
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Here are your Sunday readings:
>English
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/ingles/Ordinario04.pdf
>Spanish
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/castellano/Ordinario04.pdf
>French
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/frances/Ordinario04.pdf
>German
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/aleman/Ordinario04.pdf
>Dutch
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/holandes/Ordinario04.pdf
>Italian
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/italiano/Ordinario04.pdf
>Portuguese
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/portugues/Ordinario04.pdf
>Polish
conferenciaepiscopal.nom.es/pastoral/turismo/MISAS/C/polaco/Ordinario04.pdf

>Find Mass Near You
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>Directory for Finding a Latin Mass (U.K)
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misas.org/
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orariosantemesse.org/
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katholische-kirche.de/
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>Directory for Finding a Latin Mass (Poland)
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Good evening. Mass was beautiful today.

Glad to hear it

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Planning on going to a parish for my first time tomorrow. Any tips?

bumping with the local Madonna

>In the name of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit, amen.
I already done my first Communion a long time ago but I have not done my confirmation yet. I am 22 and want to keep my religious side of me intacted. Should I still do it? I really want a young faithful Catholic girl sometime in the future.

Bump. I know you euros probably have mass at this time.

Thanks for starting the thread Spanish Wolf. Off to the Latin mass now

Dear RCC: Why did you bury your so-called pal St. Augustine in the backyard through your doctrines of "gradual mitigation?" Augustine was a Monergist, and the Catholic church condemned Synergism as a heresy. A thousand years later, Catholics and Protestants embrace synergism as gospel!

Not a question really, you have no excuse.

Man I'd love to attend latin mass, unfortunately no Church near me offers the extraordinary form

on my way to sunday mass now. :3

Quote: Do we by grace destroy free will? God forbid! We establish free will. For even as the law is not destroyed but established by faith, so free will is not destroyed but established by grace. The law is fulfilled only by a free will. And yet the law brings the knowledge of sin; faith brings the acquisition of grace against sin; grace brings the healing of the soul from the disease of sin; the health of the soul brings freedom of will; free will brings the love of righteousness; and the love of righteousness fulfils the law. Thus the law is not destroyed but established through faith, since faith obtains grace by which the law is fulfilled. Likewise, free will is not destroyed through grace, but is established, since grace cures the will so that righteousness is freely loved. Now all the stages which I have here connected together in their successive links, are each spoken of individually in the sacred Scriptures. The law says: ‘You shall not covet’ (Ex.20:17). Faith says: ‘Heal my soul, for I have sinned against You’ (Ps.41:4). Grace says: ‘See, you have been made well: sin no more, in case a worse thing comes upon you’ (Jn.5:14). Health says: ‘O Lord my God, I cried to You, and You have healed me’ (Ps.30:2). Free will says: ‘I will freely sacrifice to You’ (Ps.54:6). Love of righteousness says: ‘Transgressors told me pleasant tales, but not according to Your law, O Lord’ (Ps. 119:85). (cont)

- Augustine, On the Spirit and the Letter, 52

How is it then that miserable human beings dare to be proud, either of their free will, before they are set free, or of their own strength, if they have been set free? They do not observe that in the very mention of free will they pronounce the name of liberty. But ‘where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty’ (2 Cor.3:17). If, therefore, they are the slaves of sin, why do they boast of free will? For ‘by whatever a person is overcome, to that he is delivered as a slave’ (2 Pet.2:19). But if they have been set free, why do they puff themselves up as if it were by their own doing? Why do they boast, as if their freedom were not a gift? Or are they so free that they will not have Him for their Lord Who says to them, ‘Without Me, you can do nothing’ (Jn.15:5), and, ‘If the Son sets you free, you shall be truly free?’ (Jn.8:36).

- Augustine, On the Spirit and the Letter, 52

Note: From this quote, we clearly see that Augustine understood "free will" to mean free from the bondage of sin. But to those without the Spirit he asks this rhetorical question shoing he affirms that the unregerate have no true free will: "If, therefore, they are the slaves of sin, why do they boast of free will?"

In the fifth century the Church condemned Pelagius as a heretic. Pelagianism was condemned at the Council of Orange, and it was condemned again at the Council of Florence, the Council of Carthage, and also, ironically, at the Council of Trent in the sixteenth century in the first three anathemas of the Canons of the Sixth Session. So, consistently throughout Church history, the Church has roundly and soundly condemned Pelagianism — because Pelagianism denies the fallenness of our nature; it denies the doctrine of original sin. -RC Sproul

bible-researcher.com/sproul1.html

I said, “Why are you a Christian and your friends aren’t? Is it because you’re more righteous than they are?” He wasn’t stupid. He wasn’t going to say, “Of course it’s because I’m more righteous. I did the right thing and my friend didn’t.” He knew where I was going with that question.

And he said, “Oh, no, no, no.”

I said, “Tell me why. Is it because you are smarter than your friend?”

And he said, “No.”

But he would not agree that the final, decisive issue was the grace of God. He wouldn’t come to that. And after we discussed this for fifteen minutes, he said, “OK! I’ll say it. I’m a Christian because I did the right thing, I made the right response, and my friend didn’t.”

What was this person trusting in for his salvation? Not in his works in general, but in the one work that he performed. And he was a Protestant, an evangelical. But his view of salvation was no different from the Roman view.

Are you a baptist?

hello

Great picture! Mount Athos?

...

>Are you a baptist?

Denomination has zero relevance to the argument, unless you prioritize the authority of your church over the facts. Agreed?

Why do you refuse to answer the question? Are you ashamed of being a baptist or something?

why do you despise authority?

>Why do you refuse to answer the question? Are you ashamed of being a baptist or something?

^ Note the following:

1. Italian is forcing an argument to the person.
2. Also genetic fallacy.

>why do you despise authority?

3. I fully acknowledge the authorities that initially condemned Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism as heresy.

Why can't YOUR authorities be consistent?

Hello guys

>Are you ashamed of being a baptist or something?

If I were a Baptist, I would be ashamed, because Evangelical Protestantism in-general is currently going the way of the modern RCC. (see article above)

Soteriologically, they're no different from one another.

Yet there are a few Baptists that do get it.

fuck cucktolicism which destroys my homeland so much

Lads, what is the point of the Pope? What does he do that others cannot?

>^ Note the following:

>1. Italian is forcing an argument to the person.
>2. Also genetic fallacy.

I asked you a simply question, user. Why are you afraid of speaking the truth? I am a Catholic, I can tell you that quite easily without thinking that expose me to a forced argument or a genetic fallacy. What are you afraid of?

>Why can't YOUR authorities be consistent?
As you yourself said, pelagianism has been condemned by the Church and we don't follow it, so you are just projecting your own warped view of the Church into her doctrines.

1. Do you believe in Sola Scriptura?
2. Do you believe St.Augustine's opinion to be authoritative?

What does the POTUS do? What does he do that others cannot?

>Lads, what is the point of the Pope? What does he do that others cannot?

He is allegedly the heir of apostolic succession. He is considered a literal apostle with the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven with authority 2nd only to Mary herself.

Mary being co-redemptrix and thus co-equal to Christ.

>Mary being co-redemptrix and thus co-equal to Christ.
>co-equal to Christ.
lol no, you are making an eisegesis of Church doctrine that fits your hate for it

>I asked you a simply question, user. Why are you afraid of speaking the truth?

I'm naturally guarded and suspicious, which is no crime. If I were a Baptist, then odds are I would embrace a Semi-Pelagian doctrine.

>As you yourself said, pelagianism has been condemned by the Church and we don't follow it, so you are just projecting your own warped view of the Church into her doctrines.

Note the article above. The majority of Catholics have lapsed back into a form of Pelagianism that is much worse.

Define grace.

Is grace quantifiable?

Does grace facilitate an already extant righteousness in the unbaptized?

>1. Do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

It is the Word of God, which needs only other scripture for interpretation. This dovetails with the next answer. . .

>2. Do you believe St.Augustine's opinion to be authoritative?

Augustine has no authority outside of his objective appeal to the authority of scripture (see above). A pastor is a guide, and not meant to do your thinking for you. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. There is no priest who will do that for you.
2. Do you believe St.Augustine's opinion to be authoritative?

>lol no, you are making an eisegesis of Church doctrine that fits your hate for it

Are you saying that Mary either cannot or does not dispense quantities of grace to the believer?

>Note the article above. The majority of Catholics have lapsed back into a form of Pelagianism that is much worse.
that's wrong though

>Define grace.
grace is a mistery. Your legalism is exactly the kind of thing from which pelagianism stems from.

>It is the Word of God, which needs only other scripture for interpretation. This dovetails with the next answer. . .
So you believe in Sola scriptura.

>Augustine has no authority outside of his objective appeal to the authority of scripture (see above)
So do you think St.Augustine belived in sola scriptura?

>Are you saying that Mary either cannot or does not dispense quantities of grace to the believer?
Co-redemptrix is not a dogma. Graces that come from Christ supposedly pass through her hands before reaching earth, just like Christ went through her to be incarnate in the world. She does not dispense those graces, that quality is merely an honor Christ gives to her by virtue of his love for his mother.

QUENTIN I KNOW YOU SHITPOST HERE YOU BASTARD!

>What does the POTUS do? What does he do that others cannot?
Right, so give me a few examples of things the Pope can do that affects your religion and the way you connect with God.

Have mercy on my wicked soul oh sweet Christ, Mary Mother of God protect me from divine punishment

Let's boil it down further:

- If you define "grace" as a quantifiable mystical Holy substance, then you're a Pelagian at least to some extent.

- If you define "grace" simply as "un-merited favor," then you're being consistent with how the term is used in all other circumstances. Grace in the Christian context is only exclusively defined as God's un-merited favor toward the one that is born dead in sin and trespass.

"Sin" defined as the condition you're in that is the ultimate cause of the individual "sins" that result. "We are not sinners because we sin. Rather, we sin because we are sinners."

she's not equal to god but she has his ear.

On the third day there was a marriage at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; 2 Jesus also was invited to the marriage, with his disciples. 3 When the wine failed, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you."

I am not really interested in this empty intellectual endeavour about trying to define exactly what grace is. Perhaps others will want to engage with you about it.
Fact is though that the Church has rejected pelagianism and it doesn't become Church doctrine just because you claim the opposite to be true. You are the classic case of "let me tell you about your Church" that affects all protestants alike. You don't want to be Catholic? Fine. Just don't make shit up to calm your conscience about your choice.

Lastly, St.Augustine did not believe sola Scriptura at all

Good Morning lads, Im finishing my shift in 2 hours and then heading home for a quick shower and get dressed for Sunday Mass.

How are you all on this fine Sunday?

What are you going to do at a Parish on a Monday? Where is it? a little tip I know, as soon as you enter remove your hat, if you don't have one, bring one; when inside, make sure it is visible that you removed your hat. In many churches (at least in Spain ) it shows your respect and makes you more visible than Normal tourists, granting you more appeal if you wish so

>that's wrong though

Which isn't an actual argument. You're merely asserting. I'll give you another chance.

> grace is a mistery.

It's a mystery to you because you're a slave to pagan mysticism. "Mystery religion" should be your first clue.

You appeal to truth at our first encounter. The truth of grace is in its common and honest meaning.

> Your legalism is exactly the kind of thing from which pelagianism stems from.

But I'm not appealing to law. So you're flailing around in the dark at this point. I am a Monergist, and as such, they are fierce opponents of legalism.

But the problem is, how can you know that legalism and grace oppose one another if one is pure mystery? Hm?

> So you believe in Sola scriptura.

Do you have a problem with me proclaiming it the Word of God? I think you have a problem with the way I prioritize it.

> So do you think St.Augustine belived in sola scriptura?

In practice, it is usually, if not always, his final appeal. So, yes in-practice "in-deed." Well, at least in City of God and Confessions, which I've read.

>Co-redemptrix is not a dogma.

Yet you're in no hurry to condemn it.

> Graces that come from Christ supposedly pass through her hands before reaching earth, just like Christ went through her to be incarnate in the world. She does not dispense those graces, that quality is merely an honor Christ gives to her by virtue of his love for his mother.

A quantifiable mystical substance that you otherwise cannot define.

Why not try the more honest and more direct definition?

Because it doesn't appeal to your pride, nor does it appeal to your cognitive bias.

Grace is not pixie dust. Grace is not some kind of magic juice.

Hail Mary, full of un-merited favor, the Lord is with thee. Which she acknowledges in the Magnificat, glorifying God as "my Savior." Saved from what?

Saved from what?

Hey leaf, can you answer me this please because I don't think Pizzabro is going to.
I just don't understand the Pope and his role.

Is fapping really a sin? Or is it one of those Old Testament rules we don't have to follow anymore?

Answer what? The Pope question?

Yeah. What is the Pope for? Why has a man got a leading role in Christianity, should that not be God's job?

From the Catechism

Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
[...]

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

How can anyone believe that god is jesus, or even your holy spirit (mortal beings) if none of the believers have ever seen him? It just astounds me what people will believe.

>she's not equal to god but she has his ear.

"Co-redemptrix" = CO-REDEEMER. Thus, equal in station.

>On the third day there was a marriage at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; 2 Jesus also was invited to the marriage, with his disciples. 3 When the wine failed, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you."

Therefore, Mary submits to the authority of Christ and compels others to do so, as any true disciple should. Problem?

> I am not really interested in this empty intellectual endeavour about trying to define exactly what grace is.

Of course you're not interested. It's pretty much the last thing you want to deal with, considering how you're running around chasing my denomination instead as a red herring seems to be what you prefer.

>Perhaps others will want to engage with you about it.

Then you cannot engage. That's entirely your problem; one you're not concerned with.

>Fact is though that the Church has rejected pelagianism and it doesn't become Church doctrine just because you claim the opposite to be true.

It was gradually mitigated. It's on New Advent if you don't believe me. Ironically enough, you've regressed, and Evangelicals are right behind you.

Thus, my above link. Too bad you're too busy avoiding it.

>Lastly, St.Augustine did not believe sola Scriptura at all

Deeds, not words.

>It's a mystery to you because you're a slave to pagan mysticism. "Mystery religion" should be your first clue.
lol here we go with the warped view of the based on your hate for the Church. As if one needed any further proof that your judgmenet of Church Doctrine will ever be based on an honest review or a visceral hatred and bias.
I guess God is a pagan because he is ultimately a mistery to us. Shake my damn head.

>how can you know that legalism and grace oppose one another if one is pure mystery? Hm?
Ultimately grace is a mistery because it comes from God. What you are trying to do is exactly legalism whether you like it or not, to try and define "bureaucratically" the things that come from God.
I am not prepared enough on the specific topic to start splitting hair and demolish all your heresies and misconceptions of Church doctrine, perhaps others will want to do it but I am not interested.

>Do you have a problem with me proclaiming it the Word of God? I think you have a problem with the way I prioritize it.
Again you start slandering and trying to depict a warped view of others. I simply asked you what you believe, but apparently it's hard for you to give straight answers.

>In practice, it is usually, if not always, his final appeal. So, yes in-practice "in-deed." Well, at least in City of God and Confessions, which I've read.
Nope, he didn't believe in sola scriptura, pic related.

>Yet you're in no hurry to condemn it.
What's to condemn? It's not a dogma at all. Also there's nothing to condemn, because the term refers to a submissive role of Mary to Christ, not an equal one as you would like to portray

>Because it doesn't appeal to your pride, nor does it appeal to your cognitive bias.
lol m8 I am not the one going around and shitting on Sup Forums threads to challenge others so I can win internet arguments. I am quite confident not the one with pride here.

>Which she acknowledges in the Magnificat, glorifying God as "my Savior." Saved from what?
Saved from death through the cross, like all of us. Her importance and sinlessness is directly tied to her relationship with Christ, it is not of her own power. We were saved by the Cross. She was also saved by the Cross, but because of her relationship with Christ, she was made sinless from the beginning. Not independent from the cross, but because of the cross.

Catholics got really cucked and sucking on muslim dick 24/7 to make the west forget the crusades and the bigotted shit they did hundreds of years ago. Jesus Christ is a meme today that is funny to insult and the followers are too cucked to raise their voice against it. This religion is like the metaphor of white skin, you can talk shit about it and you will become cool, hip and enlightened and don't get any negative label like if you critise any other religion or skin color what is not christianity and white.

Any eastern orthodox here? I recently had a spiritual awakening and I want to join the church. There's a greek church near me that I'm probably going to, and there's a number of other orthodox churches in the area. Is Greek a good one to start with? Also what should I know before going to church? I've never even read the bible and my family was not religious.

Basically to keep catholic churches united all around the world so bishops dont sperg out and make jew tier branches of christianity that dont follow scripture and do what they want just cause they werent happy about the true word of God.

he just has the last say between all the bishops
if you want a detailed explanation you can google it.

just go. you have to go there to learn about it.

My mother is orthodox and Im half greek but my father is catholic hence why I was baptized a catholic due to
>PATRIARCHY.

You wont be able to understand shit, even I, speaking greek, dont know what theyre saying because they chant in ancient tongue.

Otherwise its an interesting mass but dont expect to go there understanding much. The pastor should speak some english during mass though.

He holds the keys to Heaven. Whatever he looses on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.

>I guess God is a pagan because he is ultimately a mistery to us. Shake my damn head.

Thomas Aquinas (also a Monergist) would say that God is not 100% completely a mystery as you're trying to spin it. There is enough that we can know about Him and salvation by grace through faith that demolishes your defense of a pure mystery religion.

>Ultimately grace is a mistery because it comes from God.

Which is ultimately circular reasoning on your part, "It's a mystery because it comes from a mystery religion that is ultimately a mystery."

How utterly and shockingly pagan of you. It is in fact so blatant, that I'm more willing to believe you're just a troll pretending to be Catholic, rather than admit I'm responding to the real thing. (cont)

Cheers mate.

If we take Mathews reference to the pope, he is supposed to be the descendant of St Peter and the rock on which the church is to be built. The pope nowadays is thought by many theologians to be a figurehead representing the joint church, despite sometimes being a bit different from the Christian base. He is supposed to influence both rich and poor to follow god. During the medieval period, the pope stopped wars and excommunicated bad rulers, which gained him many support from the low strata. The rulers would also tend to seek for the popes approval so he could mediate conflicts. As any political figure, corruption can take effect, like the Borgia family, but in most cases the pope isn't so involved in crime and nepotism

You guys ever have any mystical experiences? Jesus gave me some theosis experiences a few years ago that were very intense... But I ended up getting attacked BIG LEAGE as they ended. Just wondering if anyone else had anything happen. Since the attacks stopped I still get fits of panic from time to time. They're getting easier and less severe but I still get scared.

>Thomas Aquinas (also a Monergist) would say that God is not 100% completely a mystery as you're trying to spin it
I never said he is 100% a mistery. It's impossible to speak with people like you, you'll always argue against a strawman instead of reading what people are actually telling you. Your kind is never interested in the truth, only in striking their own ego.

>"It's a mystery because it comes from a mystery religion that is ultimately a mystery."
Now I am starting to think you are just b8ing, you can't be this dishonest and retarded.

>How utterly and shockingly pagan of you. It is in fact so blatant, that I'm more willing to believe you're just a troll pretending to be Catholic, rather than admit I'm responding to the real thing. (cont)
Pot calling the kettle black

Here's your last (you) m8

Peace be with you all.

In Matthew 16, Jesus said he would found his church on Peter, considered the leader of the apostles (among other reasons, look at listings of the apostles in scripture: Peter is always listed first, Judas Iscariot is always listed last).

Protestants say Jesus was referring to Peter's faith, not Peter himself, an idea refuted not only by the original Greek text but the Aramaic language Christ would have used in his time.

The pope is the "head" bishop, leading the church as it is guided by the Holy Spirit, waiting for Christ's triumphant return. Some other churches, for example Anglican and Orthodox, end up having a de facto pope, demonstrating the need for this role.

catholic.com/encyclopedia/pope

No my dude I just go to mass and feel happy to see families get together and rejoice. Does good for the soul.

Im also going through a pretty tough time in life over a girl I love so I think that its important that I stay devoted to God because its easy to lose faith in difficult episodes of our lives when things arent going well for us.

Just gives me a reason to get up in the morning and do well in life.

Also a comfortable shield to the rampant degeneracy all around us. Order, Tradition, Mystery, Love and Morals.

Sup Forums is a Reformed/Calvinist board

no

Bitch pls

Anyone else watching The Young Pope?
This show is 10/10 and will make a new generation of Catholics.

Nope

>What you are trying to do is exactly legalism whether you like it or not, to try and define "bureaucratically" the things that come from God.

If you really believe such an (empty) accusation, then you don't know the scripture.

>I am not prepared enough on the specific topic. . .

You could have just said as much and ended it there. You're not prepared. . .AT ALL.

And if you ask your local priest, he'll waffle back and forth without giving you a definitive answer until you give him blessed relief from your leaving him.

>Again you start slandering and trying to depict a warped view of others.

Not slander. See the question mark there? Honest question. Honest observation. If you have an actual argument to the contrary, then bring it. Oh, I forgot, you're not prepared. . .

>Nope, he didn't believe in sola scriptura, pic related.

Which actually compliments my OP(s), because back then the church was in obedience to the Word of God. You know, the books that Augustine is always citing as his authority. You're assuming that the same church authority which legitimately existed 1000 years ago (that I stated up-front I agreed with) is the same as it is today, and not regressive at all.

Which is a false and misinformed assumption.

>What's to condemn?

Why, the practice of course. You keep bleating, "It's not dogma," when so many of your ilk are practicing it as-if it were.

>It's not a dogma at all. Also there's nothing to condemn, because the term refers to a submissive role of Mary to Christ, not an equal one as you would like to portray

"CO-REDEEMER" = equal station. There is only one redeemer.

>lol m8 I am not the one going around and shitting on Sup Forums threads to challenge others so I can win internet arguments. I am quite confident not the one with pride here.

So prove it by leaving. I didn't open the thread. And what's more, you're overtly admitting you weren't prepared for the challenge to begin with.

it's anti-catholic and anti-religion in a very subtle way, I didn't like it. Good photography though

that's cool.. Something I learned from my experiences is that saying you don't have any experiences isn't entirely true... So long as you have peace within yourself, you have the spirit with you. You never really realize how constant and active God's grace is until it's been taken from you and you're left in the abyss.

God's grace is a lot like Oxygen. It's all around and you never realize how much you love it until you're stuck in the ocean drowning. I think that's why people who used divination always referred to the afterlife as some form of abyss. They were going to a place where the grace was absent.

Yup. Great show. Not perfect but thankfully it's not jew shit. I love it so far. Watched the first 10 episodes.

>Saved from death through the cross, like all of us.

You mean sin. Christ's death was a vicarious blood atonement for sin.

Yet you both believe and teach that Mary had no sin.

Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.

God bless you all Sup Forums.

I think of it as fleas doubting the existance of a dog because they cant see the big picture. Youre very right user.

>You mean sin. Christ's death was a vicarious blood atonement for sin.
you are such a pathetically dishonest person. The wages of sin is death. We are saved by sin so that we may neved die by being with God. Therefore I didn't say anything different from what you just wrote.

>Yet you both believe and teach that Mary had no sin.
Yep, Immaculate Conception. Stay mad heretic

How about we just accept differences and admire the scripture for what it is? There are bigger fish to fry and we shouldn't waste it infighting like has been done for ages.

Bless you all.

Calvinism is a strange one, it essentially claims that most of humanity are nothing more than vessels for God's wrath, and the few that are saved simply won a cosmic jackpot. I'm not arguing against it's legitimacy, but if true the Calvinist God is a malevolent sadist

if you wanted you could find all the answers you wanted by studying, Instead of insisiting they be spoonfed to you so you could keep turning away thinking you're special.

If you want to define what the RCC faith is so you can refute it, go right ahead. I'm sure it feels great for you.

we get it, you're not catholic. we get it, you'll never bow to rome. we get it, you know more about it than the priests do... you're not the first person to spout this out...

>implying the Church teaches any of the stuff you accused her of
>implying you have the authority to say the Church is teaching false doctrines
ah, the pride of the heretics, never ceases to amaze me

How do we remove cuck pope?

>Daily reminder that a pope is pope for lifetime and there can only be one pope and that Benedikt XVI is still our only legitimate pope

Calvinism is all the worst elements of protestantism on steroids

Do it. Without confirmation, you're not really a catholic

>Yep, Immaculate Conception. Stay mad heretic

Which contradicts scripture. I cited the Magnificat, which is also inspired scripture.

If you believe in the Immaculate Conception as dogma, then Mary didn't need to acknowledge God as her Savior (from sin).

That fact will haunt you the rest of your life if you don't repent.

don't get him started.. now he's just gonna go on and on about the papacy with their cliche'd strawmen and Pope Francis quotes... you HAD to do it lol.

what bible is the closest to the original,
can be non-english too

What do catholic think of the pentecostals? My pastor left the catholic faith to become a pentecostal peacher.

Why do you consider it to be anti-catholic?

Honestly. I was expecting it to be really blatantly anti-catholic.

Did you see what he did to the Knights of Malta?

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We've had shitty Popes before. The Church is bigger than any one man, we'll get through it.

Did your logical trap work as well as you hoped? I have the impression that it was a contrivance that was smelled from a mile away.

What did you intend to achieve by it?

>How do we remove cuck pope?
you wait for him to die, and in the meanwhile pray for him and pray that the Cardinals choose one you like more the next time

>Which contradicts scripture.
it doesn't
> I cited the Magnificat, which is also inspired scripture.
And I told you why it doesn't contradict the Magnificat
>If you believe in the Immaculate Conception as dogma, then Mary didn't need to acknowledge God as her Savior (from sin).
Wrong. Her Immaculate Conception occurred because she was chosen to birth Christ and for no other reason. Christ saved her from sin, just like he saved all of us.

>That fact will haunt you the rest of your life if you don't repent.
Oh I do need to repent, like all of us. But you have no authority to say what I should repent about and to judge me with your pride and self-importance.


lol I just love the smugness of the Pope there, I had to post it

Assemble a council of cardinals, remove pope. ez

>pastor

Your problem is you were never a catholic in the first place.

>How about we just accept differences and admire the scripture for what it is?

Because it comes down to the sine-qua-non of salvation itself. Justification is the very article upon which the church stands or falls.

How does one locate a lie?

Isolate the contradiction.

If it's confirmed as a true contradiction, then we have a moral mandate to make a decision right then and there. We are morally obligated to pursue the truth wherever it takes us; not where we'd rather take it.

don't forget about fatima and St. Malachi. We may always have a Church, but the pontifical line might be adjusted...

Mary was the first one to say "My sprit rejoices in God my SAVIOR"