Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola Konstantin Rodzaevsky Francisco Rolao Preto Dimitrije Ljotic
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Logan Williams
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Nicholas Scott
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Elijah Carter
The think I like the most about fascism is how everyone has to do what the bureaucrats say.
Sebastian Lee
Dear bullies,
See that girl you just called fat? She is starving herself. You know that girl you just called ugly? She spends hours putting on make-up hoping people will like her. That boy you just tripped? He is abused enough at home. See that old man you made fun of cause of the ugly scars? He fought for our country. See that young boy you must made fun of for always being sick? He has to walk home in the snow cause his family is too poor. That guy you just made fun of for crying? His mother is dying.
Re-Post this if you are against bullying. I bet many of you won't, Your life is probably not as harsh as theirs plus you're probably a douche bag.
Jaxson Ross
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Benjamin Anderson
Hey wait a second this just sounds like communism for the right!
Camden Allen
Made me think
Aiden Cruz
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Levi Sullivan
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Christopher Thomas
Daily reminder
Jaxson Gonzalez
>I know nothing about both ideologies besides authoritarianism
Joshua Gomez
Wrong thread, but sure, no bully. Tnx for the bump.
Gavin Thomas
Wow, the bitcoin maximalist to the left is really annoying. Does he really thinks that btc will be the main thing a couple of years from now?
Leo Torres
w-what
Chase Thompson
the first few paragraphs literally describe socialist policies you dumbass
Easton Thompson
I just think the name recognition of Bitcoin and its huge user base /adoption rate isn't going anywhere in two years unless a major technical failure sweeps in.
Isaiah Jackson
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Samuel Rivera
Wrong thread.
Daniel Morgan
What are you talking about
Justin Torres
Corporatism has its similarities, but it is not the same.
>Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people. Fascism involves a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level. This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to reduce the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or "incorporate" every divergent interest into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration for their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion.
Chase Brown
i'm a bot
Logan Sanchez
In an 100% white state, socialism works amazingly well. See nordic nations before the immigrant crisis for example.
Owen Cooper
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Josiah Reyes
Stop making these so late, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ayden Martinez
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Logan Foster
Does Corportatism allow for a kind of free market to exist where citizens are allowed to start their own business and competition is a thing within the marketplace? I believe government influence is required to ensure a fair and equitable situation for the consumers but I'm very skeptical of a complete government control or enforced monopolies.
David Thompson
that's not the question. that guy was answering someone who called fascism 'communism for the right', which essentially is what it was designed as. (more or less) apart from that: socialism in nordic nations works great my ass. it stiffles their growth, and these nations live off of the success of liberal (as in adam smith) economic policies they had up to the 50s/60s. just because they get ahead, doesn't mean the can't do better.
Jordan Lee
>pol btfo What do you do when the memes turn against you?
Carson Turner
Yes of course, private businesses and ownerships are completely possible. The state intervenes mainly to regulate larger businesses from gaining too much power or dominance, and to make sure products are not going to be of harm to the state.
Jaxson Brown
This might get a better reaction out of /r/the_donald?
Sup Forums is a fascist board we admit that
Jonathan Lewis
the thread 'if you don't do what I say I take away your company' is totally free market. OH THE FREEDOM
Adam Morgan
Please dont associate fascism with the alt right, its a group of confused conservatives and people who can't decide if they are gay or nazis. I do not want to be associated with those fags.
Jackson Long
>implying pol is a single entity Okay 9gag
Oliver Martinez
It's more supervision and coordination than control or enforcement. Corporatism does allow for free market to exist, but companies would not be allowed to sell products that would have a damaging impact in the well-being of society.
Gabriel Williams
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Alexander Jenkins
>implying no gay nazis. Ok phteven, here's your starbucks
Ethan Morris
>thread openly declares they are fascist >meme implies that were somehow denying that they are fascists Fucking leaves I swear.
So business is still allowed to exist in a regulated market much like it does currently in America?
Jacob Wright
I didnt say it was complete free market, just that private ownerships are allowed and encouraged. Products advocating or promoting degenerate type things, or anything else deemed harmful to the physical and mental health of the people, would not be allowed.
Carter Ramirez
But we *are* facists... Nobody is arguing against that, you shit-gobbling autist
Brayden Sanchez
So how do yo explain me? How can my presence and participation in this thread be possible if white supremacy is the central point of interest here?
Robert Jones
>what is the night of long knives
Justin Bailey
>Does Corportatism allow for a kind of free market the answer is no.
> private ownerships also no, when you have to do with your property as someone else says, it's only yours in name.
Alexander Ortiz
Also another question
Is fascism always expansionist or aggressive in foreign policy? I read about how Hitler used the idea of Lebensraum as a defining point and reason behind his aggressions, but could a more isolationist and autarkic centered ideal be a possible goal of a fascist government instead, either wanting to get along with neighbors or simply just stay out of all external affairs?
Joseph Rivera
the result of a power conflict between two competing para-military organisations.
Matthew Gutierrez
Fucking fascists. I know nothing about the word or the people but fuck you, you're evil nazis
Kevin Gutierrez
More or so yes, corporatism just brings about heavy, but necessary regulation.
Elijah Cox
Italians are super mega fascist nazis
Angel Garcia
Also ridding the party of degenerates, and people hitler deemed to be only "reactionary" instead Of "revolutionary"
Jace Gonzalez
You are taking things to the extreme, the kind of free market that your post implies does not exist anywhere, only an An-Cap "society" would permit a market completely free of restrictions or regulations.
Jeremiah Scott
Sure if the Nation has enough ressources to be autarkic.
But eventually ressources run dry and there is no other way but to expand.
Aiden Wright
Am I Italian?
Oliver Gray
Its a simple rule, could you really not create anything that could actually be productive for the people?
Nathaniel Williams
>quads >double dub
Clearly this is a sign.
What kind of regulations are we talking about here though? Just simple protectionist policies and anti-monopoly/anti-trust regulations or is it something harsher?
Benjamin Morales
I mean there's trade.
Cooper Young
>flag Are you so autistic you cant even recognize your country?
Gabriel Baker
I got 88 Heil himmler, look guys im alt right
Brody Lee
>Also ridding the party of degenerates yeah, side effect from nazis beein degenerates. on the other hand goebbels was still around somehow ... that fucking gimp
Tyler Edwards
Hitler was highly Autarkic but other fascists and natsocs weren't, like Strasser.
Zachary Reed
You are the one that called me Italian, I am Mexican, either you are drunk or a dumb troll, we will ignore you now.
Jayden Martin
The suppression of the TRUE REVOLUTIONARY NATIONAL SOCIALISTS
Dominic Jones
a free market is being defined by being free. there are very few things fascism is clear about, but about the market being not free it's very clear - mostly because it was born out of disappointment with capitalism after the great depression.
Ayden Ward
And what exactly are you gonna trade if your own resources run out?
You can trade to a certain point yes but eventually turning to conquest is inevitable.
Same issue with overpopulation. You either force birth control or you expand.
Benjamin Morales
It varies in fascism, from interventionism to isolationism, personally and usually the most agreed on policy is isolationism.
Jacob Sanders
>implying the altright doesn't trigger the majority of Sup Forums already
Austin Moore
A free market that allows monopolies and trusts to exist is not a free market but a controlled economy under oligarchs and plutocrats.
Juan Nelson
What exactly did goebbels do? Besides his personality and confidence issues, I dont recall him doing anything very degenerate.
Gavin Torres
people can perfectly decide for themselves what's good for them. they do not need no office clerk to decide for them. your 'proposal' just leads to poverty
Grayson Ramirez
What are the main ideological differences between Italian Fascism and National Socialism?
Dominic Phillips
Name favorite politician or political philosopher
Mine is William Pierce
Jaxson Kelly
Hitlerite National Socialism loads on the racial science and isn't as big on corporatism.
Juan Watson
Mainly racial ones.
Luis Ramirez
>What exactly did goebbels do? he was just a cripple in a body-cult-regime ...
Owen Bennett
>poverty Wrong, and absolute free will is what has gotten us in this terrible state of society today, it appeals to some attributes of our nature, greed, the want for more. And this applies to certain movements nowadays, one degeneracy becomes accepted, and then the pushing for the next starts. We are on the brink of a near social collapse, and the way things are going, it is going to happen.
why do Italians come up with the best and worst shit in the same breathe?
Benjamin Taylor
Italian fascism has no socialistic aspects and inherently nothing racial or anti semetic policies, national socialism has the socialistic aspects such as healthcare for the elderly and disabled, and then racial and anti semetic policies.
Joseph Green
erm, your point being? I don't get what exactly you think I have said ...
oh, and he was a fatty. that's degenerate by default.
fuck, your right ... in my defense: it's already morning here and I haven't slept yet ...
Aiden Watson
The Italian fascist had a wonderful conception of hierarchy, but they were too weak in these areas: Blood (Nazi Germany), Honor (Japan), and Spirit (Falangists and the Iron Guard). The material element, none of them were perfect at, but the blooded element was closest. The material element needs to be subjugated to all of them, or it will subjugate you. A pure conception of Fascism is Traditionalism, valuing all of those disparate elements.
A synthesis of Blood, Honor, Hierarchy, and Spirit, all valued above the material reality.
Mason Sanchez
Okay and? Most of this article is typical BS, "fascism was actually inspired by marxism" You going to tell me the good ole hitler was actually Jewish one next? Fascism on the political compass is best described as center right, it would be kind of contradictory if fascism was inspired by marxism and then, went and kicked out and killed and banned the Marxists? And put a complete hatred Of marxism into the state?
Anthony Gray
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Christian Brown
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Tyler Rivera
>"fascism was actually inspired by marxism" it was. a lot. if you doubt that, maybe realise that the whole idea of an 'scientific approach' to politics and the economy is actually a socialist idea. to be clear, by this I mean the idea of being able to 'design human action'.
> political compass that shit isn't worth shit. both fascists and socialists want to control and plan the economy. they shouldn't be apart.
>best described as center right that's funny, because ... that's what the article is saying. it's alot about how modern economic policies have their roots in fascism - and gues what? they're considered centre right.
>it would be kind of contradictory if fascism was inspired by marxism
you think a man that was the leader of the italian socialist party is not gonna be inspired by socialist ideas?
accept it: you're ideology is an ancient meme
Ayden Ward
teach me about mosley senpai
Ayden Garcia
>tfw I have webms of Mosley speeches >Sup Forums doesn't allow ebms with sound
fug
Kayden Watson
That's too bad, Mosley is probably the Fascist leader I've seen the least of in terms of speeches.
Isaiah Sullivan
The article described fascism as being more of a leftist marxist ideology. And >people can't change meme After world war one Mussolini said himself he realized socialism was a failure
Liam Kelly
Great speaker. If he wasn't so LARPy he probably would have been more successful.
Also Mussolini was an ex-commie
Jeremiah Wood
Did Mussolini wanted to create a New Rome?
Isaiah Davis
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Bentley Jackson
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Jason Fisher
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Hudson Peterson
Yes, Mussolini aspired to restore the glory of the Roman empire to Italy.
Aiden Russell
hi guys I want to get de-spooked please help
Luis Campbell
What happened to you?
Michael Taylor
>After world war one Mussolini said himself he realized socialism was a failure you think this negates the possibility that socialism inspired Mussolini? Don't you think it might be likely for him to say something like 'socialism is wrong, but that one thing there it got right'? ... after all he spent several years finding right things in socialism before ...
>The article described fascism as being more of a leftist marxist ideology.
don't you think it's possible for it to be about both? like ... the author writing about it for a reason? ... especially since he introduces it with the following sentence:
"the economics of Italian Fascism is often ignored or trivialized because so much of it is found in today's world economies. "
