Define fascism

I want to see what the people of Sup Forums define fascism as.

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A system of government which consists of a dictatorship that values above all else national pride.

State control of the economy.

AntiFa

Anything that opposes Karl Marx.

literally trump

It's really just a buzz word. Governments are extremely complex. They are always more pragmatic and less ideological based. Fascism is just a buzz word like Nazi except it's supposed to sound more clinical and less emotional.

Nobody asked you to respond Italy.

dare I say... drumpf BTFO?

Authoritarian capitalism

Anybody I disagree with, this week I feel like fascists are homosexual republicans. Naturally I want their heads kicked in too.

Lol

Anything that liberals don't like is fascism

Fascism is:
ANYTHING I AGREE WITH THAT SJWS HATE

its just some meaningless word leftists say.

>Using the pilum as a spear
>Romans forming a shitty phalanx
>Centurion in the middle of the formation

This shit triggers me.

Unlawfull use of violence for political gains. I.E. antiFa

A nationalistic state which is ruled by the law of nature. It is difficult to define fascism because there have been so many manifestations of it. Every single Fascist leader's doctrines of Fascism have been different.

Fascism is one of those that are harder to define such as anarch-communism. However there is a general pattern that most fascist are associated with, the problem with this though is that most dictators who are not fascist can also be associated with these common values.
Similarities between most fascist leaders through out history

>large centralized military that is commanded by the government which is the military

>generally a dictatorship, (although one can make the argument of more older societies being fascist but not dictatorships such as Chinese dynasties and Rome etc...)

>One central government entity that rules all

>focuses economy on building up military necessities

>although the government pushes citizens to help build the countries military might it is in general a free market society which businesses have the ability to decide wages, cost of products, what products are available, the general structure of one's business, and the ability to actually start your own business when ever you want to

>nationalism which is adopted by pretty much every dictator even if they aren't a fascist, ie soviet union, the Chinese republic, Vietnam (which was established by true nationalist not commies), and even Cuba

>Persecution of those that do not comply with the government (which can be said for every dictatorship and communist country)

In the end Fascism is very similar to communism when it comes to general trends other than anything involving economics.

All in all Fascist persecute specific groups while Communist persecutes everyone including other Communist

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mixed economy, authoritarian government, nationalist

any other answer is politically-charged drivel

Don't get stuck in slide threads, come help us be productive

fuck antifa, sage

anyone to the right of karl marx

The uniter is unlawful use of force/violence.

Lawfull use of force/violence is to stop violent acts or potential violence to occur. I.E. stealing is against the law, because theft has a high probability of creating violence, especially when the thief is caught redhanded by the owner of the stolen goods.

When force/violence or the threat thereof is used for any other means than to prevent/stop force/violence, we are going towards fascism.

I.E. a fascist wants there to be used violence to make people do as he thinks they should do, not as they themselves want to do, while no threat of violence or use of violence is present.

Stopping potential dangerous immigrants is not fascism. It's force used to prevent potential violence or threat thereof.

Fighting in the streets because you disagree with the presidential election is fascism. It's the use of force, where there is no threat of, or use, of force.

An authoritarian socialist state enforced by political violence.

Merger between corporations and the state to further the well being of the population. Either willingly or unwillingly(by the corporations). with just a little handful of Nationalism.

>mixed economy,

There are no pure socialist, communist, capitalist economies

>authoritarian government,

Name one non-authoritarian government

>nationalist

Name one government that doesn't espouse national interests.

>An authoritarian socialist state enforced by political violence.

All governments claim a monopoly on violence.

Power in the hands of the people

Socially right leaning authoritarianism.

An easy (oversimplified) definition I use is;
>a nationalist authoritarian government

Communism would have an oversimplified definition as;
>a globalist authoratarian government.

Marriage of the corporation and the state. Hardly free market capitalism.

I just googled it. Uh, sweetie, I think it's pretty obvious what facism is.

>One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.

>Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.

>name one government that doesn't espouse national interests.

the united states government

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

That was Mussolini's definition so it's definitive

2)

One must understand that the socialism aspect of National Socialism isn't an economical one, it's rather a mindset/philosophical one.

It can be summed up as:
To each his own, but above all, the common interest before self interest.

>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
- Adolf Hitler 1938

>Anarcho-communism

how the fuck does that work? thats like having frozen fire or something, they're polar opposites

Government built around the idea of complete control over all aspects of industry, economy and, often, private life of its citizens.

this

but unlike its been said its isnt actually a merger of corporate and state

it means the state controls corporate rather than simply regulating it

this is in contrast to communism which simply does away with business and corporate

> facism, nationalist socialism, uses it as a tool to keep things running

google's definition is wrong, they're plebs and need to do some real research

It's what happens when excessive capitalism leads to high inequality, the poor are agitated and the rich are worried. An enemy is introduced to divert the poor, nationalism is promoted to create a false sense of unity, and violence is increased to foster fear in the peaceful.

Once the means of production have been seized, the commons will be able to operate on a voluntary and independent basis - free from centralization, and therefore the state.

In very broad strokes, they agree on the means but not the outcome.

In response to OP, I'll refer to that post from the other thread which summed it up nicely. See pic related.

lol exactly why I used it as an example of being a undefinable "ism"

It is pretty funny and cringey to listen to anarcho commies trying to explain how they are commies yet also edgey anarchist, the end result of these idiotic beliefs combined is Antifa

youtube.com/watch?v=e2KSFkDCDns&t=89s

Anything that triggers liberals
or..
A far right authoritarian government

Literally anything I personally don't like.

This is fascism
youtube.com/watch?v=9oofI0AKrJs

almost as good as anarcho-monarchism

yes

>Government built around the idea of complete control over all aspects of industry, economy

this can't be any farther from fascism because this is by definition communism

Fascist don't control the economy they do however push their economic goals (typically military related) onto the economy, capital encouragement not indoctrination.

For example the US government is currently pushing heavy funding into cyber security programs because Iran is currently the best in the world for cyber security. They do so by funding research into this field, creating job opportunities, and supplying grants to those that wish to enter the field.

I am personally involved in one of these programs currently cause the demand for this job has gone up, because of government involvement which means increased wages $_$

>Iran is currently the best in the world for cyber security.

wut

Corporatism, totalitarianism and nationalism

this
Pretty sure Estonia is oddly enough one of those leading the way in the department

It's like...when you say something incredibly homophobic/transphobic/misogynist/racist/ableist/ageist

There is a cool documentary about how this happened and yes DDDAAAA JJJEEEEWWWWSSSS are involved it called "Zero Days" it was made in 2016 and discuses STUXNET. You will have to pirate it though if you want to see it make sure you get the 2016 version.

>corporate statism, all interest groups are represented
>strong cultural pride. racism not included
>typically a unitary form of government, if not totalitarian

I think it's fine

>corporate statism
Funnily enough, it sounds pretty close to what commies call "state capitalism" when they describe ex-communist countries like china for example.

I guess it is because from their point of view, there is little difference between corporatism and capitalism. Whereas right wing liberals, libertarians, etc obviously do since they do not view private property as a form of exploitation.

Anything in the red polygon

yeah I watched it the other day on BBC iplayer, might be still there for any bongs who want to see it. The one where they mention Nitro Zeus right?

are you saying that Iran is now top dog in cyber security because of investment following stuxnet? I find that hard to believe; surely they would have needed assistance from nations more capable in this area i.e. russia/china? how could they have overtaken them in such a short period of time?

A hateful right-wing ideology that oppresses women, minorities, LGBT, muslims and immigrants

>because this is by definition communism
that's not communism at all, that's (at best) the definition of the "benevolent" socialist dictatorship that is supposed to be the previous stage to communism, which is stateless.

It is pretty funny. By most basic definitions China and Vietnam would be considered fascist

A single party government dictatorship that embodies the interests and sets the moral framework of its nationals
Read the 25 tenets of NatSoc

The marriage between the state and a corporation

Bing Bing Bing

They're essentially walking that thin line between french dirigism and literal fascism, and therefore they can keep getting away with it as long as they don't accumulate too many UNHR violations too quickly.

Can't last forever though as that middle class keeps growing and won't be able to be incorporated indefinitely into their corporate framework. Something is gonna have to give.

Most colloquial usage of the term is just synonymous with any sort of anti-intellectual, anti-free speech thuggery, regardless of whether it comes from the left or the right. Seems the left has a monopoly on it at the moment though.

Government controls everything.

>I want to see what the people of Sup Forums define fascism as.
No need, just read Mussolini.

Communists trying to out commie the commies. (Really it's what would be communist countries always turn into).

>A. James Gregor - Mussolini's Intellectuals
press.princeton.edu/chapters/s7870.html

>socialism is right-wing

Just take a look at Caesars political platform if you want an idea
All fascist governments have tried to model themselves after Caesar

Nationalism
Protectionist economics with the goal of becoming self sufficient
Land reform
One party state to quickly and effectively meet the challenges of a war or economic crisis
Great importance placed on religion and its purpose to serve the best interests of the nation
National pride

>Communism
>a globalist totalitarian government.
fixed

They're everyone who disagrees with me, who I want to BASH IN THE FACE.

BASH

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cause Iran is not 3rd world tier country that the shills have been trying to make people think lately. Only rural Iran is plagued with savage Saudi Islam. The cities are far more sophisticated unlike vise versa here in the US.

It is possible that Russia helped but I doubt it since the Iranians started retaliating against the US back in 2013 and 2014. Russians and Iranians did not really become allies until 2016 when the Russians got involved in Syria.

I would have to say that the Iranians united as one and postponed nuclear technology (since everyone was putting sanctions on them) and invested in cyber security, kinda of like how Hitler or FDR rose their nation out of a deep depression.

>hitler
>fascist
lol

are you trying to tell me Communism does not call for the state to control the economy, industry, wages, prices, available jobs, etc

Fascism was started by the Italian Nationalists. It refers to a Fasces which is a bundle of wooden rods an old Etruscan then Roman symbol of the power of the state. When an axe was inserted into the Fasces, it meant that it the government was a under a tyranny and could kill you as punishment. When the axe was not inserted, you could merely be beaten instead. So fascism is a form of tyranny where the state can legally kill a citizen. So if your society has capital punishment or abortion it is fascism by definition.

or

hurr durr anyone who disagress with muh social justus

the soviet unions

Facism is the silencing of the free market of ideas.

user...

Fascism: The final solution

The savior of our nation and race

bringing back the golden era

On the dictionary wanted by mussolini when he striped away all foreign words, curated by DeFelice, when one looked at "fascismo" it said "see Italia". When one looked at "Italia" it said "see fascismo".

Not even jocking, 100% true

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Working together to build greater strength, for if we do not work together we are weak and break.

pilums can be used as a spear, true they're main use is to discard the opponents shield. But is still a tool that can function as a spear, and the picture is based on a real roman formation.

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Here's a book about it, that mentions about it somewhere in the book.

Google changed their definition recently to fit their anti-right agenda

>Nationalism
This is woefully wrong. You mean imperialism. The two caesars, julius and augustus, are the western embodiment of that political doctrine.

Nationalism is the evolution of feudalism. Which in return is the evolution of imperialism.

>Protectionist economics with the goal of becoming self sufficient
Can't believe in autarky if you indulge in foreign trade and expansionism.

>Great importance placed on religion and its purpose to serve the best interests of the nation
Julius didn't push that notion particularly. The religious rituals he partook in where 100% traditional and customary to the political office roles he took on. It's Augustus who centralized religion around him and took only solely the function of maximus pontifex.

>Land reform
>One party state to quickly and effectively meet the challenges of a war or economic crisis
>National pride
Meh, close enough. Romans only really had two parties, the populares (the Populists) and the optimates (the Traditionalists). Guess which one Caesar belonged to. I'd also point out the romans had shitloads of assemblies (which could hold considerable influence) as well, and often people forget that the senate was only a tiny (if powerful) segment of the roman political apparatus. That's why to declare yourself dictator in Rome was such a big deal surrounded by religious folklore and rites. MUH MAIORUM

>mods deleting catholic, fascist, and anti-porn threads
>leaving all the communist antifa shit up

What can we fucking do about these useless shitters
Why are they doing this? Have the mods been changed?

Why WE WANT
For the political problem
- Universal suffrage in the regional list ballot, with proportional representation, voting and eligibility for women
-The minimum age for voters lowered to 18; one for the deputies lowered to 25 years
-The abolition of the Senate
-The convening of a National Assembly for a term of three years, whose first task is to determine the form of the state constitution
-The formation of National Councils technical labor, industry, transport, social hygiene, communications etc. elected by the professional community or craft, with legislative powers, and with the right to elect a Commissioner General with the Minister powers

For the social problem
WE WANT
-The calls for enactment of a State law that enshrines for all workers the legal day of eight hours of work
-The minimum pay
-The participation of workers' representatives to the technical operation of the industry
-The award to the same proletarian organizations (which are technically and morally worthy) of the management of industries or public services
-The rapid and complete arrangement of railway workers and all transport industries
-A necessary modification of the draft law on the invalidity insurance and old age, lowering the age limit, currently proposed at 65, 55 years

For the military problem
WE WANT
-The establishment of a national militia with short education services and exclusively defensive
-The nationalization of all factories Weapons and explosives
-A national foreign policies aimed at enhancing competition in peaceful civilization, the Italian nation in the world

For the financial problem
WE WANT
-A strong extraordinary tax progressive, the capital, which has the true form PARTIAL Expropriation of all wealth
-The seizure of all assets of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the Episcopal canteens, which are a huge liability for the nation, and a privileged few
-The review of all war supplies contracts, and the seizure of 85% of the profits of war

>>Nationalism
>This is woefully wrong. You mean imperialism. The two caesars, julius and augustus, are the western embodiment of that political doctrine.
>Nationalism is the evolution of feudalism. Which in return is the evolution of imperialism.

Firstly Caesar wasnt imperialist, Augustus was.
But the ideologies are very tomato tomatoe stop being a pedantic dickweed.

>>Protectionist economics with the goal of becoming self sufficient
>Can't believe in autarky if you indulge in foreign trade and expansionism.
All trade occured within borders or with vassals.
>expansionism
>not fascist
>what is Nazi Germany

>>Great importance placed on religion and its purpose to serve the best interests of the nation
>Julius didn't push that notion particularly. The religious rituals he partook in where 100% traditional and customary to the political office roles he took on. It's Augustus who centralized religion around him and took only solely the function of maximus pontifex.

Julius Caesar was the Pontifex Maximus, the youngest ever in fact. He comissioned many temples and religious bukldings in his short reign. Regarded himself as a descendent of Venus, and worsipped Fortuna.

I mean Mussolini and Hitler were both major Caesar LARPers

Fascism is the ultimate iron fist. No one breaths without the state knowing.

wait...

Thats Communism friend

people I disagree with and want to punch

Whatever the Libtards say. Bahhh bah sheep.

Never gets old

idiot.