The Holocaust

The Holocaust.

Prove to me that it either happened or didn't.

Only verifiable information and well thpught out arguments warrant a response and further disscussion.

Shitposters go to Sup Forums pls.

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youtube.com/watch?v=owOZDWdPadA
takimag.com/article/denial_is_dead_david_cole/print
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
twitter.com/AnonBabble

What would have happened if Hitler had ordered all the Jews to be rounded up and shot? Would anyone have cared? What was the point of hundreds of camps wasting manpower, resources and money to keep an eye on a bunch of Jews?

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The Jews may be dodgy but no camp guard or any high ranking official in the Reich has ever come forward even decades after the war and declared that the Holocaust is a farce. Every members of this SS and the Nazi party went to their deathbeds all saying that it did happen.

But you must understand, the Jews at this time were an incredibly powerful force. The Final Solution was only put into place when the Nazi leadership realised they would lose the war. Perhaps they were attempting to spare future generations from a Jewish stranglehold by getting their hands dirty in their final years.

The world Almanac hadn't updated by 1948 and was using estimations of population growth without factoring in war casualties. Post war estimates are only made for the first time in the 1949 version

Well, all the actual Nazis said it happened. I see it this way, if you hate Jews then you would be celebrating the holocaust, not denying it. By denying it, you acknowledge it was a bad thing thus acknowledge kill Jews is a bad thing, thus making your antisemitism a mute point. If you don't hate Jews, you have no reason to deny it.

Also the mountainous levels of evidence such as documentation and actual concentration camps, as well as Nazi war criminals admitting willfully that this happened.

Simply put,
6 million jews did die, but not from gas chambers, from disease and starvation. We knew this at the time but over time those who cared a lot about the holocaust (those who were involved directly) continuously spammed GAS CHAMBERS GAS CHAMBERS GAS CHAMBERS and because most people don't give a fuck (rightly so) but don't want to seem edgy, they just went along with the GAS CHAMBERS spam more and more until everything was GAS CHAMBERS. These GAS CHAMBER spammers are why we hate Nazis, hate Russians, hate white people, hate hate hate everything. Were it not for beta-ass liberals trying so hard to not hurt people's fee fees, people wouldn't have gotten away with being so god damn hateful and making discussion impossible in the modern day. Weak minded people tend to side with those who yell loudest and cry hardest, and over time this has just created a giant group of crybaby screamers who actually don't care (what we call virtue signaling).

>In the run up to WW2, Jews were rounded up and put in camps for being a subversive element
>The rounded up Jews were made to carry out forced labour just like all POWs
>As the war progressed the allies destroyed Germany's infrastructure causing famine, shortage of medicine and poor sanitation
>Some of them get mass murdered by the SS under the orders of Himmler, not Hitler
>This was done on the Eastern Front, post D-Day and was done by machine gunning them into pits
>About half a million Jews die in total, through a combination of disease, starvation and murder
>After the war there is a huge propaganda / media campaign that becomes what we now call The Holocaust® which is about 90% bullshit in order to create the State of Israel and allow Jews to keep Jewing
Congrats, you now know what happened.

Honestly almost all holocaust denial material is just starting from false premises.

For example that image conveniently uses the edition just before the 1949 edition that was the first to actually include postwar numbers where the world jewish population drops by 4.4 million.

Just google "world almanac holocaust" or whatever the related search term and research yourself.

It's also pretty funny that originally holocaust revisionists were just saying the numbers were most likely over estimated and the Nazis didn't start out with a plan to exterminate the jews (which seems to be true from efforts to relocate them elsewhere, although there was a definite plan to exterminate slavs but who cares about them). But jews went mental and started using the term holocaust denial, then edgy retards hear that term and honestly think the whole thing didn't happen, you are basically the ridiculous strawmen the jews want you to be.

This guy gets it.
The gas chambers are debatable and there is some evidence to suggest Jews were killed with Zyklon B. Regardless, their was an effort to systematically kill Jews and this shouldn't be something to be ashamed of necessarily when they were trying to destroy Germany.

>pic related: einsatzgruppen preliminary records of executions on the Eastern front. Jews are specifically listed with roughly 300,000 killed.

What did happen: jews being shipped in trains, jews being put in camps, jews being forced to work, jews dying of famine and disease in camps. What didn't happen: gassing, death games, jew soap, jew lamps.

Here we go boys.

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youtube.com/watch?v=owOZDWdPadA

The truth doesn't fear investigation.

After listening to revisionists, deniers and mainstream I strongly believe the following to be the truth.

1. Millions of jews did die
2. Auschwitz was not a death camp
3. There were death camps
4. Hitler didn't make the order and did not know. It was probably Himmler.

relevant: takimag.com/article/denial_is_dead_david_cole/print

>It's also pretty funny that originally holocaust revisionists were just saying the numbers were most likely over estimated and the Nazis didn't start out with a plan to exterminate the jews (which seems to be true from efforts to relocate them elsewhere, although there was a definite plan to exterminate slavs but who cares about them). But jews went mental and started using the term holocaust denial, then edgy retards hear that term and honestly think the whole thing didn't happen, you are basically the ridiculous strawmen the jews want you to be.
This paki is right. There obviously wasn't a plan of extermination from the get go. A lot of people were sent into camps to serve as labor force. Therefore killing potential manpower would be counterproductive for their efforts to win the war. I'm sure a whole lot of people were mistreated and killed, especially since the eastern front started falling. I guess it became more important to send supplies (like food and medicine) to the fronts than into work camps. This alone must have caused a shitload of deaths. I also guess the same thing happened with the soviets and their camps. When it was clear the war was going to be lost I'm sure there was only minimal supplies and care being sent into the camps. And the camps had to handle the dwindling population somehow. This must be the basis for the claims of extermination.

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>carrying about the holocaust that the nazis never committed but not caring about the largest genocide in history committed by jews

let me ask you this even though >one post by this id
if hitler wanted to kill every single jew in the world, why would he pay them to leave and pay to have them resettled at a great cost to live in Palestine? the Nazis spent their money liberally to resettle jews, why would they do that if they wanted to kill them. wouldnt it make more sence to keep them close to hunt down and kill later instead of sending them thousands of miles away paying for everything they do? thats not something a genocidal maniac would do if he wanted to exterminate a race from earth.

First time I ever heard of him wanting to do that. Source.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Auschwitz is the largest concentration camp (not death camp, it has been classified as a concentration camp where NO mass killings took place). The current (((facts))) state over a million (1.1 mill) Jews died here, but it was stated to be an irrefutable fact that 4.4 million jews died there and was fact up until 1993 when the KGB files were released. Over 3 million jews disappeared from the death total, yet 6 million remains the total.

This should be enough to refute the kill count and make you question just how many could be killed at the significantly smaller concentration camps throughout Germany and Poland.

The next thing you should look into how many Jews survived (over a million are registered survivors of concentration camps from Jewish agencies and over 4.5 million applied for reparations from Germany).

Compare this to the total Jews in Europe at the time - between 9 and 12 million depending on what stats you want to use. Only 214,000 jews lived in Germany on the eve of WW2. Occupied territories could have only approximately 2.5 million Jews in total if none fled. How is it possible to kill 6 million people with only a fraction of that in the actual territories that held them? Thats also a max number with none fleeing. Allies have records of 10s of thousands coming by truck and train to allied camps for refugees every single day for months on end.

Your definition of holocaust will be the only factor in determining if it happened or not. Jews were put in camp. Between 1 and 2 million. Hundreds of thousands died from conditions, famine, disease, old age and executions. Is this the same as 6 million exterminated in a genetic cleansing deemed a holocaust? No. Is it still a holocaust in your eyes?

They both had common interest,the zip it's wanted the Jews to go to Palestine to culturally enrich it and tip the population balance and the germans wanted them fucking raus,they did colaborate,until the brit bongs told them not more joos allowed.
Even later there were plans to relocate them in madagascar.
I have the theory the holocaust if it happened happened due to the pressure of the war not the will to exterminate them simply to remove them and since war started they couldn't work with finesse

This

It was a war of ideologies and that's why they spent that much money to write the history of the war and hide many important facts.
The occultists/secret socities were the main forces in the war and the majority of the money of the allies/soviets came from jews aswell

Basically germany just wanted to live in isolation with their own race, but the occultists used mercenaries to start the war and spy on its people.

The occultists were the main force dragging us into the war and the 'night of the long knives' cut the influence of our middle class while the gestapo spied on us to make resistance almost impossible.

To the death camps:
They were real and the ones working there had the choice to keep it a secret and go with the flow or vanish.
Yet there've been less jewish deaths than told in history books - the KGB files are kind of a trustworthy source i reckon

The zionists (phone)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

They also wanted to move them to madagascar to get them out of Germany. Documented proof they werent trying to exterminate them, but trying to find a relatively peaceful alternative. The sheer cost and scale of such a plan was attempted yet they are painted as trying to exterminate them.

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I need to add that jews had very much influence, integrated the soviet communism to exploit us and were racemixing with us, which was a no-go for their purity-goal

No location investigated by nonsoviet forces turned out to be a death camp
every location investigated by the Bolsheviks turned out to be a death camp
no mass grave has been scientifically verified
documents do not 11 million bodies make

>11 million

Please stop using that number. jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

Only 500,000 gentiles died in the holocaust. ((((6 million)))) Jews is 100% factual though.

t. Jews that made up the numbers and got russled by Trump not specifically mentioning Jews in his holocaust speech

It did happen. But the numbers we're fudged. Hardly 8 million. Most estimates have it at about 100,000 killed, mostly due to camp conditions, not actual extermination.

see this picture? one is supposedly taken from the inside of Auschwitz, the other is from my home state of Ohio Dresden train wreck in 1912. can you take a guess which one it really is?

most deaths were caused by typhus spread from rats, bodys were burned to keep rats from eating them and spreading diseases