Why is it so wrong for Trump to say that America isn't so innocent?

Why is it so wrong for Trump to say that America isn't so innocent?

Isn't it factually correct?

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The funny thing is how the left is always talking about how evil America is, but when Trump brings it up suddenly he's horrible.

While I agree with his statement, I feel he should not have said it in the way he did.

no tone police pls.

Trump is able to speak to 'conservative' or 'red' america, he can speak truth they otherwise will not be able to hear. He is breaking the conditioning, so to speak.

He is breaking though decades of bullshit and dragging all of us out of the cab

*out of the cave and into the light of the real world.

Because the fact america has fucked over people and nations doesn't mean others should get a free pass to do it

Trump is a piece of shit crook who wants to be play le politics thug like putin, it's not in his best interests to criticize him or avoid that behavior himself

That's why he's defending retarded behavior with more retarded behaviot

Only if you're a liberal """"speaking to power"""

All of these thing he say will be brought back to the light when everything gets revealed. Obama / Clinton funding and supporting ISIS ISIL....Pizzagate.

His statement will make more sense once arrests start happening. Then he can say "I told you they are no so innocent"

Everything Trump says or does, is well planned. Strategically. Just like sending Tusli Gabbard and get her interviewed on CNN about "there are no rebels in Syria" ...

Everything matters. When are you guys going to realize that?

Not so much tone police, I just feel that the President of the United States should not have painted it in such a way. I just had 8 years of an unpatriotic piece of shit i guess is what I'm saying. And while I think I was something it needed to be said I just think it was a bit too broad.

America should aspire to be the good guys. The left may complain that we often fail, but Trump doesn't even want to be one of the good guys.

>Iran does something bad
>WE NEED TO GET TOUGH. IRAN YOU ARE ON NOTICE! WE WILL INVADE YOU
>Russia does something bad
>AMERICA ISN'T SO INNOCENT!

He says "America First" but he's clearly putting Russia first.

Wall soon. I hope Mexico gets range banned.

There are no such things as "good guys" user. Not in today's world at least.

Someone not liking something someone says because of how it's delivered gets me pretty agitated. It kind of shows me that while you agree, you're willing to let your feelings get in the way of facts and I think that's pretty unhelpful.

But maybe I'm just projecting. What way should he have painted it? Aren't you glad there's a little bit of 'honesty' (relative term to a politician) in your politics today?

Many of the normies actually believe the political mythology. Yes, people are actually that naïve. Others will to believe that the US is beyond reproach and will ignore/resist any evidence to the contrary.

>good guys

are you twelve?

mommy i wanna be an astronaut when i grow up


lel

I suppose you are right about there being honesty. He said what needed to be said.

Gotta give Trump credit for that line even though I'm a filthy commie fighting for NEET freedom.

Only Conservatives seriously believe that America has never done any wrong.

US built an image around themselves that we're so great, we're numba 1, we should police the entire world.

Yet time after time its proven to be otherwise. Trump just pulled the blanket from over our eyes. US is failing. Sure we're richest country, but we're one the fattest, one the most overworked, least healthy, and dumbest of the developed world. We spend so much money & effort to police the world, that other countries gets to use their money to improve themselves. While we pull the wool over our eyes, they're trying to knock US down.

US has been taken advantaged of, and its time to put a break on that. Time to let the world deal with itself for a bit, while we clean ourselves off.

Isolationism isn't the same as it was during WWI. However we can't fall into the pittap of globalism which is built on our backs, while rest the world enjoys the benefits of our labor.

China frequently manipulates their currency, puts out false data, encourages corporate & military espionage. They steal our technology, but we handed them all our factories.

Europe is self imploding. The EU has reached a critical stage and aims to take Western Europe with it. They open their borders to Muslims who repay their kindness by raping, killing, and stealing. Multiculturalism is the new meme that Europe has been forced to swallow by the globalist running the EU.

Brexit was first sign that things could become better. Trump being elected was the second sign. If Le Penn can pull off an upset victory in France, it would give a major shift to the nationalism spectrum.

China is banking on US backing off from their enroachment into S. China Sea. Obama did, but Trump isn't playing with the same deck. He's pulling his own deck, which has all globalist & leftist reeeing in terror as he's not playing with the hands tied behind the back cards that Obama was using.

Trump just red pilled people. They're waking up.

It is. The media and the left relies on the populace living in a fantasy land.

This.

There are only better and worse guys, not good and bad guys.

Mature people should already realize this and not be phased at all by Trump's statement.

Yes, and the left would agree with him if he wasn't a republican. It doesn't matter what he says, they will always find a way to disagree with it.

pobodys nerfect.

Also, lets not pretend he's not a professional provocateur as well.

>Banned because of Sup Forumstard hurt feefees when hearing bad things about their orangecuck dog emperor

Wouldn't surprise me in the least considering how easily the JIDF and trump turned this board into a kike loving echo chamber

Do you have anything to say about the matter at hand? Why is defending a thug like Putin acceptable under those circumstances?

...

He really wanted to call out the Clintons after O'Reilly pressed him on it, but he bit his tongue. For now.

I Watching the news rattle on about it today and not one mouthpiece could admit that America was anything other than deserving of saintly hood.

It's one of the partisan divides in this country. The right acts like everything we've ever done was justified and edict from God, while the left overplays every flaw as if we're as bad as north Korea.

America isn't perfect, but I still love her.

Another thing. This makes me think Trump knows something big is coming. Like, he could allow himself to be a massive hypocrite.

I get what you're saying, and I somewhat agree. instead of "Do you think America is so innocent", he could have slammed American politicians and it would have been perfect.

White democrats are starting to realize that their own anti white bullshit is beong directed at them. Eventually they will leave the democratic party.

I dont think you all realize just how much we've won

Sand niggers vs commie haters

No goy hes tough against iran because he supports israeli nationalism, not zionism.

Liberals have a natural hatred of truth. You see it everywhere. They believe that you should lie, you should say "what should be" as in blacks are equal, drugs are fine, degenerate sex is fine, no families is fine, destroying culture is fine, etc etc.

Lying is their natural instinctive behavior, so when a true Alpha like Trump comes in and starts unapologetically saying uncomfortable truths, they get extremely ass-triggered and need to consult with their "comrades" about how to solve the cognitive dissonance.

It's all politics, and some words. means nothing. trump says anything our does anything. The other side pretends they are shocked and appalled. repeat tomorrow.

he's not a conventional president and that's what i love about him.

Can you imagine if Obama had said this?

He would be eaten alive.

did the wall make you that butthurt? lm ao

You're supposed to deny any and all of America's wrongdoings and if the incident is undeniable you write it off as an honest mistake since the missile strike was with good intentions.

He sent a JSOC team to kill an 8 year old a week ago. Maybe it was on his mind.

Don't you have something to pay for?

Trump is only just getting redpilled about MKULTRA and the cartel cooperation and Larry King and involuntary injections like the guatemalan syphilis study and the political dissidents in guantanamo and he's getting depressed about it

Its all part of the left right cycle until god forgives our sins. Humans are a cursed race so until we reach enlightenment we will never come together in the middle.

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Liberal here. This might be the first thing Trump has said that I agree with, to be honest family.

the pollution man, the birds can't breath.

Lol the look on Bill O'Reilly's face as he said that was priceless!

This makes me feel like Trump will be the best candidate ever. He's not Democrat or Republican, he's an independent who knows how to play the game, but is candid when confronting both radical SJWs and the Reagan cocksucking neocons.

Your in the same house why don't you come down here and fucking stop me? I just heard you swear from down stairs, you don't want these people to have a chance? You been on here for years as well, come up the fucking steps and stop me.

Just another example of how Trump is the man for his time and place.

If the entire media were not so fucking bias all of the people would be on board even the leftists.

>Trump is a piece of shit crook

No paco, you are just projecting.

Does anyone honestly believe that Trump ISN'T a crook? He's already been elected so it's okay to answer honestly. Put the bullshit aside.

There is no reason what so ever other then leftist ideology that would indicate Trump is a crook.

Let me guess you faggots think he obtained the money unfairly?

No, chances are he's not innocent.
But he's the best non-innocent america could have chosen.

>Trump talks about the great things our country did
>Left: American jingoism is ridiculous and stupid!
>Trump talks about bad things America has done
>Left: WHAT THE HELL HE HATES AMERICA???

Never forget the sacrifice good intended public servants make so we can live secure lives even if you hate them for it.

Just look at FBI director Comeys expression and body language when he had to lie to cover up truths in order to protect our national security during the Obama administration.

Look at Trumps demeanor as he is deeply effected as the president making hard decisions for the country is now the norm from his cushy billionaire lifestyle.

Then look at Hillary clinton who laughs with glee at destruction and death. Who i believe is a psychopath. The only sad emotions coming out from losing the election, pathetic.

America never aspired to be the good guys dipshit. Even Obama's apology tour was a veiled power grab.

The funny thing is how the right is always talking about how America DINDUNUFFIN, but when Trump brings it up suddenly he's right.

Yup.

I'm as red pilled as they come but I agree with him. Drone program, Libya no fly policy, Iraq, etc. We've killed more people than Russia. To deny it and call out Putin is hypocritical, and Trump ain't a hypocrite; that's why the libtards can't stand him.

He's trying to strike a grand bargain with Russia, shit talking them won't give him any leverage and will simply cause them to move to China's table. Neocucks like O'Reilly want that so they keep trying to get him to shit talk Russia.

As if the US establishment calling Putin a rapist pedophile vampire mass murderer genocidal mysogynist transislamophobe for the last 16 years made one single dent in him.

Your in the same house why don't you come down here and fucking stop me? I just heard you swear from down stairs, you don't want these people to have a chance? You been on here for years as well, come up the fucking steps and stop me.

>Trump doesn't even want
how could your puny mind gauge even one of Trump's thoughts?

>America never aspired to be the good guys dipshit

We always have. Nothing wrong with pragmatic patriotism.

In order to Make America Great Again you have to acknowledge it's current flaws

U.S. is one of the dirtiest countries around
> Iraq war
> Afghan war parts one and two
> lybia
> Iran
> Syria
> hacking dozens of other countries for Intel
> muh muh USA is #1

Cuck

Our cold war propaganda says otherwise

Step 1. don't take any shitskins in
step 2. break away all trade deals and deal with countries on a one on one basis. A step towards isolationism while getting benefit for our country and keeping up foreign relations
step 3 take all the resources a have for refugees and house the homeless. healthcare for the vets and money for the working poor

He represents the total death of decorum and diplomacy. His "bull in a China shop" method of assuming his role as the leader of the free world has destroyed all of the good things about the presidency and reinforced all of the bad ones. He is an unwelcome player on the world court and a buffoon with nuclear weapons.
Saying that we're not innocent without humility and a plan to make us fair and accountable implies that he wants to make war. Never a good look on a president.

Yeah in the same way Nazis/Soviets/every country framed their shit as we're le good guys saving the downtrodden workers of the world/aryan race/whatever the fuck else. You always repackage everything in noble intentions so the plebs buy it.

We opt to massacre people whenever we can get away with it, just like everyone who has the opportunity.

It might very well be the most progressive thing said by a US president, no joke. Kind of hilarious Trump slips this bomb into the interview while Obama is hailed as some sort of saint for saying America makes mistakes sometimes.

If literally any other politician said that Sup Forums and the rest of the right would be calling for them to hang. It was unpatriotic and I really cannot understand his need to defend Russia at every turn but is taking hard stances on everyone else.

I was promised a tough president but this one country he will not talk ill of.

He always defends every murderer, just not the brown ones

It is one thing to bring up "This was bad" but it is another thing to say we're doing bad things so we should let others do the same. If what we did was bad but was for the greater good idgaf, but legitimizing shit policy because Putin or Assad glassed a city is just lazy politics and isn't WINNING!

He needs Russia in the war on terror/anti China maneuvers. It would be cucked as hell for him to randomly start shit talking Russia after a bunch of Ukrainians decided to shell another bunch of Ukrainians and got their asses kicked by the latter; simply because the media wants him to. Might as well shit talk Brazil.

Nope.

this.
>we do bad but for the greater good argument
t. high school senior

kek nice pasta

Care to refute or stop projecting? Coup in Chile was a prime example. You want to be like Trump? Learn how to sell things to people who don't want to buy it: the Dems.

Then why are you talking like a cuck?

Obama has killed a us citizen without trial and children. Not in the abstract "he was commander in chief when it happened", but rather was giving direct orders to JSOC when it happened. The left really, really doesn't like this.

What does Russia have to offer us besides rusty firepower and oil?

Couldn't we buddy up with China instead and be anti-Russia?

I didn't say anything about my girlfriend getting fucked.

Care to explain what the fuck you're talking about?

Hillary bragged and laughed about killing Gaddafi.

Nations are supposed to act in their own self interest. The US has just been doing it all under the guise of some higher calling or humanitarianism because in a democratic republic, people won't support going to war just to gain resources and territory.

I think our great grandparents and maybe even grandparents(depending on your age) knew it was a sham on some semi-concious level but understood it was necessary to build a great nation. Starting around the time of the boomers though people believed it... the whole line about preserving freedom and spreading democracy.

Now we're here and people are completely retarded when it comes to international relations. The right wants to just blow every unfriendly nation up even when it does us more harm than good and the left just wants to make us cucks.

When Trump says America has done bad things, he means the Globalists who rule both Democrats and Republicans have done bad things.

It means Trump has no allegiance to them.
It's why they fear him and attack him, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Except unlike the Nazis/Soviets/etc, we actually are the leaders of the world from a technologically innovative as well cultural stanpoint. No other country has been able to replicate what we've done on the scale we've done.

We also provide tons of foreign aid and help services to various countries across the world that would've died or remained third-world countries without our intervention. We do more good than we do harm.

>Saying that we're not innocent without humility and a plan to make us fair and accountable implies that he wants to make war.

Wouldn't it imply the opposite? Acknowledging US's mistakes and wanting to avoid them? It's why he keeps bringing up his opposition to the Iraq War.

That's probably a sore leftist.

When Trump the candidate says such a thing, it has less credibility.
But the it's Trump the president who has insight in what's going one who admits to some wrongdoings, it has a heck of a lot of credibility.

Whenever Trump gains credibility, the left gets asshurt.
They're in the middle of a campaign to cury his credibility.

>cury
*bury

Nothing wrong with him saying that at all. As a matter of fact, it is the most truthful thing he said during the entire interview with O'Reilly. It obviously took a lot of people by surprise as Fox news has been trying to hammer the point that Obama has been implying this for years without overtly expressing it. For those assuming that this could be construed as virtue signaling you are, in the words of the famous man himself, WRONG. His point was not at all one of "moral equivalency", but rather an affirmation of the central tenet and logic underlying all actions undertaken by states within the international system, namely that relations, be they grounded in sentiments of amity or enmity, are always strategic in nature and never rooted in moral principles.

Mkay schlomo, next time you want to rattle your saber maybe do it in less hostile territory.

Get the fuck over yourself. We are literally watching americans (paid or not) greviously wounding other americans because they are upset about the fact that a coal-burning faggot wants to talk about his most recent twitter war. He didn't call the country shit, he said we aren't perfect. Only morons think this country is perfect and only paid shills are outraged that he doesn't say it is.

This, the US-Russia axis is literally the lynch-pin to obtaining a future for the western world. Brazil a shit tho

Why the fuck would we want to team up with those lying thieving corrupt fucks? Their country is literally India tier garbage and they are completely incapable of generating anything new, just cheap knockoff versions of shit that other people spent billions developing.

Russia on the other hand has world-class academic institutions, culture that isn't completely alien to ours, and they aren't a bunch of fucking shit skins.

>Your
>Not You're
Leaf education

Yes exactly. O'Reilly got stumped and quickly moved to another subject.
The Globalists is shitting the bed at the moment, they realise they can't control him so

There is a few other Fox News people who seem to be on Trump's side though, like Tucker.
Fox News is in a bit of an interesting dilemma-
On one hand, they don't like his anti-Globalist policy.
On the other hand, they will die as a TV station if they lose the republican voters as their viewer base.

A rock and a hard place.