Is fascism a natural progresion from libertarianism?

Is fascism a natural progresion from libertarianism?

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"Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of the financial capital... Fascism is neither the government beyond classes nor the government of the petty bourgeois or the lumpen-proletariat over the financial capital. Fascism is the government of the financial capital itself. It is an organized massacre of the working class and the revolutionary slice of peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in its foreign policy is the most brutal kind of chauvinism, which cultivates zoological hatred against other peoples."

t. Chaim Mordechai

Protect Yourself > Protect your Family > Protect your neighbors > Protect your city > Protect your nation.

russians are no better than jews. they're asiatic steppe people.

Communists are perpetually breaking the NAP on everybody everywhere

it's a natural progression for someone that wants to syphon money from gullible idiots

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yes. fascism is the final redpill. It's the only logical conclusion of non-marxism. There is only those two endpoints. Either you go all the way left or all the way right.

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The descriptions of what the Communists did to kollacks is like this but actual fascists talked about international peace and cooperation. Not chauvanism.

>about international peace and cooperation
pic rel
>The descriptions of what the Communists did to kollacks is like this
seems you have no idea what happened to them and why

pretty much, once libertarians realize if given the opportunity to do anything, most on the left will try to destroy everyone.

You got one of those in English, Slavbro?

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Not exactly, but in our political climate I'd say it would be.

Considering our elite and their useful idiots are social Marxist, the natural reaction is Fascism paired with National Socialism.

Thanks.

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Nu-Sup Forums does not lead one to fascism, rather it leads one to cancer. Nu-Sup Forums leads to nothing that is good, it is just cancer.

I'm on my mobile, so I'll be brief.

Fascism is not the natural progression from libertarianism.

Hayek, Hoppe, Mises, Rothbard, and Moly never self-identified as fascists and certainly never espoused ideals found within fascism. The reason Hoppe moved toward "Physical Removal" and Rothbard said we should "unleash the police" and Moly is now saying that the time for arguments is over is beacsue there is a group of people who are not only willing, but eager to deprive myself and my fellow citizens of life, liberty, and property. These people are leftists. And it is clear that they are unwilling to change positions they have taken even though these positions can be debunked using facts, evidence, and reason. After all, if they were reasonable people, then hey probably wouldn't be leftists. It's like Rothbard said:

"If every man has the absolute right to his justly-held property it then follows that he has the right to keep that property — to defend it by violence against violent invasion..."

KEK confirms.

Most sane libertarians are also conservative. Fascism has nothing to do with it.

Well, thats the thing, "sane" people. Those are rare

Yes. When everyone is equally free, there are soon some who are more free then everyone.

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This. We have been invaded.

Fascism is against unrestrained liberalism as well as marxism. So no i dont think its a logical progression. However it could be a centeral party that stands against marxism and liberalism, just replace race with citizenship and it starts looking abit more practical. Conservatives like liberal economics so they prob would not like fascism. The left and right can have fascist influences but really i think its an attempt to go the third way, the middle road. The real problem is modern leaders suck, it really needs a god emperor to pull it off.

So traditionalism

It is natural to grow more "authoritarian" as you get confronted with real world problems instead of idealistic make believe feel good utopias.

The only real Fascist ive read about (not nazis) were very big on international co-operation and brotherhood. A sort of mutual respect agreement between states to prevent conflict. They were also big on workers rights and protecting against cheap labour exploitation.

The Communist persecution of the kollacks was terroristic (loterally red terror) where thr bar was so low for persecution even the poor were murdered. So it was entirely chauvinistic, hatred towards other peoples and reactionary as it was a reaction to assumed wealth.

Fascism and Libertarianism were originally just opposition to Communism. One was serious, the other was a bait & switch. Guess which one!

Guess who's dumb burger here?

>would you rather keep your guns or get your guns taken for getting cucked by the police state

Fascism is what happens when the snek is stepped on

Anyone have the political compass with the before/after red boot steps on purple snake and snake rises into the blue as the boot falls into the green?

Aye, I see it was already here

>i would rather be ruled corporate jews
McKek

No lolbergtardianism is left wing.

Fascism is the polar opposite of lolbertarianism. It rejects every single tenet like the repugnant atomised society, the ridiculous concept of universal human rights, the supremacy of the economy over society, the libertine attitude to social issues, the amoralism etc.

Lolbertardianism must be eradicated it is as bad if not worse than liberalism

Yes. Because libertarianism is inherently anti-hierarchical while also attempting meritocratic.

Thus social Darwinism ensues and new authoritarians eventually will emerge.

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No (You)

This is Libertine natural selection. Without a drug war there'd be even more dopers offing themselves.

Care to explain me this meme? The (you) thing i mean. I fail to see any purpose in denying yous to people.

>No lolbergtardianism is left wing.
>Fascism is the polar opposite of lolbertarianism
is this bait? fascism is big government left wing. libertarianism is right wing small gov

from all the shit thats going on, it seems that civil war is coming to the US

what do we do to prepare
do i even fight? i mean i want to help you guys but im canadian. what the hell am i gonna do?

I remember when lolberturdianism was popular on Sup Forums.

That's disgusting me and my kin want to live in a healthy sustainable decent society. I know it's hard for you to understand coming from a rootless mongrel multi racial society and brainwashed by "rugged individualism" propaganda.

Holy shit how can you be this dumb

Fascism isnt far left though. It's economical stance is somewhat balanced.

Well, we have a good modern example of a fascist state anyway - look to china.

>The (you) thing
theyre troll points dumbass

>Fascism isnt far left though. It's economical stance is somewhat balanced.
>Well, we have a good modern example of a fascist state anyway - look to china.
so china isnt on the left?!! they call themselves communists for gods sake

Yes. Libertarianism is basically a capitalist answer to marxism, so the deeper you go, the more fascist libertarianism gets.

No.
Freedom or death, you collectivist Borg drone scum.
Enjoy hell.

I moved from fascism to libertarianism because I believe that the government is one of the core reason why we're in the present situation.

China isn't communist in any way other than name. It's pretty much a Fascist state capitalist state in every meaningful aspect.

Well whatever really, i dont work on olgino anyway. It's boring to shitpost when it's not voluntary.

They are not communists. Their image is, in part, but they are nationalist like hell. Communist china itself originated as a nationalist clique, just leftwing one.

A good point and a good post.

No the reason is liberalism (in the classical sense). The state is a neutral institution. The state under a fascist leader is good the state under liberal "democracy" is bad.

Yeah I know but I look at things strategically. If we want to win we'll have to break up the big corporate structures in the government and rebuild something afterwards. "Aujourd'hui l'anarchie, demain l'ordre nouveau", as the French say

>Fascism
>Reactionary
Nice try commie rat

Its part of a process which a "liberal" slowly turns to fascist or to be "red pilled".

It starts with the liberal assumption of equality, democracy, and liberation (liberty in the leftist sense). This is your typical blue pilled position.

If you stumble upon libertarianism, then the notion of democracy starts to crumble, as libertarians criticize the system for being mob rule and enabling a growing state over time. They tend to view liberation (leftist "Positive" liberty) as actual liberty (rightist "Negative" liberty). And the last aspect you come to understand is that equality is far and far less realistic and more of a myth that does not coincide with a voluntary society. You come to understand that hierarchy is natural and would be made so in the absence of any state force trying to resist that.

So when you become a right winged libertarian, you then notice that the libertarian party and movement has remained a fringe despite all its effort to 'convert' people with rational arguments and talks. You notice that they will concede to leftist "libertarians" to make a big tent that slowly corrupts your core ideas. You finally realize that because not everyone nor every groups of persons are equal, not everyone can handle freedom. You see libertarianism as mental exercise in voluntary human interactions but fails to address the totality of society or reality. You understand that its soft and you need an ideology that can fight back against modern leftism aka Fascism.

No, libertarianism is more on the left end or is centrist of the spectrum (Tends to stay away from influencing the laws based off of a dogma and let the system go freely, only to step in when things get too out of hand and needs to be corrected).

Fascism is just a reaction to extreme leftist policies influencing society, in other words an extreme counter measure to something already inundated with left thought. So many people call Trump Fascist, so that means he is merely there only because the left created him.