Thoughts on DeVos being accepted?

Listen, I like Trump and winning as much as the next guy, but this lady seems like she's on some new shit. Convince me it'll be okay, Sup Forums.

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DoE will be destroyed, which is the biggest plus I can give

are you an adult who is finished with college? Are your children finished with their schooling or do you plan to not have children? If so, everything will be okay for you.

Anything that results with the Department of Education diminishing in power has my full support.

when china is looking for cheap labor to run their factories, americans may be too stupid. Americans will try to cross the border to mexico... but that wall will keep out all the ameritards looking for a better life.

>Pro state's rights
>Pro-students' rights
>Pro-private schools
>Pro-due process
What's not to like?

Destroying public education and giving all our money to private charter schools is good for the Jews so i'm for it.

Second year college. I won't be balls-deep in debt but I'm just hoping she doesn't do any stupid shit for the next two years.

I'm glad D.vas mother got a new job, she'll get actual hot pockets instead of the generic pizza bites. Fucking neet cunt.

Can't make it any worse than already is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a shill.

This. Its a hellscape of mediocrity and failure. Excellence isn't encouraged enough and failure isn't punished enough.

good luck with the college stuff. i'm hoping she's smarter than she sounded during those hearings and won't go all nuts with the jesus stuff. my boyfriend's 2 little kids aren't the brightest so i'm hoping for the best as well.

its what you voted for, so Idk why you are asking if it will be okay now. seems like its a little too late for that buddy

psh they don't even let them fail now. something needs to change, but i don't think a jesus freak with no educational experience is going to help. shit's bad, but it can get worse.

Crime will rise is public school goes away. It happen in South Korea in the 90's.

>in high school from 2004-2008
>in 2004 there were 8 old teachers who taught one subject (algebra, literature, english etc
>calculus teacher had been teaching since the 80s, would stay after hours with students to help with studies
>english teacher, wrote a short story, had a bookshelf full of classics in his classroom and he knew every one

>by 2008, 6 of them were replace with hip young teachers who coached football and basketball part time so they couldnt give extra help to students
>coach smith would talk about baskeball plays in history class

and this was in a medium sized town in Ohio

THIS is the problem with public education, swapping out inteligent teachers for Coach Jones who coaches basketball and teaches history is his free time is NOT what schools need

eliminating dept of ed is a good idea, free market schools won't help nigs though

user this seems like a very isolated and unique problem to your school disctrict.

what kind of school would help nig nogs?

The DOE was created by Reagan and the Republicans to destroy public education in the first place. They want workers with tiny hands to make shit like 3rd world countries. They resent "Godless" and "Socialist" public schools.

It is not. Schools all around the country hire coaches and also have them teach a class on the side. They also get paid a shit load more than regular teachers. Some of them are good at the subjects they teach, but some fuck around.

also I support DeVos from the sheer amount of pant shitting on the left.

a gulag

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It's almost certainly not. My HS bio, physics, and science teachers were all FT coaches who taught a few classes to cover class size requirements, and this was '00-'04.

Public schools are grossly underfunded and routinely give away important pedagogical positions to the lowest bidder.

DOE literally doesn't matter

>Public schools are grossly underfunded and routinely give away important pedagogical positions to the lowest bidder.
So lets put someone in charge who believes even less in education?

You don't want more individual choice?
No fixing for you.

It's shocking how brain damaged these people have become by teachers unions.

It can do a lot of damage. You see, if you fuck over generations of children and their education they eventually become adults.

find out how many of the senators that voted against her send their kids to public schools. go on, I'll wait

Our education system is already failing, and we didn't have DOE till 1980, we can cope

Why does the left purposefully obfuscate discussions by erecting strawmen to argue against instead of grappling with actual arguments? "Believes in less exucation" is not only a lie, but it is not an argument in and of itself.

We are being raided by Correct the Record.

>Get rid of public schools
>Now the niggers go to your kid's private school on a voucher
Good Job™
You don't have a clue what failure looks like.

If she's making teachers unions lose their fucking minds like this, she can only be good.

She resents public education.

She has minimal power because education is mostly a states issue. additionally she will be enforcing the President's agenda and not her own,

She has been involved in education reform for decades. They have been trashing her knowledge and her policies. It is unfair to critique the first, and the second is mostly irrelevant

>She has minimal power because education is mostly a states issue.
True.
>additionally she will be enforcing the President's agenda and not her own,
Trump has an agenda on education?

Public schools are a tragic joke. She wants to replace them. What's not to like?

What do you replace them with and how would it be better?

Devos is good if she shuts down, or downsides AND moves the Dept. of Education to Grand Rapids, Michigan.

donaldjtrump.com/policies/education

Not to be a jerk, but I'm still amazed that people aren't familiar with this stuff.

The Dept. of Education was created during Carter's administration you fucking retard.

Fair enough, but I'm pretty sure he announced his Secretary of Education pick AFTER I voted on the 8th, and either way, I still would have voted for Trump over Hillary. I don't shift blame; I only hope that I didn't secretly fuck myself.

department of energy is DOE
department of education is ED

How many kids does the DOE educate?

You admit that education is a states issue, then why do we need a bloated DEO?

Please educate yourself, you have no idea what the DOE does.

>Convince me it'll be okay, Sup Forums.
it'll be just fine...

who said anything about sending niggers to schools? niggers can't even read. first we kick the spics out, then we make the niggers do their jobs. and we probably shouldn't even pay the niggers since they are always bitching about slavery and shit so we should give them something to actually bitch about

>Please educate yourself, you have no idea what the DOE does.
I want to DOE disbanded. Fuck the DOE.

What I don't want is a DOE that is meddling with state public education and making it into a shitshow.

massie.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/rep-massie-introduces-bill-to-abolish-federal-department-of-education

>Rep. Massie Introduces Bill to Abolish Federal Department of Education

>Today, Representative Thomas Massie introduced H.R. 899, a bill to abolish the federal Department of Education. The bill, which is one sentence long, states, “The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018.”

>On the day of Betsy DeVos’ scheduled Senate confirmation for Secretary of Education, Massie said, “Neither Congress nor the President, through his appointees, has the constitutional authority to dictate how and what our children must learn."

tfw trump picks someone so hated by everyone that they try to abolish the department in order to prevent her from actually doing anything

if this isn't a calculated Art of the Deal persuasion 36D chess tactic, then i don't know what is anymore

thanks for the anecdotes but that's not proof. that's evidence of your school district being retarded with their money and fucking you over, not broader public school reform or evidence of a larger public school problem surrounding this issue. every public school that hires a coach also has them teach some classes, because they have teaching credentials dummy.

I don't know offhand what she advocates, but the overall concept of "school choice" is that the money allocated to a student in public schools could be used instead to pay tuition at a private school. Teachers' unions react to this like vampires to a crucifix dipped in garlic. Parents, especially poor parents in a neighborhood with bad public schools, tend to like it better.

Trump is pro school choice. That is what he campaigned on. Devos is a proponent of school choice and charter & private schools. It makes her a great choice for the position. I don't know what the hell you were expecting.

Massie is a libertarian-leaning conservative. He would have introduced legislation to abolish the Dept. of Education no matter who the nominee was.

>but the overall concept of "school choice" is that the money allocated to a student in public schools could be used instead to pay tuition at a private school.
It's a scam to put up shit charter schools with lower standards than public schools and it's for-profit. They are playing with your emotions with words like "choice". It's just a way for a private corporation to leech public tax payer funds for personal profit for a few individuals.
>Parents, especially poor parents in a neighborhood with bad public schools, tend to like it better.
Somehow you think the same kids in a different building with less qualified, lower paid "teachers" at a school with lower standards than public education is "better".

One thing liberals are excellent at is opening their pieholes first and loud which is great because it's easier to make a case against them. Here's one for DeVos.

Left is frantically spreading memes and articles stating "unqualified! Why would we want someone running the DoE who NEVER ACTUALLY EVEN WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOL!"

But, they were perfectly fine with Obama's pick, John King Jr. He also attended private boarding school. Bonus point- he was expelled and never even graduated high school. But he got into Harvard anyway and the rest is history.

the problem with education is that as the white population declines you get more hispanics and blacks and they score lower on tests so education will keep declining no matter how much money you put in the system. Its the same reason obesity levels have risen so high since the 1980s too many blacks and hispanics. You want to improve education for starters build a wall and deport the illegals that alone will greatly decrease the education and obesity epidemics.

>my boyfriend's 2 little kids

>It's a scam to put up shit charter schools with lower standards than public schools and it's for-profit

Do you have any evidence of this?

The Lib-Dem-Commies DNC are just pissed off because they'll be losing a lot of the $$$ that's laundered through the teachers unions.

Yes, but would he have done it with a Secretary of Education and President that wouldn't go along with that? Not to mention a heavy Republican controlled Congress? The fact that he did it on the day of DeVos' hearing literally smells of Trump's backroom persuasion.

>has never been to public school
>has never sent her kids to public school
>has never taken student loans
>has never taught in public school
>donated money to republicans
Qualified!

It bypasses the unions and helps to dissolve them which is good. Now to get rid of the federal unions too. They're nothing but a cancer.

In my state "charter schools" don't have certified teachers and the kids aren't required to pass state mandated standardized tests. They take public money and some close down because they are such disasters.

Well, good to hear. I never heard much about Trump's policies on education, but giving states, schools, and more their own rights rather than being owned by another agency like the DOE sounds good to me. Either way, it was worth a vote to annoy the left.

Good point, I hope they abolish the dept. of ed.

confirmation* not hearing sorry

America is fucked is my response.

A new factory opened up and you know what happened? The majority of people that applied literally could not read, write or do basic math at a 9th grade level. In a modern factory where computers are everywhere and you need some basic fucking intelligence, the majority of Americans failed.

The education in America is a complete shitshow and DeVos will drive it further into the ground. Charter and private schools do jack shit to solve the problem except push people towards religious schools with even less focus on proper education.

Trump is the highest priority target for a hit that has ever existed in current history.
OFC he's gonna keep close Betsy DeVos. her brother founded Blackwater for christ's sake.

It should be crystal clear why she was picked.

>In my state "charter schools" don't have certified teachers and the kids aren't required to pass state mandated standardized tests. They take public money and some close down because they are such disasters.

Do you have data on this?

Agreed. All Fed unions should be illegal.

interactive.sun-sentinel.com/charter-schools-unsupervised/investigation.html
Here is one tiny example. People treat charter school money like a cash cow.

Would you send your children to public school if you had the option not to?

The answer is no you would not. If you actually had children you would know. I'd shut the fuck up and sit down while adults talk.

Its worth it. youtu.be/rA5U0wSMnwo

Also, if liberals want a fucking babysitter for the niglet abominations they can fund one themselves.

Why do shills always follow template? Why can't they ever think for themselves?

I read a rumor that Trump has a private army (Blackwater) on stand-by, based on air craft movements from known Blackwater training facilities / barracks locations.

Nice strawman, i went to public school and i would send my kids there.
Now shut the fuck up faggot, youre worse than a shill with your useless side comments.

When did Sup Forums become so cucked that it can't even think for itself

That would be pretty sweet to swell the ICE and Customs task forces with Blackwater contractors to handle all internal illegal deportations. Fucking master stroke if he actually did that. No need to hire all these temporary border patrol agents and internal agents we just run multiple agencies with blackwater to snatch and grab them all including anchor babies and toss them the fuck out.

This seems to be a case of bad execution in that state, not that charters are inherently worse.

Is he the sec. Of education? You act like it can't improved. America is behind almost every 1st world country in every subject.

Private and parochial schools usually have objectively better results than public schools

This

Rip NEA

this, my sister teaches 8th grade and they basically just teach for the test (FCAT)

Taxpayer money goes into public schools -> public-sector teacher's unions collect a portion of that money -> Union bosses give that money to Democrats -> Democrats protect public schools from competition -> Taxpayer money goes into public schools -> ...

The department of education is a money pit that has never had a usefull accomplishment.

>This idiot has no answer for student loan bubble that will burst pretty soon.

Great logic except the massive paper trail that prevents just this from happening.

You fags can pay for my islamic school

A large number of people foolishly took out loans they have no hopes of paying back because the government foolishly mandated those loans must be given.

The only answer is to stop making the problem worse.
Are you claiming the teacher's unions don't give massive donations to the Democrats? Because it looks to me that the NEA is third and the AFT is eighth, and both give nearly all donations to Democrats.

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Objectively wrong.

Data collected from schools (mind you, private schools are not required to publish test scores as well) indicate that there is no significant difference between public and private schools, and in some cases public schools beat private schools.

1. She's smarter than you
2. She wants to destroy the DoE
3. Trump picked her

All is well.

Good for us.. also anything which triggers liberal salt is welcome.

Sup Forums only cares about triggering liberals. They'll sacrifice their conservative values, praise 1% wall Street shills and doners, and betray the the future generations of Americans just say "HAHAHA LIBKEKS BTFO!!!! TRUMP CAN'T STOP WINNING!!!!". Sup Forums you've betrayed your fellow countrymen and placed the future of America in jeopardy. This is honestly some sjw teir shit. Congratulations.

Pretty much the same across the board. Louisiana's charter schools are a huge disaster.

You idiots think throwing tax payer money at private companies is somehow inherently "better". Remember, these are private companies out to make a profit and they want to do it with public tax payer money.

Similar disasters are for-profit, private prisons in America.

I'm also super confused... I don't exactly know my history

>isn't she CIA??
>CIA?
>>her brother started blackwater
>HERBROTHERSTARTEDBLACKWATER
>CIA??

Great, they get rid of it. Don't put the village idiot that resents it in charge to cause more damage.

Pennsylvania's charter and public schools are also a prime example of this.

Is this new pasta from CTR shills?

>They'll sacrifice their conservative values

School choice is a conservative value, retard.

where did science go?

Fucking up the DOE and destroying it are two different things.