Somebody explain to me how the free market will fix the problem, of automation

Somebody explain to me how the free market will fix the problem, of automation

By automating the repairs.

It won't.
We have 3 Options:
>restrict automation by requiring a businesses earning a certain amount to have so many employees
>we devolve into a communist state
>We accept the supremacy of the IT guy.

There's still going to be gathering resources to build machines (management)/repair/operation. Kind of too tired to elaborate, but unless they're full blown synths (becoming a humanitarian issue) then there will be a need for machinists. Plus whatever creative stuff people invent from the improvements in tech.

billions of poor people will no longer be able to breed and the gene pool will correct it self.

only people remaining will be smart enough to have jobs that cannot be automated.

our species will then form a breakaway civilization.

Gl getting people to stop breeding and demanding benefits if they do.

Basic income.

you're a fucking full-blown retard if you think any manual labor can't eventually be fully automated.

you're a fucking half-blown retard if you think any intellectual labor can't eventually be fully automated.

if you think there's some form of human labor that won't someday be both cheaper and more productive when automated, then you're some degree of retarded.

yep! poor people seldom breed! oh wait--

Capitalists, also knows as business owners, seek to earn a profit, which they will use to pay for the machines, laying off large segments of the population. This creates a problem, because a capitalist needs to extract money from the population, which if everyone is unemployed, they won't have. Therefore, when the capitalist cannot earn any more money, because there is literally nothing left to take from the population, the capitalist cannot afford to continue buying machines. This fixes the problem, because eventually the free market prevents a company from being fully autonomous. Does that answer your question?

what is the problem there?

once you automate education and put plebs in debt they stop breeding.

you need to get ppl out of poverty but stuck in lower middle class purgatory.

poverty is more of a limited access to basic resources. automation will solve that.

>Automation

Who is going to code programs for robots? Exactly, you'd need a code monkey like me for upcoming decades.

Give 1% of newly unemployed workforce a job to kill the rest.

Not only would this be cheap, for example, the people who don't want to be dead would work for almost nothing in order to live.

Also no man, no problem

But then you could teach computers to teach themselves how to code

We live in a post-scarcity society but refuse to implement an economic structure to redistribute excess to the masses.

Well, simple:
1. As automation makes things cheaper, cost of living goes down. Thus, people who are put out of work by automation can work for even cheaper (thus outcompeting automation) while maintaining the same standard of living.
2. You avoid dysgenics, since people who can perform no useful function in society wouldn't have the resources to reproduce. Eventually, there would be less people that can't do anything else.

> society consists solely of two completely homogeneous groups of people

welp, looks like we're done here gents. problem solved.

sadly, reality has a bit more complexity than you may have the capacity to understand. although the argument you pitch may have some merit at some basic level, the global economy (or even just one nations economy) is a massively complex machines, with millions/billions of people acting as cogs. even if there's a catastrophic break in the machine (eg: your purposed argument), it takes years -- if not decades -- for the catastrophe to come full-force.

That's retarded. If a job can be automated, it should be. Jobs for the sake of jobs is what killed the USSR

this argument is so fucking dumb. if you really are a programmer, I'd hate to have you work on any of my projects with how short-sited you are. you must be a scrub-tier wordpress chimp or something

sure, someone needs to program the robots. you could even argue that the programmers are the last ones on the automation chopping block. but AI that write a better AI is the HOLY FUCKING GRAIL of automation. that's the fucking singularity that obsoletes humans, and teams around the world are working on building it. programmers aren't immune

and forget about intellectual human labor (even though it's painfully obvious that labor can and will be automated) -- what about all the manual laborers who are getting obsoleted this decade alone? millions of truck divers, millions of factory works, millions of farmers and retailers and clerks and assistants and operators and fucking everything that is chimp-level work? you think there are tens or hundreds of millions of programming jobs for these people? you think these people can even learn to program? you're fucking delusional

Imagine a world where everything is automated, and you either go into non-automated careers(Police, Astronauts, space and deep sea, artistry, etc.) or IT jobs for money.

plebs in debt from an automated education is what we have right now, and they breed like crazy.

>the free market
You do realize that there's no such thing other than in theory?

but millenials are not having children. its working.

someone explain to me how automation is any kind of problem.

yeah, thats a wonderful world to imagine. the actual question at hand, however, is how we get to that world from the current world. society doesn't move quickly or willingly and your ideal world isn't around the next corner just because it's a good idea

We are already on the transition, it might take awhile on a political and job level, but give it time and it will arrive.

what a valueless and empty contribution to the conversation. here's a book you can go read while the adults discuss existential technological threats to contemporary society

300 years ago 90% of all humans were farmers. Imagine if you told them in the future only 2% of people would be farmers, they would wonder "What work could be people do to make a living?" They wouldn't be able to envision a service economy, the tech industry, the boom in professional doctors, engineers, physicists, etc.

A job merely means getting paid to provide value. In a communist economy, your job is determined by bureaucrats, not the needs of other people for you to provide value. When that economy changes faster than the bureaucrats can re-assign labor, the economy collapses. This is a big reason why socialism is unstable and always ends up failing. In a fluid free market you will always have an option to provide value, even if it's not manifestly clear right now. When someone is replaced by a machine this benefits the economy because the machine is adding greater value than the human, therefore there is more value present in the greater economy to exchange for other human services.

thanks you really know me

I wonder if there were scaremongering fags like OP at the dawn of the industrial revolution.

But who pays for the products if there is no one working?

industrial revolution: rural manual laborers moved to cities to become urban manual laborers

computer revolution: urban manual laborers now have a new option of becoming digital manual laborers

automation revolution: human manual labor in any medium becomes more costly and less productive than automated labor. so where do the manual laborers go next?

> they're go into service!
right, because mcdonalds won't install burger kiosks and walmarts wont replace store functions with a bunch of r2d2s (they will)

> there will always be a demand for "human interaction!
yep, and there will always be demand for free range chicken or whatever other niche garbage you can think of. will there be enough demand to create jobs for the hundreds of millions of manual laborers who can't find work? you might want to run the numbers on that

> someone has to program the roburts hurrdurr
sure dude, go ahead and start teaching a classroom of ex-truckers C++ and algorithms. lemme know how that goes.

Butlerian Jihad.
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

there's not some magic "automation" switch that some capitalist will flip and suddenly, "woah, the underclass can't buy anything now!!"... its a gradual shift of wealth from consumers to producers, where producers consolidate more and more while consumers can consume less and less. the middle class shrinks over time while poverty grows and extreme poverty bloats.

what problem

you ever see that movie, Elysium?

That's what is gonna happen. But Matt Damon won't save us.

It won't. Automation is inevitable so we're going to have to start having a basic income because of all the complete retards that are going to be out of jobs.