I'm posting this out of legit curiosity.
What would you think of "white people" who weren't "European"?
The girl pictured is a good example, as she's from the Kalash tribe, and looks totally white. Genetically, she'd test further from Europe than most Arabs.
This question will also be of utmost relevance if genome editing via CRISPR or w/e ever goes mainstream.
Non-white Caucasians will often be able to completely pass as white, if they're able to gene edit skin/eye/hair color.
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bump for curiosity
also worth a mention is that some of the siberian girls would look cute as fuck with light features.
How do we save them?
White simply means European now. I think she's unique, that's about it.
Most Sup Forumsacks are too retarded to understand basic genetics.
Y DNA doesn't really mean shit unless you're tracking population migrations.
>The Kalasha (Kalasha: Kaĺaśa, Nuristani: Kasivo) or Kalash, are an Indo-Aryan Dardic indigenous people residing in the Chitral District of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. They speak the Kalasha language, from the Dardic family of the Indo-Aryan branch. They are considered unique among the peoples of Pakistan.[4] They are also considered to be Pakistan's smallest religious community.[5]
>Indo-Aryan
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OP Please draw a 3d box over what is considered "white"
open-genomes.org
This.
The ones that do draw retarded conclusions.
OP: Race is not hair and eye colour. Kalesh people have a wide range of genotypes and phenotypes. Pictures is another Kalesh girl... Not Blonde or light eyed. They vary greatly like any other group.
Some have managed tor retain their lighter recessive traits, but that does not make them unmixed with other elements.
Threads like this are really ignorant, like asking of Albino niggers of quadroons with white features are white.
And the armchair geneticists have arrived.
Genetic analysis of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) by Firasat et al. (2007) on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of these Y-DNA Haplogroups: L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%).[37]
Genetic analysis of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) by Quintana-Murci et al. (2004) stated that "the western Eurasian presence in the Kalash population reaches a frequency of 100%" with the most prevalent mtDNA Haplogroups being U4 (34%), R0 (23%), U2e (16%), and J2 (9%). The study asserted that no East or South Asian lineages were detected and that the Kalash population is composed of western Eurasian lineages (as the associated lineages are rare or absent in the surrounding populations). The authors concluded that a western Eurasian origin for the Kalash is likely, in view of their maternal lineages.[38]
A study by Li et al. (2008) with geneticists using more than 650,000 single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP) samples from the Human Genome Diversity Panel, found deep rooted lineages that could be distinguished in the Kalash. The results showed them clustered within the Central/South Asian populations at (K = 7). The study also showed the Kalash to be a separated group, having no membership within European populations.[42]
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>Mixed as fuck
Its not just skin color user
She's not exactly unique, there are quite a few "white" people in that ethnic group, and in related ones. She is quite white compared to the other pics I've seen.
If you look up their haploshits you'll find that they have a higher rate of light eyes than Arab groups, despite Arabs being more genetically related to Euros.
Regardless of this, it's a legitimate question in the event that gene editing becomes real.
>Threads like this are really ignorant, like asking of Albino niggers of quadroons with white features are white.
Comparing a literal depigmentation disease with a normal phenotype which is passed down to the offspring?
I think you might be the retarded one.
Facial features are also different other than pigmentation.
You may have comprehension problems, I said it was an ignorant comparison, much like the Albino nigger threads that are very often posted here.
I as not making the comparison.
You have to remember that proto-whites originally came to europe from the middle east, hence the term indo-european. The Kalash are ancient whites who have mostly survived intact from all the racemixing going on around them.
"White" as a race is a concept made up up american racists in order to not make their genetical heritage sound so awful.
Neither is "white" a fucking race nor is a race defined by specific colours.
>hence the term indo-european.
but they came from the Pontic–Caspian steppe
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The definition of white can be argued until you are blue in the face. It is pointless
There is only Genotype and Phenotype and whether they fall within or without the European range.
But this is far to complicated for most /pol users to comprehend.
But your picture demonstrates the issue I'm asking about.
I really dont get Sup Forums's obsession with "whiteness".
What is white?
Who defines what is white?
Is your definition of white the same with the definition of other people's white?
Is that trait or feature unique to whites?
Would I want to be white?
What's the obsession about skin colour?
Why do you classify with skin colour instead of race?
really curious in here
The question I'm asking is what the people on this board think of people who are phenotypically white, but not genetically European.
Why do people think blonde hair/blue eyes automatically means white?
TOO CHUBBY FOR MY GENE POOL
el oh el, racists.
White tends to mean descendant of the natives of Europe, it's a terrible name I know. I wish European was used instead.
If you were white you would get it
Looks like something out of a horror flick.
you're not white either pajeet / chen
>Total population ca. 4,100
>During the 1970s, local Muslims and militants tormented the Kalash because of the difference in religion and multiple Taliban attacks on the tribe lead to the death of many, their numbers shrank to just two thousand.
>However, protection from the government led to a decrease in violence by locals, a decrease in Taliban attacks, and a great reduction in the child mortality rate. The last two decades saw a rise in numbers.
holy shit, those numbers...
Seems doubtful that the Pakistani gov will continue to protect them if shit keeps hitting the fan in the region.
Right, but what are your feelings on my question?
My position is that it's fine, as the "social" part of race is the only one that really matters.
The genetic part will really only matter in a bone marrow transplant or something, and as it is, there are like 5% of whites who can't even get a same race match currently.
i'm part kalash and look like any other white person [i can share a selfie if you want to see]. there are so few kalasha and the number of 'true' kalasha are declining so rapidly that by the time the technology you're discussing becomes widely available, kalasha won't be numerous enough for this to be a conversation worth having.
now i know you're just using the kalash tribe as an example for "white but not white" groups in general, but i imagine genetic/cultural admixture will have the same effect on most of them too
also i should point out that most kalasha have much darker skin/hair/eyes than the OP
These populations are a novelty to people know have no understanding of genetics or anthropology. Nothing more.
If they are intelligent they would understand the genetic component, and that there is no assurance their offspring would be "white" in appearance, as populations such as the Kalesh are highly mixed.
To a pleb the fact that they saw a picture of a white skinned, light eyed person they would assume that they too are "white", because they do not understand the genetics involved.
Super interesting user. Reading about the Kalash now. They don't appear to be related to anybody at all, so they could actually be the origin of European traits as we know them. They have their own polytheistic religion, but 50% of them have become infected with Islam now : (
They have beehives built into their houses so they got honey on tap. They dress like colorful peruvians. Pretty cool.
>During the 1970s, local Muslims and militants tormented the Kalash because of the difference in religion
I fucking hate Muslims so much I want them all to die.
I'm looking up Kalash on Wikipedia and I'm not sure if they're from Pakistan or Iran
This is a Nuristanian woman from Eastern Afghanistan
Pakistan
I'd be interested in seeing a selfie, if you're comfortable with posting one.
>there are so few kalasha and the number of 'true' kalasha are declining so rapidly that by the time the technology you're discussing becomes widely available, kalasha won't be numerous enough for this to be a conversation worth having.
The Kalasha weren't actually relevant to my point. Regardless of whether they go extinct, there will still be people who will get a pigmentally white phenotype, as the genes for pigmentation are very well defined, and the phenotypes very easy to measure, since they're defined by the single dimension of light reflectance.
If a non-white person with a structurally white phenotype (many individuals from the mideast/India region fit this description) gets the gene therapy, they will look white, but still be genetically non-European.
The only reason I mentioned the Kalasha was because they're a practical current example of what I'm talking about, since we don't have designer babies yet.
That's pretty crazy then
haha I'm white and I just now realize how tiny our mouths really are
Racial purity isn't so important to you other races because you either don't have any purity or you have no reason to care about your race (few accomplishments, weak history etc.)
It's like someone who has never had any money wondering why a rich man is worried about losing all his money.
I wish I could run away and join an indigenous tribe. Sure, such life is not easy but there's so much bs in the modern world. Sup Forums probably hates me for saying that but I don't care.
This is an example of how white people's features can look normal and attractive in any skin tone and yet a negro will look absolutely vile if their skin is whitened as seen here Why people mix their genes with negro DNA is a mystery that I will never be able to understand. It's an affront to nature.
So how are they less white than finno-ugrians?
yeah i get your point. i guess some body of white people would have to get together and decide on whether whiteness is defined by skin color or by european ancestry, or some sliding scale of acceptability; like i'm guessing some people would be fine with blonde haired and blue eyed afghanis and not with albino indians/africans for example
also this is me
What % Kalash are you
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White people don't even originate in Europe, and historically they have been present all over the place in Asia. White people are just as "Asian" as they are "European". Most of the whites in Asia have been "turkd" and "khand" and "jihaded" but pockets of pure blooded remain somewhere, and their genetic is everywhere.
European = white
But
White /= European
LMAO
i haven't gotten a DNA test to be sure, but 1/4.
my mom was half kalashi and half italian/greek/jewish/other european, while my dad was english and swedish (like his dad was straight off the boat swede)
I doubt that there was a single origin of white pigmentation.
I actually have a pet theory, which is complete bullshit posturing, and it goes as follows:
People in cold climates need higher cooperation in order to secure food, since it's mostly fish/meat, and not plant/dairy based.
People are more likely to cooperate with and feel compassionate towards a child.
Mongolids are naturally more neotenous. If a Caucasoid was to survive, and retain their Caucasoid skull structure, they'd have to evolve a "superficial" neoteny, in the form of lighter pigmentation. Otherwise they'd look too threatening.
Interestingly enough, the dairy-herding Yamnaya were 90% dark eyed, and extremely tall. We also know that Y DNA diversity dropped GLOBALLY after agriculture was adopted.
Cold climate expensive food breeds neotenous, childlike people, and cheap hot climate food breeds more "adultlike" people.
In addition to the cooperation bit, sexual selection was probably happening too. Men were in high demand (women can gather and milk cows, but can't fish/hunt), so they could only afford few women, and they chose the cutest (often light eyed) ones.
nah yeah this is accurate, i wear a 7 3/4 hat
I come from a Hungarian family whos ethnic ties are with Siberian mongols. Looks whyt to me lol.
me too user, me too.
I cant concieve how anyone can like muslims they do everything possible to be hated, they abuse animals, they rape children, the massacre innocents, they destroy priceless artefacts and buildings constantly. They do everything any good man despises.
Can't answer all your questions but about the obsession with "whiteness" - I think there are a couple of reasons.
1) We are defined by our race, our colour, not just by racists and the right, but by the left and this constant narrative of how bad white people are. In a way, we are playing in the playfield they defined, their "divide and conquer" is working. But many in the west are raised from birth being brainwashed by the left about race
2) It's hard to understand for you perhaps, but those of us in our 20's, 30's, 40's have witnessed before our very eyes all of our Western countries change racially in our lifetimes. There has been a huge change, and there are actually people in power trying to convince us it's all in our heads, or saying "there has always been immigration!" etc.
When you see this huge change, and then this crazy code of silence around, people trying to deny reality etc it drives you mad. We have seen our countries change racially so much, so "whiteness" becomes a more tangible thing as we see it disappearing.
Finno ugrians are basically predominately european eurasians aren't they?
Why would they bleach themselves through gene editing
I'd imagine niggers would use it to finally give themselves a real brain
But a blonde, blue eyed Indian is not an albino Indian, since the phenotype persists with successive generations, and it's a "legitimate" phenotype, rather than a disease.
I mostly agree with the African bit, but there are still a few individuals from the eastern horn that might qualify. I think some of the people have straight hair over there, but I'm not totally sure.
Your lips look a bit odd, desu, but there are probably some actual white people out there with lips like that.
Anyone else here used to believe in "race realism" and ethnonationalism but have since given it up? I've pretty much drifted away from it. I think culture outweighs genetics. I do agree that genes degenerate in hotter areas but I don't think that black people are perpetually far less intelligent than white people.
Are you telling me there was a remigration from Armenians back into Africa to currently known-as Chad? And those Sub-Saharans share allmost the same DNA as Western-Europeans?
ah yeah albino indians were a bad example, i should have gone with whatever this kid is; you know all those strange groups that formed their own mutations for different things like blonde/red hair.
i'm not sure if you're talking about the color or size/shape of my lips but i can explain that the color comes from some severe discoloration that gets far more noticeable when i'm out in the sun. i don't have a picture of that unfortunately but if you can't see the line you can tell my lips get much lighter on the outer parts
A better scientific theory exists.
Sunlight is variable between the poles and tropics. At the tropics skin needs to contain a lot of melanin to protect against sun damage. Towards the poles lower sunlight availability means less melanin in the skin is needed to allow the production of sufficient Vitamin D.
Vitamin D deficiency correlates with lower birth weight in children. Therefore lighter skinned individuals were able to produce offspring that had marginally better survival rates in polar regions, through ideal vitamin D in the mother resulting in better birth weight for the child. Repeat over a few thousand generations and you end up with lighter skinned people in the polar regions and darker skinned ones in the tropics.
It's a white male thing
>photoshopped eyes
Also
>race is just skin color
Bluepill much
you're forgetting that access to fish (and their vitamin D supplying oils) is a huge factor that allows for dark skinned people to survive at latitudes far above 45 degrees. this is why native greenlanders/siberians/canadians are dark
They literally are part finno-urgian (MT-HG U4 and U3). But they are also a dozen other groups mixed in, many of them outwith the European spectrum.
I should have been more clear. By "white pigmentation", I was specifically referring to eye color.
Skin color is just the vitamin D change you mentioned, which is heavily selected by a plant/milk based diet, which is low in D.
Eye color has no such obvious advantage, I think it's more of a sexual selection thing.
>Genetically, she'd test further from Europe than most Arabs.
>Kalash people claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great's soldiers;[48] and a recent genetic analysis has substantiated this belief. A study by Hellenthal et al. (2014) on the DNA of the Kalash people showed evidence of input from modern day Germany and Austria between 990 and 210 BC, a period that overlaps with that of Alexander the Great
Nice B8
>if they're able to gene edit skin/eye/hair color.
Reminds me of this joke:
>Two black guys come upon a new store that claims to have a machine that will turn them white for 10 dollars. The first black guy has a 20$ bill with him and the second only has a 5$ bill. So the first black guy says, "How about I go in and use the machine and then ill come out and give you my change?" They both agree on the plan and the first black guy proceeds to go in. About 15 minutes later, the guy comes out completely white. He has a nice Rolex Watch, and a business mans suit on. The second black guy that had been waiting says, "Oh my God it worked!! Can I get your change to get mine done?" He responds "Get a job nigger"
I think the far right is too dismissive of culture. I think they also tend to be extremely dismissive of the actual effects of racism.
Technically, racism would disappear with white nationalism, since everyone would live with their own race. However, it could also disappear with exposure, provided that 1) whites are going to be socially good, and 2) minorities are going to be legally good
The problem is that both the whites and minorities were bad. (whites weren't accepting, and minorities couldn't suck it up, also certain minorities commit violent crime, but even this crime can be traced to bad environmental conditions and shieeet).
Basically, this leads to a sort of radicalization feedback loop where whites look at black crime and become more ethnonationalist, and also generalize their undesirability to all non-whites.
Minorities read and experience racism, generalize this sentiment to all whites.
Basically, the only way that multiracialism could have been done correctly is by taking only the best non-whites and forcibly integrating the best whites with them. Instead, we forcibly integrated the worst whites with the worst non-whites, and now that's ruined any possibility for integration with even the best minorities, because they're forever tarred with the bad reputation of any minority.
Source for that? Because all the genetic analyses I've seen put them squarely as their own ethnicity, without any relation to Europe.
Not trying to start an argument, I'll genuinely change my mind if it's convincing.
If the SS had stormed through her country of origin, they very well might taken her back to Germany to be put into the Lebensborn Children program.
wikipedia, you moron
en.protothema.gr
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One of the comments said her eyes are photoshopped, and it looks like they might have been. However the point still stands that there are many Kalash who are indistinguishable from whites, at a higher rate than other non-european caucasoids..
holy fuck
Too few in number to be an issue. NEXT, please!
What is 'Siberian' about this girl, other than her hometown? Looks just regular Russian to me. And doesn't need fair hair, she's beautiful as she is.
I envy you guys with different colored eyes. Non-whites just have boring shades of dark brown.
What's your story, user? Is the rest of the family Pushtun or what?
>my mom was half kalashi and half italian/greek/jewish/other european
Ah sorry, you already explained. But how did such a thing even happen, that your grandparents met each other?
>ethnic ties are with Siberian
LINGUISTIC ties. The ethnic component is very small, almost negligible in many cases. You descend from the Slavs, Germans and assorted local Pannonian/Balkan/Sarmatian peoples that the Magyars subjugated when they conquered the Alfold. They even 'imported' large numbers of people capture during their raids across Europe.
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>he saw a few abnormally light cherry picked Kalash on Google images and now thinks they're white
Most of them look like street shitters.
Literally Gypsies.
hold up, one of them actually has ears of corn stuck to her head
this.
all aryans came from the same white skinned ancestor, spreading into europe, persia, india, levant, north africa etc. i consider the original israelites to also have been this type of "white". of course their genes are disgusting now inbred and mixed with jihadis
eskimos are brown because they get a double dose of sunburn as it reflects off the white snow. and as the other user said they eat a lot of fish so its not as detrimental to be tanned.
i'm not, sure to be honest. i know some generations of mixing happened in america and others in israel and italy, way before that probably even more from the silk road and empires exchanging land through war etc
Smells like bullshit to me. You said you had a Kalash grandparent. These are a remote backward tribe up in the distant mountains at the back of beyond in Pakistan, where outsiders don't venture unless they want to risk having their throat slit or worse. How could a Westerner have bred with somebody from there?
Are you Mike Cenovichs long lost brother?
Dual inheritance theory/ gene-culture co evolution. Look up evoandproud blog, hbdchick. Your welcome.
we wuz everyone and shieeet
Why do Jews have such ugly, punch-able faces? Jesus, just look at this guy.
Sub-human rat genes
that guy literally looks like a human-rat hybrid
i don't know man, i didn't grow up with either of my parents so i don't have extensive knowledge of my family history. i could talk to them and ask but it would take longer than this thread will be up to get any info. i guess it's easier for both of us if you wanna take it as bullshit, not sure why i'd lie about such an obscure thing when it's not like i'm using it for much leverage in an argument or anything here
There are a lot of blonde haired blue eyed versions of Kalash, the problem is pakistan fetishizes them and tries to marry and mix with them.
The Muslim obsession with "Children of yellow"