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>liberal snowflake SJW wants to have a genuine non condescending conversation with conservatives

I won't get triggered. Don't walk on eggshells, just your experience. Why did ObamaCare suck for you?

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>Why did ObamaCare suck for you?

It wasn't single-payer, universal healthcare for every single American regardless of age or income.

there's no cuckservatives here, shlomo. beat it. you don't even know who you're having a conversation with

>Why did ObamaCare suck for you?
I ended up paying $2500 more per year for healthcare for myself, and the $38k more I paid for my employees caused me to shut down my business.

My parents health insurance for our family rose to $750 a month and is going up to $1000 a month this year.

I contributed taxes that paid for this shitty billion dollar website that is getting taken down anyways

Nigger

It was a broken system, where people who couldn't afford insurance had to pay a fine. Premiums increased. The fundamental issue is with the US healthcare system, where everything is expensive due to 1) overpaid doctors 2) overpriced supplies due to fear of lawsuits. In Sweden, you need to pay ~11% of your income as "county tax", which only goes to healthcare. This is fully comparable to US healthcare costs, considering that some things are not covered in Sweden and the US' exorbitant prices.

My wife and I went from paying $1100/month for a top-tier plan to $2400/month when all of Obamacare shit kicked in, wait times were longer, quality of care went down as well.

Had to take a plan with a $6k deductible and twice the cost on co-pays and mess to get back to original cost again.

It sucked balls to pay out the ass so other faggots could get a few breaks. It was a retarded experiment in socialism that failed to do as promised.

I do appreciate the pre-existing condition coverage idea, but the rest is terrible.

I'll tell the story again. I work a part-time job so I don't make a lot of money. Just enough to get by. My brother is an accountant so I always have him do my tax. One day, he suddenly tells me that I'm mandated to have insurance or I'll have to pay a fine. But I can't just have any insurance. I have to get one off the government's list. So i checked and the guy i talked to said my plan would come up to be about 500 dollars a month. I only make about 1100 a month. There's no way I can make insurance payment and rent and car insurance and still have enough to eat. So I said I'd pay the fine, which was about 90 dollars. Then my brother said the fine would go up every year until I got insurance. The last time, I paid a 300 dollar fine. My brother is saying the next one would be 900. Why the fuck is this happening? I save a little here and there and when I get sick, I pay for it with my own money. I don't need insurance, certainly one I can't afford, and my social anxiety prevents me from working full-time.

Shut up drumpster.

Just look at this. This is a "medical grade" scale. It costs $341. For a fucking scale. There's nothing special about it. 100g accuracy, max capacity 200kg/440lbs. I can buy a regular bathroom scale which does the exact same thing for $20. But it's not "medical grade", so companies "might get sued".
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My premium went WAY the fuck up. I was on a god-tier BC/BS gold plan with a $500 deductible, and got kicked to a bronze Cigna plan with a $7000 deductible while raising my monthly premium by $140.

Nice (((affordable health care))) Obongo

> tell bookeeper not to file until after the election
> profit

It cost more then Canadian healthcare and thats saying something.

Reply to my thread I need life advice

Okay this is OP and I've read it all and understand it.

But who DID ObamaCare work for and in what ways?

jesus christ a website costing 2.1 billion dollars
just fucking nuke washington already

>destroyed the economy in my area
>businesses couldn't afford to provide it
>had to let people go
>stopped hiring
>premiums were like $850
>had to get health insurance through work

What a bunch of bullshit. The only people who actually like it are ghetto folk.

>Too expensive, poor student.
>cheaper to just pay fine
>now I'm poorer because no insure

So it worked for people at the bottom, and hurt people in the working class?

Did you try to apply for MediCal or socially funded programs?

Yeah, it actually hurt everybody.

Rich people who owned businesses couldn't keep employing people. Those people had to go get a bunch of part time jobs, and then be part of a health care system they can't even afford.

The whole thing didn't make an ounce of sense. We just need competition where you have the option of getting really shitty cheap health insurance through private companies.

I'm asking if you applied for anything because I was a working student working 30-40 hours a week, and I got approved for MediCal when my parents' insurance dropped me.

It completely covered my motorcycle accident with two open fractures. Three surgeries, and two weeks in the hospital I just got home yesterday.

But the more I started to realize the system was working for me, I knew that it had to be working against someone else, so i'm here asking questions to try to find a way we can change future healthcare reform for all of us.

I'm still on my parent's insurance, so my experience isn't as bad as most. I cover my own copays for my weekly therapy sessions, and that went up by about 50%. Not a lot all at once, but a significant drain overtime, esp with student loans to pay back.

I went from paying about $240/month for a good PPO plan with low deductible and reasonable co-pays to almost $600/month for a shit-tier plan with high deductible and ridiculous co-pay where it's cheaper to just go to the walk-in clinic and pay OOP for routine care.

On top of that, I've been through 3 primary care doctors because mine keep leaving the plan. Specialists are few and far between, either they won't accept my plan, they don't accept new patients, or they have insane waiting times for an appointment (like months).

So costs doubled, and care is reduced to near second world status. I could also gripe about the limited plan choices and some minor annoyances but I can't afford it and the care sucks.

How can we create a market for that?

It would be nice if we could reach a consensus. Our healthcare system wasn't perfect before the aca, with medical expenses being the number one cause of bankruptcy. But socialism and government mandated purchases only make the problem worse.

I'm personally a supporter of rand paul's proposed reform.

Never should have had the individual mandate. I shouldn't be taxed for existing. Honestly without the individual mandate 80 percent of the political opposition would have fallen away and Obamacare would be just another pile of shitty regulations stacked on top of the rest.

I got billed USD$1,500 from a doctor in SF for consultation alone. My doctor in Hong Kong billed me USD$120 for consultation and my doctor in Singapore billed me USD$80. Same kinds of specialist with same kinds of background. I'm not an American citizen and even I think your healthcare system sucks.

post statements and prove this.

natsoc here

i really dont have that much of a problem with obamacare as a concept. affordable health care is a good step for your country. it's just not implemented properly.

It doesn't and I'd rather it stays. I don't even like Trump but the a lot of the left deserves him.

8We also subsidize other countries healthcare systems and end up paying 50% of medical R&D

In which ways did it fail, and where did it succeed?

I think we can collectively agree it was a massive flop, but I think by examining it we can apply it's result as insight for future healthcare reform.

i have insurance. obama passed it saying it was shit and needed to be fixed later. it was more important to get it through than make it workable.
that aside, we are not your research niggers. it's a disgrace that you don't know this. you didn't know this because you're jacked into propaganda 24/7. you've been brainwashed. now gtfo, retard, you have your own boards.
for real, i already told you we're not your research niggers, now leave before i show you what you've caused: little children being disemboweled alive for being christian. you voted for that. you make me fucking sick you disgusting, ignorant degenerate.

I don't know what you're talking about. And that's why I'm here to learn.

I'm graduated in journalism and there's a fundamental flaw in the way that people consume media. With the move from print to digital, news habits are changing. People now have the option to read what they want based on the headline, and as such, people subsequently choose the facts they want.

I want to change that. But first I need to talk to people. And understand.

I make 50k a year. I had to pay 2k for an ultrasound that took about 15 minutes. The ultrasound provided no helpful information for me. This 2k was out of my pocket with my middle of the road insurance. When I asked them wtf they told me ver batim "I was subsidizing those that can't pay."

Yeah, that's not gonna work for me.

The whole thing was a virtue signaling feel good scheme, and that shit always loses money.

This was not affordable at all.

OP I work in healthcare consulting. The biggest driver to drug costs is the FDA creating virtual monopolies by putting ridiculous patents on drugs. Pfizer is losing its shit right now because their flagship drug Viagra loses its patent in December

>Why did ObamaCare suck for you?
Hard to be non condescending when you're an idiot

individual plans practically disappeared in California.

so you either pay the fine, get shitty Covered California crap insurance, or hope work provides it

>But who DID ObamaCare work for and in what ways?
Poor people who were leeches on the system and were on welfare, everyone not on welfare had to subsidize their cost of healthcare.

Btw you're not replying to anything posted how is that a conservation?

Obamacare - let's make perfectly healthy people pay more because they are perfectly healthy and can thus afford it.

it's the most backwards fucking system there is. Its' socialism, and socialism is evil. When the government says "give me your money; trust me i know what i'm doing" you have to question it.

not to mention that my taxes are paying for abortions, which are against my religion. but because i'm not a muslim, nobody cares.

"Those who can't pay."

Oh, you mean niggers?

A company where I worked making software for missiles had a healthcare meeting before I quit, every provider went up 100% except blue Cross, they were only 35%. The CEO on the board of directors for a major healthcare organization in the area and a former golden Sachs employee. I was was least paid salary employee so I just decided to say fuck it and gave up and moved to Indiana. Things have been horrible and now I have nothing.

You start by gutting the FDA so it's not a 4 year wait for a new manufacturing plant for an existing drug to get opened. FDA hands out state-sponsored licenses to monopoly to corporations for several years, the corporations then hike the prices as much as they can get away with to bleed insurance companies. Insurance companies raise their premiums and make their coverage schemes less comprehensive to compensate.

Basically everything would be an awful lot cheaper if the government governed less, this is an issue I agree with the lolbertarians on

>you will never look as manly as him
Why did I have to be born a twink cis gendered white male

I wish I was born an arab shitskin in the current year, everything is handed to them for free, women, housing, money and no matter how much I fuck up, people will still kiss my ass

>you will never get devilish digits

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I've only looked at Obamacare from the outside, and from what I can tell, it's basically just a law which forces you to give money to private insurance companies. To me it just seems like evil theft.

My boss claimed i couldnt work full time because once i did he would have to pay to offer me a plan or something. Even though ive paid for my own plan since about 18-19 years old. Which also went from ~$70 to the something like 200 month i pay now

Our monthly payments went up by $1500 a month. And our premiums went up by $5000. We couldn't use our insurance unless one of us gets hit by a car.

over here in the Netherlands we have the most privatized healthcare system in Europe

we also have the best results in Europe


universal healthcare doesnt work

I never had any intention of getting healthcare, but with Obamacare I get punished (taxed) for not having it.

I went from 100 a month with average care to 140 a month for nothing. The alternative was 200 a month with a 3000 deductible.

Thanks obongocare you took my money and got the useless dregs of society covered but not me.

>I'm graduated in journalism
>I'm graduated
>I'm

Kill yourself and take your useless degree with you.

I could have sworn I saw the same line on Plebbit. Did this guy rip it off of them, or did Plebbit rip it off him?

Good for you OP. No time to read thread, but if you're genuine, good for you.

It got too goddamn expensive and I never use it. America should have universal health care.

Forced coverage for shit I didn't need
2x as expensive
Penalized me 3x cost if I didn't have insurance right when I was actually planning to drop insurance overall and instead set up a health savings account.

I rarely get sick or injured, and even then barely. I have no pre-existing conditions or other medical issues requiring consistent medication or medical assistance.

I pay a shit ton of money for nothing....

Lets be real Obama care was a way to raise taxes without calling it a tax and disguising it as something wonderful.

It's the same shit liberals and Democrats always do. Pass fucked up tyrannical laws under the guise of progress and then (like we are seeing now with the travel ban) lose their shit when power shifts and those laws comeback to bite them in the ass.

Because when Democrats said that "no one could have predicted the problems" when every fucking person opposed to it predicted its problems

Though, ironically, nobody predicted the website wouldn't even function - guess they didn't think they'd fuck up THAT badly

You have a wierd ID.

Can an American enlighten me why the costa of healthcare rose after Obamacare? Because every nigger had to have an insurance and companies took the money from those who actually have a job?

Lol, this dumb bitch is jobless.

>Utter submission to Right Wing Will
You have not just conceded the argument yourself, but for all of your comrades as well.