So what the fuck is going to happen when basically all jobs are automated?

So what the fuck is going to happen when basically all jobs are automated?

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Socialism.

physically remove democrats and, communists with my new found free time.

Robo-waifus.

Read h g wells time machine

We will all rule over our very own robot feudal states

If it gets to a point where ai is so advanced robots are designing programming building and maintaining themselves and virtually all "work" as we know it today is done by machines it will completely change the way humans behave in an economic sense

That's like asking whst Bronze Age slaves would do if they were magically transported into today's workforce

It will be a totally different organization of economics and society. Hardly worth worrying about because that is several centuries away still

We distribute wealth to the lower classes with wages. If wages are no longer a good means of giving them enough to live by then welfare will be necessary. If machines are that much more productive than humans then there will be plenty of excess wealth to allow everyone to live comfortably.

The neet life.

Good luck automating my job of industrial maintenance. You would have to have terminator level of dexterity

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this. and as a moderate libertarian, I've already accepted that this is how the future will be.

In the mean time we must continue to MAGA

Marx will be vindicated. He was totally wrong about everything, but got to be right in the end based on factors he had no way of knowing about. Kids will have to learn about the "genius" Karl Marx who predicted fully automated socialism 300 years before it happened

>You would have to have terminator level of dexterity

>says he does his job as good as a robot
>no afraid of being replaced by a robot

really makes you think

The state will be no more efficient after automation. In fact it will probably be even worse afterwards because the people will have so much free shit they won't care about forcing it to be efficient.

Social Democracy will be the way of the future, but entrepreneurship is still needed.

Each man will truly become his own island, supported by his robot waifu, needing not to work thanks to automatization.
It will be glorious.

Then i will maintain the robots.

Why do people think it's jobs we need rather than food/shelter?
If a robot were to do my job for me that means I get to reap the rewards, it's not like we're gonna pay robots.

What about the time when automation is at the stage when nearly everyone is unemployed and only some engineers, programmers, mechanics and politicians etc. are employed? Will basic income to keep sheeps consuming be worthwhile for the rich, or would it be in their selfish interest to simply try get rid of the useless consumers?

Many of the artistic-type persons probably don't realize it, but many workers will have a hard time coping with ''doing nothing''. I've no idea what will happend, but I'm sure I'll have a hunting rifle by the time things get interesting.

Not according to my calender. This transformation will happen in the next 30 years.

>it will be heaven!
It will be hell. Once the ruling class (the people owning the robots) realize that 99% of the human population is superfluous to their wealth we will all be exterminated

the thing about robot automation is that the robots need to be able to suffer

the guy who compared it to bronze age slaves is right but the problem is the robots aren't like people

i want to sit in my castle while thousands of sentient beings toil for my every whim and i'm not going to enjoy it unless they're hating every minute of it but their programming keeps them from rebelling

what's the point of being an aristocrat without an underclass to kick around

Oh yes, things will be just wonderful when the Elite own ALL means of production and they force everyone into poverty with absolutely no social mobility

>its not like we're gonna pay robots
EU wants to start taxing them, give it time.

I don't know, but the lefties would still find something to bitch about.

>Unskilled workers
>Hard workers
>Highest Levels of unemployed
>All the mentally weak die off
>or leach from the rich
>Literal all Rich chads
>Or hugest welfare crisis in the world and spiral into World war 3 ending the world.
>Orrrr Post apoc world Alex jones and Joe Rogan are like the resistance fighters in Terminator

I don't see why it would be so hard for people to handle. We already have a massive class of people that don't have to do anything and receive basic income from the government...they're called retired people.

Get a friggin' hobby, join a book club, whatever. It's pathetic people define themselves solely by their career. There is more to existence than earning money.

i'm graduating with mech e/robotics minor and your job isn't in danger. The robotics industry has plateaued since the baby boomers took over and tried to apply their meme scifi principles rather than take the time to build proper control systems and new computers necessary to actually make robots useful. As a general rule of thumb any robot which is controlled from a central computer running linux is a meme and has not contributed anything of value to the robotics community. This includes the asimo and honda walking robots which are just wasting money that could be spent on actual research.

People will boycott and burn down the factories.

the difference between "no social mobility" and what we have now would be barely perceptible

Yes. We finally have to admit that socialism is superior over capitalism and give everyone free money.

I'll be at home fucking my sex bot.

Socialism with digital state money monopole.

people will be drugged up 24/7. and why not?

we learn how to hack and we fuck up their stupid shit

Humans become useless and will be exterminated.

Hail our Robot Overlords

The government will provide for the welfare of the people via taxes if they don't outright seize the means of production. What are the companies going to do? Go to the shitty tax haven countries where manpower is already in excess?

Given that desktop manufacturing will be so cheap and competent that anyone could make almost anything, I think the powerful would have a lot to fear from the common man if they piss them off.

Or a hacker just turns a politicians robot maid into a terminator.

It's random nutters we have to fear. Today anyone can get a gun, tomorrow anyone can get a robot army.

Slavery

Yeah, a few rich people not taking care of the poor masses always worked out really good for them troughout history.

This is actually a pretty good concept. Don't treat robots as machines, treat them as workers and make their owners pay taxes.

>inb4 robots demandind 35 hour work week
>inb4 robots get their own union

Assuming perfectly efficient market, folks whos jobs were replaced will now work in servicing the said machines. If not enough work in that realm, then the number of machines will expand until an equilibrium is established.

Just as we realize a combine harvester doesn't put the farmer out of business - it allows him to work more land.

The main hindrance to this simple process is awful education systems, and laws that limit freedom of association between employees / employers (unions, mandated vacation, minimum wage, etc.)

>we will all be exterminated
who will buy their shit solely consumers create wealth for companies
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>Only the elite will control the means of production

Individuals will be able to prototype almost any machine in their garage. 3d printers are just crude examples of the tools that will be available to the average yahoo.

The day my job is automated is the day humanity becomes one with the automation so I'm feeling pretty safe.

Counterpoint, can robots build a global civilization from a savanna over the course of 20,000 years using little more than sticks?

>Don't treat robots as machines, treat them as workers and make their owners pay taxes.

But where do you draw the line?What is a robot? I mean cars serve the same purpose right? They replaced horses and traveling on foot, yet nobody seems to tax cars. At least not in the industry.

>Get a friggin' hobby, join a book club, whatever. It's pathetic people define themselves solely by their career.
You may think it's pathetic, but it's deeply rooted feeling in many that they have to be useful. Most retired people have worked all their life and paid taxes, they are not exactly ''leeching''. It's less about working, but feeling like you've done your part. I'm not one of those by the way, I'm NEET freelord and enjoying it, but we have to acknowledge that most sheeps are not certain to adapt to the ''contribute nothing'' -lifestyle.

Also again, exactly why should the rich people want to keep around unecessary mouths to feed? It's always best to assume the worst out of people, and I've gut feeling that if they can, they absolutely will kill off 99% of people and establish a new world order for themselves. If they can do it. Pandemia, global nuclear destruction?

I think spirituality (I don't mean religion btw) will make a huge impact on future generations, as humans begin to focus more on what it is to actually exist. Humans have always been given a 'purpose' from whatever society they lived in, but all of a sudden, people will face the fact that almost all necessities are accessible to them. This will have a massive influence on the human psyche, because everyone's been raised to believed that you're meant to be 'better' than others, whether it be through the property you own, or your career.

I think people will turn to meditation and other forms of spiritual enlightenment. Philosophy and the arts will be very prevalent, and people will learn things for the very sake of learning. Humans may also begin to relearn to craft things by hand, such as wood and metal work and high sentimental value will be put upon things which are 'human made'.

I'd love to live long enough up to see the beginnings of this.

You'll have to leave the weaving to the textile mills and work in a different industry.

>implying the same pattern of industrialisation replacing old jobs with new jobs is anyway different in the 21st century than the 19th

I hate this argument so much. We are not going to have robots that each need a maintenance guy. It's gonna be 1 guy for 100 robots that replaced 100 workers.

That farmer can work more land? Yeah, that means we need less farmers overall, which is what we have. In 1900, 38% of workers were farmers, now its 1%.

Luckily, they were able to find other jobs, because combines and other farm machines only replaced human muscle, robots and AI replace human MINDS!

Or the opposite will happen, people will have no purpose in life and will end up as druggies spending their life in virtual reality.

You seem to misunderstand. Robits will do the production.

Goys will do the menial work of humiliation and subjugation and service in general for a few scraps above "universal living income".

The same thing that happened the last time basically all jobs were automated: we find new jobs.

Despite the fear of Luddites industrialization was an irreversible force: where once a hundred men needed to work on a farm of a certain size, now ten men did the same work. Where once entire guilds was needed to brew a certain volume of beer, ten men and a machine could do the work in half the time. What happened then, did Europe transform into some steampunk utopia where everyone was rich and wore fucking cogs on their hats? Of course not, all the idle brewers and farmhands now moved to the city to work in factories.

Same with automization: it frees up hands, which will be employed in other fields of the economy. Just to name an example, if computers will take over certain jobs there will be a need for programmers to program, upkeep, doublecheck, tweak, improve etc. these machines.

The delusion that suddenly all jobs will disappear is just that: a delusion. The economy hates idle hands (though it is said for deflation around 7% unemployment is ideal, so that just makes us anti-inflation engineers).

If I've learned anything from the label machine at my work it's that these machines are also going to keep people to babysit them

The entire world's production will be controlled by about 5 multi-trillionaires. The rest starves. Capitalist's wet dream.

You will become a commie phaggot and get sucked off by a robot for being dumb enough to just soak up whatever bullshit propaganda comes your way.

>Automation engineer
>300k starting

Get on my level, scrubs.

It will also be possible to just make the robots yourself and have to work less. What technologies don't filter down to consumers? Very few. Robots definitely will.

>Individuals will be able to prototype almost any machine in their garage

Try designing better machines than an IBM owned AI with a 1000+ IQ, that runs 24 hours a day and thinks 100x the speed of a human mind.

Add to that the AI will be software, and is infinitely replicable.

Humans can't keep up.

There simply is nothing left for humans once intelligence is digitized.

>starting salary for an electrical engineer (ElektrotechnikerIn) is 2180€ per month.

It's nice to dream isn't it?

Honestly I think automation and the rise of AI are different to prior societal changes. It's very nature is the removal of the requirement of needing and human intervention. You're correct about upkeep and maintenance, but that isn't going to provide billions of jobs.

>300k starting

maybe in somali shillings friendo

>implying there won't be planned obsolescence and service contracts

>dad is robot maintenance worker
>mum is robot maintenance worker
>grandad is robot maintenance worker
>gran is robot maintenance worker
>brother is robot maintenance worker
>sister is robot maintenance worker

....

>google invents AI robot maintenance worker

oh shit son

Well, we have a car tax in germany^^

Makes a lot of sense. Those 5 multi-trillionaires would have a lot of reason to have robots to build things when everyone is dead from starvation.

>why should the rich people want to keep around unnecessary mouths to feed?

Maybe they want to feel useful too.

Actually, what people forget is that those "poor" individuals will still have more power than the average person does today because they will have access to advanced technology too.

Like I said before, anyone will be able to prototype almost anything in their home. Unless the rich decide to go full nuclear, they are going to have to treat people well or else they will be overthrown.

Really simple example:
Google's self-driving cars are everywhere in the future? Jerkwad overlords are going to a meeting:

Hack self-driving car to drive next to elite jerkwad's vehicle, blow up car with homemade explosives.

Other elites are on notice.

And that's with pretty dumb technology. Never mind assassinating someone with a robotic bird grenade or just having an everyday humanoid service robot reprogrammed to punch through their skull when they recognized the target's face.

It's going to be dangerous to be a jerk, because anyone can send a stealthy kill bot to hunt you down.

We are talking about a future where robots are as good as humans at almost everything. Killing will be one of them and everyone will have some level of access to this technology.

>implying planned obsolescence works when China will just make a more efficient AI and take over.

There is no such computer with the intelligence of humans. There isn't even anything close.

As for IBM monopolising the technology and guarding it somehow, that is silly. If the future of the human race depended on it, thousands of software engineers could get together and create a better version for everybody to use.

Do you have an ATM tax? ATM replaces bank tellers.

Ironically this is exactly what will end the pedophile "elites".

With nothing to do the masses will realize these people rape and murder kids by the thousands for fun or for occult purposes.

Their collective rage will cleanse the system.

Very few people and only for the beginning. We already have "lights out" factories that literally run for days with no human on site. That's with our current dumb technology.

Planet will be full of useless people

>China
>choosing quality and efficiency over scamming and shekeling

literally never

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Commie shills all over this thread. Kys

>Proprietary software never gets leaked.

>OpenSource projects aren't a thing either.

IBM was just an example. The monopolisation isnt the issue here.

>There is no such computer with the intelligence of humans. There isn't even anything close.

That's the problem mate.

We aren't even close to human level AI, yet we are about to lose millions of driving jobs and an untold amount of middle class jobs to automation, specifically neural-net based software.

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Not dead. Barely able to survive from the little money they make.

We'll create new jobs. All those worthless art degrees could actually become useful.

That is all this automation propaganda is about. It is literally planned propaganda. Some factory automating something means absolutely nothing in reality. It is just used as a story to sell communism.

Yeah, sub-100 IQ retards suddenly get a interested in philosophy, arts and learning. Think realistically. They will be more interested in brawling with each others and creating chaos for the sake of it.

The difference is real. During industrialization it was certainly obvious to everyone that simple machines wouldn't make people totally useless, even if it would obviously fuck over many people temporarily. Automation will be different. I can't imagine a single job that can not be automated. Not a single fucking job.

If you are so certain there will be jobs, mind giving just a few examples? I'd truly want to hear, it'd make the future look a lot less scary. I've studied automation engineering for two years now and I think I've a realistic idea what machines can and can't do. People should stop overestimating the complexity of their jobs.

"wealth" doesn't matter in a post-scarcity economy

Shit you guys are missing the point. I guess you are both

There will be other jobs. There will be cost savings (less road accidents that consumers have to deal with for example). There will be the ability to use the technology to save money yourself. There will be people who can create businesses with the new technology. Why does it just have to be uber that has the technology? All the uber drives could create their own companies and sell the automated driving car service to consumers. That could be their new job. They would just make sure the car is running and raking in the money.

In the worst case, there will be a reduction in the population. Populations rise and fall with the economy.

>You're correct about upkeep and maintenance, but that isn't going to provide billions of jobs.
True, but...
1. Not all jobs will be replaced by AI. At least not within our lifetimes.
2. New jobs will emerge as society goes forward. New jobs we cannot even begin to imagine. Much like how when industrialization was only just starting nobody would imagine that programmer, debugger and government hacker would become jobs.

Dependency on authority is extremely dangerous, because it can lead to dumbing down of the population. Is that what you're worried about? Is that really a possibility? And will political ideologies even still be relevant by then?

Small business - the solution to automation. Sell your robots abilities to consumers yourself.

Plenty of jobs IN automation

Nah, I just misread your post. Thinking you were saying only the elite would have access to good AI technology.

Sure, no job is safe in the long run unless it's something the customer demands be done by a human, like a blowjob.

the meme that people will have jobs maintaining robots once human labor is obsolete needs to go away

Ok. Please inform us how a capitalist economy would work when robots/computers are superior to human workers in every occupation.

>itt communist shilling

when will /leftypol/ stop brigading us?

Dependency on a single, large entity (the government) is extremely bad. You are no longer a... man. You can no longer pave your way. You are no longer self-determined. All of your freedom is also gone, as the person who funds you, controls you.

In the 1980s, essentially zero private sector jobs were predicted to exist on what is now the internet. Within a decade it was a multi multi billion dollar industry. Now it's a sizable portion of all global business. Automation will change the world again. AI will change the world further. Space exploitation will change the world to a near unrecognizable state. We can't predict just yet what will happen, but I have all confidence in human ingenuity to invent entirely new fields of need/commerce/employment to compensate as always.

Naysayers are simply modern Luddites.

>1. Not all jobs will be replaced by AI. At least not within our lifetimes.

That's absolutely correct, I suspect by the 2050s though, the impacts will start to become apparent. Also this is just a technicality, but be careful not to mix 'AI' with 'Automation', I get what you're saying, but they're quite different concepts if you look into them. For one, an automated program doesn't "think", it just performs tasks accordingly.

Program robots to be consumers, duh! Fleshbags are going to starve though.

We can finally autonomously build factories on Mars, building more robots, to build more factories, to build more robots, to build colonies and terraformation infrastructure.

On asteroids will be autonomously converted into space elevators. More gold, silver, and platinum will rain down from asteroid mining operations than has ever previously been mined.

fake news!!!!