Lol so true

Lol so true

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you'll never escape the earth gravity with solar panels and batteries.

check mate.

orale carlos why you always talk earth politics when you drink mang

>i know litterally nothing about energy production: the post

kill yourself leaf

Degenerate aliens need to clean up their act, this is a civilized new era of the God emperor

>implying trump wasn't talking about space nazis when he spoke about his high flying friends

user i...don't know how to break it to you.

>lefty environmentalists think solar panels and the rare earth metals used to make them just grow on trees
>they don't think tons of pollution is created and energy used to make a solar panel

Many such cases -- sad!

>gravity

we know how to harness energy from the sun (although with very low efficiency) but we don't know how to store it (very well). Once we do we'll switch over to oil quickly.

solar power
>crisp and clean, easy to obtain
Oil
>black, messy and heavily guarded by Muslims

Idk you Americunt, Seems like a no brainer

>oil
>nuclear furnace
>sun nuclear furnace
you guys are idiots, the sun is a light bulb not a nuclear campfire in space, the universe is electric, gravity is not the main force in the universe, electromagnetism is.

This is why I'm opposed to our reliance on non-renewable energy sources. It's a stupid waste of uranium. Remember how the Pre-Columbian Native Americans got fucked up because they ate their horses instead of learning to domesticate them? 2,000 years from now we're going to go "why did we use that fissile material to incinerate Japanese people and power our TV sets? It would so much easier to create small distortions in reality to transmit encoded matter across vast interstellar distances if we still had some damn uranium".

Yeah easy for those ayys to look down on us from their post-scarcity society.

Never say never. Solar power -> Antimatter generation -> Antimatter reaction powers ship.

Already being researched in Switzerland

The alien in the middle is THE BLACK MAN lol Samuel L Jackson..

>I can use the sun to lubricate my engine
>I can use the sun to create plastic

wow you sure got me

>implying solar is a viable energy source
Nuclear is the only viable long-term energy source. Nuclear power is the future. The only reason we haven't switched over completely to nuclear is the coal and oil lobbies.

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solar cells aren't efficient enough to power mass scale yet

Fucking leaf, its more storage problem than energy problem, battery technology comes way behind energy technology.

solar power is still really inefficient. The panels we have now degrade by the year. Now if we funneled a bit of that Oil cheese into the solar sector and activated some almonds we might get somewhere. but untill then the usa has to crush some sandcastles

Nuclear
>clean, safe, effecient, abundant
Civilization in the coming centuries will be powered solely by nuclear power.

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try again

Any serious solar power setup needs tens of thousands of dollars in deep cycle batteries and related equipment. It's not like you can plop a few solar cells on your roof and call it a day.

While solar power has become a lot cheaper, there's still a long way to go before coal plants go away.

>leaf education

Ayy lmaos are worse than libtards

Well no, one won't obviously. A whole field though?

>not using high density plasma to store your energy
Plebeian moron.

>t. Country that's not a super power

What about Maglev... ramps? Those are neat.

It is more expensive and turns out less power.

Fields of solar panels would be a good start, and people have wrote about this idea before.

>cordon off a large area in subsaharan africa
>hundreds and hundreds of miles of solar panels
>power distributed through the world for a nominal fee

We won't reach this until energy transport becomes cheaper.

Energy density dumbass. The internet would die without conventional power.

Let's talk thorium salt nuclear reactors.

wtf i hate ayy lmaos now

You obviously don't understand how much nuclear material we have available. There is no scenario where we could possibly run out of nuclear material.

>post-scarcity society.
Literally impossible, life isnt star trek user

josh dolin?

Oh and the U.S is?

Last time I checked you had a nigger in power. That's shameful

>being wrong
>insulting leaders when you STILL have pic related
This is bait but still
Wew lad

I run my house off grid and on solar. Let me tell you, its not replacing anything, any time soon. Biggest hurdles being batteries and cost. Efficiency matters very little, just means smaller panels. Cost and a way to store them. Lithium comes close but costs a lot and is VERY unstable and easily damaged. Lead acid is far to bulky, finicky and not up to the intense loads the powergrid demands. Also the cost of all those electronics turning dc into ac for the grid adds up. Solar will remain useful for small micro power like mine. The only real solution is cutting edge nuclear reactors, hydro power and in the mean time good old fashioned coal. Electric cars will never be a thing until it can price compete with a gas car. They are superior, better acceleration, quiet, way more reliable. They still lack a proper battery that is reliable and cheap enough to make it worth it. A 100 kw battery under 300 lbs with a cycle life over 5000 at 80% DOD would be the point where electric cars would be viable. Me and my grandpa where talking today about technology. Seems like other than computers there really hasn't been anything new in the last 50 years, while the previous 50 years it was night and day difference. it has mostly been improvements in metallurgy, micro transistors, oils and communication infrastructure, (satellite, cell phone etc.) but beyond that not much has changed. What we lack is a proper economy. It would literally be the fucking jetsons right now if we didn't fuck the economy over with service bullshit, china as preferred trade partner and no gold standard. We would have been so wealthy but our leaders sold us out. The fed has robbed us of wealth, uncle sam robbed us of opportunity. All the tech we come up with know exists to pad news articles and be the toys of the rich.

>He doesn't know that graphene can be shot with a laser for thrust.
>He doesn't know that graphene can be used as a 60% efficient solar panel.
>He doesn't know that graphene has the same energy storage density as lithium ion batteries.

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At least he was born here

pre-Columbian native Americans didn't have horses dumbfuck.

Energy storage is the biggest problem because of the way the grid works and how inconsistent solar and wind are. You have to maintain the base load and you can't do that when a cloud can fuck everything.

Yeah, because they hunted them to extinction.

Which makes it even worse. Are you trying to embarrass yourself?

hmm it must be that we don't use solar and wind power because were stupid. it couldn't have anything to do with them being ineffective.

this is you, this is how retarded you and people like you look. stop being like you.

>Solar power
>Sustainable
>Everything dies at night or on a cloudy day

>Liberal Leafcuck knowledge

>oil
>not (((banking)))
I hate jewbook memes

those were bad creatures though. unlike buffalo which are sacred.


Those other extant animals were shit tier.

>He doesn't know laser propulsion exists

look at this pleb

Plants grew, and produced the molecule lignin with solar energy. The lignin formed jet, which sunk beneath the Earth, where a small amount of it was pressure cooked into coal and oil.

The best coal is graphite. Graphite is composed of a jumbled mess of graphene planes. Turning this into pure graphene is convoluted, and you're better off leaving it in the Earth and synthesizing new graphene from an iron-lignin mixture.

I have no idea why you're obsessed with burning dead plants, but I can tell you that you can convert atmospheric CO2 from your combustion engine into graphene.

Your species is ruled by it's children - low-minded gutter trash that get off on denying other members of the species wealth. Africa is to the west as the west is to space - you're a bunch of apes.

Stop knocking rocks together and start making the rocks.

we just need two really big magnets
set up one on earth and then drop the other ontop so it levitates

>Implying we will run out of nuclear material in the next 10,000 years

1: Create electricity with graphene solar panels.
2: Funnel the juice to electric ovens.
3: Obtain iron and raw plant material.
4: Turn the plant material to a powder, mix it with iron and cook it in the ovens.
5: Take the graphene and heat it until it turns into a vapor.

At that point, you have a coal and oil manufacturing plant - except you don't have to bother with brown people.

Step up your game, Earthlings. Make yourselves more interesting.

> solar
> clean

Except the open cut mining needing to dig up millions of tonnes of metals to make then, the mercury inside and how toxic they are to cleanup. jesus christ, leaf education.

Let's keep killing each other for oil then. I sure as hell don't wanna be visited by aliens.

plants need CO2 to fucking live you idiot

taking CO2 from the atmosphere to make stuff is a horrible idea

>he doesn't know graphene is delicate as fuck and currently impossible to mass-manufacture

this, those star niggers probably all have space aids.

You can make carbon with helium fusion. If you keep fusing, you get uranium. The uranium is turned into Pu-239 via fission, which lasts 25,000 years.

LOL @ humans for thinking that fusion is for power.

The Pu-239 is used to make a Radiothermal Generator. While weak, the RTG provides a constant influx of power to your graphene batteries.

You get a cookie if you can tell me what fluorine and strontium have to do with this.

Why would you use rarer, more expensive materials? Use graphene.

There's, what, like a century of U-238? Much much more of the not so useful U-235.

That's not actually that long.

>nuclear isn't renewable

Every moment we aren't exploiting renewables is is energy wasted.

>OP points out that we've advanced technologically but not psychologically as a species
>thread consists of debates over how we should make our lives easier at the expense of our planet and the perpetuation of a system designed to exploit third world countries

Fuck man, I'm disappointed in you Sup Forums

Correct, it isn't renuable because by nuclear we mean fissile material, which is finite in Earth's crust. How much of it we can use and thus how long it will last depends on future technological developments.

>illegal aliens

reddit out

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So they know how to have a healthy economy but they commit mass murder to push socialism?

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My state is going through a heatwave and because of renewable energy we're having power outages let and right because it can't keep up with demand.

Fuck that guy

Green energy and renewables are based. There's only one tiny problem; they don't provide enough energy.

Solar power is negligible for transport. It is mainly used for electricity generation. Oil is used for transport and not electricity (save Hawaii). The two are not competing products.

I didn't know you could make energy. Anyways have a dyson sphere

>when you think you're smart but you don't know shit about ratio of power collect vs power stored because of capacitors technology gap.

>wants clean energy
>doesn't advocate nuclear power plants

Are aliens white?

B-BUT MUH CHRENBUL MUH FUKSHEMALE

Singapore education

Stupid canuck. Take a look at worldwide energy usage. You would have to cover an area roughly half the area of the united states with panels to replace all our FF energy usage and move it to the consumer.

The main problem isn't producing the energy its storing and moving it. A massive amount of energy is lost through electrical wires. Plus renewable rely on wind and sunshine which is not steady and constant so the grid needs to be supplemented to meet peaks and during production downturns.

Oil and coal on the other hand are extremely energy dense and convenient to transport.

Plus basically everything in modern production uses petroleum based products in some form or another.

Until we refine more advanced reactors Fossil Fuels are always going to be a thing.

Hey, great idea. we should adopt solar energy and get off petroleum. so we can get back to killing each other over something sensible.

like religion.

Which is why I expect the power to go out in a few hours here because everyone is going to get home from work and switch on their AC.

libtards can't make memes; its like a form of autism that strikes liberals only

>literal science-fiction tier technology

You do realize the trans-ferritics are only made in supernova right? I'm an actual fucking fusion scientist and will tell you that we're not even close to fusing hydrogen efficiently, let alone making carbon. Making uranium with fusion is a fucking pipe dream, it'd be easier to crack open a planet and harvest heavy isotopes from the core than to use fusion

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

U-235 is the fissionable one. U-238 is only good for making plutonium which we in the US can't even do because muh NRC, muh proliferation and terrorism

actually the strong nuclear force is the main force in the universe

>plants need CO2 to fucking live you idiot

I don't care about the plants, and it's stupid to use CO2 from the air to make graphene - combustion engines produce much more concentrated gas. Just stick a vacuum onto your muffler, and funnel the CO2 into a graphene vessel lined with copper. The result is more graphene, which is then removed by raising the pH inside of the vessel with nitrogen - ammonia.

>he doesn't know graphene is delicate as fuck

You're referring to fracture toughness. Graphene's is 4MPa. Concrete is about 1MPa or less, and glass is less than 1MPa.

So, take some portland cement, mix it with gravel, and let it dry. The result is 4x more delicate, or more accurately brittle, than graphene. If concrete is good enough for roads and buildings, so is graphene. Also, we solve concrete's problems with rebar - you can do the same with graphene. Steel is iron and carbon, and graphene-metal composites are basically super steel.

>and currently impossible to mass-manufacture

Functionalizing it is the problem, actually. Powdered graphite is a jumbled stack of graphene sheets - you have to fuse those sheets together at the edges into one big sheet.

As well, graphene loses it's features when you bend it into a 3D configuration - it can't be folded up. Instead, the sheets have to be crosslinked with other molecules.

The best molecule to do that is carbyne, which is supposedly even stronger than graphene. As well, by pulling on the edge of graphene sheets, a length of carbyne wire is created, hanging off the graphene. You bring the end of the carbyne wire into contact with another graphene sheet, and shoot photons at it - this provides the eV required to fuse the loose end of the wire to the second graphene sheet.

The result is something like super bakelite. Combined with metals for ductility - and the crosslinking is already providing some ductility - the result is a very strong, soft material.

Maybe its because libtards are mostly women and women aren't funny?

>the sun is a light bulb

Does it give off more heat than light?

Nigger, the fact you're posting on this faggot image board is thanks to oil. You fucking dope

it is not humanity in general that is evil, it is our leaders. a Reptilian race is influencing the outcome of our civilization in a negative way. The Illuminati picks leaders who are suceptible to evil...pedos...sociopaths....globalists

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Same thing. Ever seen the coils on a stove glow?

Well, the sun is a lot hotter. So it glows white.

Doesn't China control most of the rare earth metals though?

but the sun is yellow irl

>actual fusion scientist

Hey does it really take a breeder fission reactor to make the tritium the fusion reactor needs? Doesn't that requirement in the logistics chain make the whole thing a bit uneconomical?

Then why aren't clouds yellow?

Fantastic, now please tell me your magical industrial graphene fusing and linking process Mr. Apparent Future Billionaire

I'm not pessimistic about our ability to one day do it but graphene may just prove to be a curiosity, a scientific dead end. It's not viable for a 10-20 year down the road solution. Also the delta-v required to get something off the earth's surface is too much for a graphene laser sail anyway, it's much more efficient to use a chemical rocket to get into LEO than to build a facility with an enormous footprint and gigawatts of laser power