>be in PIG class >Have to detail what you believe would be a perfect government system and present it to the class >I outlined and broke down the structure of the government from 1984, and all the little details that went into assuring the upper class stayed in power >Feminist in my class (one literally has purple hair, their government system was based around making the world run on clean energy, no foreign policy, no social order, they didn't have an explanation for the millions of people without jobs from getting rid of oil production) >Lose their shit, say it would never work and that it's evil and people are too good >Teacher has head in hands, literally says "it'd work it's been done before" to every little thing I say >"It's evil and disgusting but it's the best working system any of you have presented" >Laugh at the femi-bitches
Tbh, Sup Forums, I just didn't want to think up my own original system so I took examples from Stalinist era Russia and 1984. But I got to thinking, why would a government like this not work? I mean, there's no threat of a rebellion if your middle class is struck down by fear and your proletariat working class is so uneducated and uninformed they don't know what's going on. Why would 1984 not work in a post rebellion world?
Bentley Gomez
I'll take "Shit that never happened" for 300 Alex,
Christopher Turner
bumpity trumpity
Hudson Stewart
Because considering advances in communication technology, you can't suppress information on the scale that the government of 1984 did.
Liam Carter
post more of dat ass
Lucas Scott
>Why would 1984 not work in a post rebellion world?
Because 1776 will commence again
Adam Lopez
Send shills to the forums they organise on, start smear campaigns on prominant conspiracy theorists, also infiltrate their communities with plants.
Imagine if Alex Jones worked for the NSA/CIA/Whatnot
Also try to dumb down the population by importing shitskins. But don't go as quickly as Merkel did and cause protests, just a like 100k per year.
A few generations the average IQ will have dropped by 10-20 points and people will be too stupid to rebell effectively.
On the other hand you have to deal with policing a population of nignogs, although you can make them less rowdy by putting xenestrogens in the drinking water.
Henry Bailey
Well 1984 took place in the 50's and people had phones and mail and what not. Obviously the internet would be a problem but I mean North Korea restricts it's countries internet and they sort of live under the same ignorance even in this day and age. Also all other counties had the same system as Oceania in 1984 because they all benefited from being constantly at "war" with each other
Ryder Turner
The British assumed as much with the colonies. That sort of strong armed governance only lasts so long before the next enlightenment. Notice how none of the soviet style governments in history exist now as they did earlier china is the only long term communist state which has maintained its ideology throughout it's existence. The primary reason it is able to do so is because of its geography, not because it has sound political and economic practices.
Joshua Ward
>he primary reason it is able to do so is because of its geography
Explain pls, this sounds interesting and I'd like to know more.
Charles Kelly
>1984 took place in the 50's
Zachary Ward
>Because considering advances in communication technology, you can't suppress information on the scale that the government of 1984 did. wrong.
the press does it now. Check Sweden. Or how about you watch the nightly news in phoenix. The new will only report the color of the skin of the perp (or name) if he's white. If he's Hispanic or black you get ZERO. they'll call him a "male, 20-30, 6", and wearing a blue hat"
This is why the baseline rapist was able to rape and murder 20+ women. Because the news refused to release and identifying features that might suggest he was Latino. They wouldn't even release very accurate and good sketches done of him by sketch artists.
Heck, it's gotten to the point i now know we're not talking about a white man when listening to the news if they avoid talking about the suspects name or race.
Gabriel Walker
North Korea is a bad example, since they are so technologically far behind. There's a picture floating around where their computer mouses still have trackballs, lel.
Lucas Davis
Figure this basically.
Dominic Hernandez
nice retarded fake story you fucking fag
Easton Allen
but alas user you can
Grayson Sullivan
MOAR FUCKING ASS RETARD
Kayden Rodriguez
Dude. China.
Its easy for the government to control communication.
Hell, look how easily the middle east companies can turn off all social media whenever they need to quash unrest. And there fucking 3rd world shitholes.
Wyatt Gutierrez
>fake news
Matthew Wood
He still posted an interesting question.
Gavin Thompson
>Well 1984 took place in the 50's
Grayson Turner
>didnt do nat soc and removing central banks
You had one job.
Owen Robinson
*BBBBBRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP*
Mason Powell
>But I got to thinking, why would a government like this not work? I mean, there's no threat of a rebellion if your middle class is struck down by fear and your proletariat working class is so uneducated and uninformed they don't know what's going on. Why would 1984 not work in a post rebellion world?
So, you want to live in a world where everyone is scared or stupid? Guess what. You're living in it.
Liam Butler
>name it's good, but not post worthy
Levi Thomas
I've done something similar before.
>People arguing about gun control >Step in and start arguing FOR gun control as if I were the government >Complete monopoly on all use of force, no matter how justified >They all knew I was being facetious, but the combination of revelation and disgust welling up in them was fantastic
Tyler Jackson
true, her outfit makes her look curvier than she is. that said, I'm not regularly fucking something that pretty, so post more, ass zits, wiry hair, and shit stains included
Grayson Walker
It takes place in the 80's, but was published in 1949. They could not have known in the late 40's what technology would exist in the 80's.
Ryan Williams
>didn't present National Socialism Fail OP
Eli Rodriguez
Sure you can, just post 'Drumpf' enough
John White
I'm fucking retarded I meant it was written in like the 50's era, maybe the late 40's I'm sure it was written after animal farm
Luis Brooks
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Daniel Lopez
I never said I wanted it, just asked if it'd remain stable
Julian Gomez
It was written in the late-40s.
Back then, it was entirely conceivable that the government could control the production and distribution of telephones and physical mail.
The threat still remains that humans are manipulable, authoritarianism will always be possible.
Angel Long
Does a rebellion have to exist for this government to take control? Say right now the US was thrown into civil war leaded by the upper middle class against the wealthiest people. Would they try to make a government similar to the IGNSOC government of 1984 that uses the fear of going back to the old system as a way to scare people into conforming into their ways. I recently read "animal farm" too and whenever the animals had any questions about their system, they were simply asked if they didn't have trust in the system it wouldn't work, and if they wanted the humans to come back. Would this fear mongering be the norm in post rebellion US ?
Carson Moore
>you can't suppress information on the scale that the government of 1984 did
Maybe not, but you can deem it unreliable. Or better yet, make it so that there's so much information out there that people cannot decide what to focus on - the basis of the far more relevant Brave New World.
Ian Thompson
should have presented a givernment system based around anarchy where everyone can do what they want and self govern their own clans but there is one overwhelming force tp keep any wars from breaking out or people killing each other.
Easton Thompson
Brave new world would've been a better example cause USSR did fall
Kevin Kelly
it doesn't represent a society in the 40's. and the technology is far more advanced than it was in the 40's. Most of it isn't even made-up bullshit, Orwell did actually quite a good job in describing a far more developed technology, which advances are already reached in our today's world.
So yeah I agree with your original argument
Lincoln Evans
Oil is why we have no jobs.
Austin Wilson
Or don't allow refugees in. High-IQ people are easy to control.
Levi Bell
Yeah, I remember sepcifically in 1984 when they all the sudden changed who they were at war with. All the banners and announcements didn't change, and the inner party members blamed spies and evil figureheads for the mishappening, figments that everyone hated but no one could catch, yet it made it look like great progress was being made to stop these figticious perpetrators. Then they'd simply spend the next few days changing every major document
Blake Perry
You're assuming you would be one of the comfortable party members. You are a prole just like the rest of us. Do you want to work heavy labor with little or no opportunity for advancement?
Carter Adams
Baaaaaaaaam that ass I can fap to this
Justin Lopez
So a Confederacy? That wouldn't work, clans would bicker among themselves to much. It worked for the Ireqouis nations of new York because they were so small and primitive but wouldn't work on a larger scale say for the Confederacy in the US civil war.
Jacob Nguyen
We have this place called the "internet" where everyone can educate themselves.
Liam Gray
Good trolling but if you actually think tyrannical government is good then you need to do some soul searching.
Owen Garcia
What'd with all these fucking newfags touting 1984 pleb shit. Orwell got the ideology completely wrong
Brave new world was way more accurate, people are responsible for their own misinformation, not the government hiding everything
You can see this on display fucking daily
Kayden Moore
>1984 takes place in the 50's
Henry Thompson
I think the system would be an awful way to treat your people but I'm asking if it would remain intact. If you want a government that stands with no rebellion or civil unrest I'm asking if this is the only way to do it
Nolan Flores
the idea of a divine mandate coupled with china's continuous economic growth influences it as well
Landon Edwards
>1984 took places in the 50s You are mentally uneducated
Blake Ortiz
Post more niggresses
Kevin Johnson
Little things would have to change, society as a big one. But we could make that work I'm sure.
Jace Adams
>1984 took place in the 50s
Jose Jackson
I don't think so, they'd be more likely to notice something is wrong with the current system.
How would they be more easy to control?
Ethan Moore
You got some kind of PowerPoint or Word Handout? If so, post pls
Joseph Campbell
Brave New World is more accurate for what we are heading towards, but 1984 was more accurate for what we saw in the 20th century
How long did the USSR last? North Korea still operates like this. China I don't know how bad they still are but they had Tienanmen square in '89 It's not actually more stable than the western democracies because people are repressed. The most stable system is one where everyone is able to voice their concerns and ideas. The problem with the west is that we are removing people's ability to voice their concerns and the elites are pushing immigration from overly different cultures against the will of the nation.
Absolute Necessity of Free speech: If you can't talk you are a slave or a tyrant. 1) Talk 2) Capitulate 3) Fight Fundamental call of the west: Strengthen individuality Learn how to articulate yourself Educate yourself so as to not be a pushover
We don't need to suppress Marxist ideas coming out of academia and taking over the left we need more people challenging them.
Jace White
It's supposed to represent the year 1948
Jose Mitchell
this is where Huxley figured the right thing, overwhelm people with information so much that they cannot tell whats real and what is not
Dylan White
>was more accurate No it wasn't
It was the left fantasizing about the right going more extreme, which is a common fantasy of the left. Do you believe them now when the call the right literal nazis?
The only thing 1984 was on point about was governments ability to spin or hide what it's doing, and language manipulation. The ideologies that motivate these things is now the right as the retarded leftists Orwell thoughr, but in fact, progressivism and socialism.
Brave new world got human motivation and human nature and what that leads to accurately, and he's only being confirmed more by the day
Kayden Howard
Come to Russia, lol. "Stability" has been used as a reason to scare and dumb people. Knowing what the country has been through in the 90s - a conversion to full-scale 3rd world shitole - I can perfectly understand why it worked, though.
t.russian
Sebastian Nguyen
>is not the right
Angel Murphy
That's why we have the overwhelming military force to crush shit. No human soldiers or generals. Just A.I controlled bots. The clans would have no access to modern technology due to a certain war long ago and have no hopes of opposing the bots. However, the bots will not interfere with the humans way of life as long as there are no wars or fighting amongst themseleves. It could work since humans have an emotionless entity standing above them
Adam Mitchell
It wouldn't work because economics
Jeremiah Phillips
What if we destroyed the economy?
Samuel Walker
Then just make it socialist
Tyler Thomas
Orwell hated communism user, he hated all totalitarian governments. Animal Farm is explicitly an allegory for the Russian revolution
Benjamin Brooks
Communism was quite similar to 1984 bud.
Henry Phillips
Finland basically does this as well. Think the average Finnish dude who gets his local newspaper and watches the news on TV. Maybe he reads some news website.
ALL of them are in on the same media control. We don't get anything about what Putin is doing, aside from some boogieman news that try to get people think NATO is good for us. Most of the real stuff that happens all over the world is never talked about in our media.
Jaxon Taylor
Even if the press here is owned by (((them))) it doesn't matter. the swedish people know what is going on, some just denie it because they can't accept it.
Connor Perry
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Nicholas Turner
Do you realize how the internet works? Internet backbones can be severed and you would be in the dark.
It's not just a bunch of autonomous tubes.
Thomas Wood
Obviously it would be destroyed if you went with something like that. Centralized economies does not work. Look at russia, look at pre-90's india, look at past china, etc.
>socialist >working pick one
Nolan Rodriguez
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Josiah Miller
Capitalism does not work. Socialism is the only way.
Hunter Bell
>Forcing people to do things under the threat of death is acceptable >Totally not tyranny or fascism >It's legit, guys! I swear! Every time.
Cameron Adams
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Angel Harris
Socialism does not work. Socialism necessitates immigration and immigration kills socialism. Capitalism is the least bad economic system we have right now.
Jayden Sullivan
>I would got with 1970s because they had Monty Python and the era that had Monty Python was indeed the best year ever.
Jeremiah Lewis
I enjoyed this thoroughly
Nathan Ward
He was a socialist though, 1984 was a right wing government
It was written as a smear to a candidate at the time
Yea, it's called cognitive dissonance. He hated the ussr, like most leftists, because it set a bad example
Joseph Kelly
Capitalism is the worst economic system ever
You're totally not trolling
Landon Nelson
>is the worst > prosperity increases as economic freedom increases Huh. Really makes you think
Jackson King
What candidate?
Matthew Morris
Literally not an argument.
Jackson Bennett
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Owen Taylor
Prosperity increases the more government increases.
Jordan Ross
It's even worse today, instead of deliberately removing the information they just throw so much garbage information at you that the truth is quickly diluted and washed away.
Gabriel Clark
>Capitalism is the worst economic system ever
Christian Ward
>says this >completely oblivious to the state of Sup Forums now Or are you a shill?
Jonathan Long
You're totally not projecting.
>It wasn't real socialism
Josiah Wilson
I don't get this meme, are you pretending to kill the guys in the image with a machine gun for being subservient?
Caleb Hill
1984 was a criticism of totalitarian left wing politics
Brayden Reyes
A laissez-faire libertarian democracy with strong ethno-nationalisitic undercurrents. Kek bless.
Brayden Ross
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Ryder Perry
What you're talking about is perfect totalitarianism, and indeed it is a type of state that can last perpetually. However, perfect totalitarianism needs to be able to adapt to physical problems as well. It would need to be able to colonize space to ensure it's own existence. This means the state needs a scientific class that can solve these sorts of problems, however, the state also knows new technologies can introduce instabilities into the system itself. So the question is, how could a perfect totalitarian state get the benefits of new technologies without the disruptions?
The answer is simple, they need to create simulations to see what happens in the long run. Furthermore, because perfect totalitarianism sacrifices freedom in exchange for stability it's possible some technologies would never be discovered. However, simulations can solve that as well. Sandbox simulations of humanity can help the ruling class of perfect totalitarian states gauge which changes would be for the best in the long term without the actual risks involved in discovering the ramifications of those changes.
Caleb Diaz
Do i give a rats fuck?
Proof is all around you, look into yourself
>Capitalism is right because Jebuz says i need to beleive in capitalism to go to heaven hue heu Literal mental illness
Hudson Phillips
Orwell was a socialist, capitalists are too dumb to read