The Make Movement- a movement where people use their free time to work outside their profession- is a continuation of societal collapse.
Civilization exists because we rely on each other's specialization.
The Maker Movement is people thinking that they can do their hobbies better than others can do their jobs.
What in the fuck are you talking about?
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>The Maker Movement is people thinking that they can do their hobbies better than others can do their jobs.
>implying you can't shitpost better than ctr
Your tears nourish me, Russian.
Are you afraid that a hobbyist will take your basket weaving job?
For the vast history of civilization, most people have been entirely reliant on themselves and their immediate communities for day to day survival.
On the contrary. The maker movement is literally civilization.
The majority of things are fixable or doable by yourself. Its (figuratively) the jews going against the people by trying to make things unrepairable at home intentionally. And even so people are still fixing shit themselves.
Unique screws that need specialized tools, not giving you electrical plans anymore like they used too, not being able to buy spare parts. All those things are now a staple to electronics or generally most things. Why? Because of greed.
The maker movement only started growing because they tried to supress the people doing stuff on their own, so an actuall movement popped up.
>Unique screws that need specialized tools, not giving you electrical plans anymore like they used too
Safety and Liability. Blame litigious lawyers.
not being able to buy spare parts.
Not worth it to fix most appliances- because American labor is expensive- which is good.
> Because of greed.
Surely you pay your landlord more than he asks?...
>The maker movement only started growing because they tried to supress the people doing stuff on their own, so an actuall movement popped up.
The Maker Movement IS THE JEWS encouraging people to waste money on tools that will rarely be used- to build products that are terrible. In the end people will realize their products are shit AND end up buying the real-deal from PROFESSIONALS.
>Ending is better than mending. The more stitches, the less riches.
The first part I agree with.
I also agree with the second- but the thing is that BOTH SIDES are more rich with specialization (which the Maker Movement opposes).
Literally degenerate just what everyone would expect from a fucking leaf.
You are saying that getting into woodworking or electronics is a bad thing because there are people who do it professionaly? That's like stopping fucking because there are pornstars.
You don't have to buy shit to make something. You just need parts everyone can buy for a few cents. You have to practice and become better at a craft. That's how people were doing it for thousands of years now. Just because you are a beta doesn't mean that the rest of the world is also inept.
>safety and liability
Not really, its so you have to buy from official resellers, or get repairs from official shops. Literally the only reason.
>not worth fixing most appliances
Well because of the lack of plans and easy accesible spare parts. And mostly that statement is straight up false. Most things are cheaper to repair if you know what you are doing.
>the jews selling tools
Haha yea, a set of screws, a hammer, pliers and maybe a drill... oh boy are they making mad bank. That shit costs nothing and lasts for generations.
What a pointless post. Pls consider suicide, leaf
>Literally degenerate just what everyone would expect from a fucking leaf.
How can you say that while choking on Jamal's dick?
>You are saying that getting into woodworking or electronics is a bad thing because there are people who do it professionaly?
No. What I'm saying is that one should dedicate enough time into a hobby to make learning such things possible.
> That's like stopping fucking because there are pornstars.
You can't buy the feeling of sex, so it's necessary to get itno this hobby.
>You don't have to buy shit to make something.
Oh. Explain.
> You just need parts everyone can buy for a few cents. You have to practice and become better at a craft. That's how people were doing it for thousands of years now. Just because you are a beta doesn't mean that the rest of the world is also inept.
This is called 'assembly,' not 'making.' We don't call Pizza Hut workers chefs- they are assemblers.
>The Maker Movement is people thinking that they can do their hobbies better than others can do their jobs.
Not really. It was just an extension of DIY. It's more about the pleasure to do thing by yourself, and how you feel proud for that.
It's also because your society over developed the principle of services, people feel the need to pay someone else to build ikea furniture. Or fix anything in their home. Not because they have the money but because they thing they can't.
The uberisation/jewerisation of everything, not in it's weak form when employees become independent workers so their company doesn't have to give a shit about them, but in it's strong form when every one become an independent worker for every one on everything, the mercantilization of the simple social act of giving a hand to your neighbor, this is the problem you describe.
> Not really, its so you have to buy from official resellers, or get repairs from official shops. Literally the only reason.
If it was profitable to sell user-serviceable items, then why does it not happen?..it's because the time it takes to repair a product could buy you a new item.
>OP is retarded today
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better than a brain dead culture of shopping all the time; muh endorphins
this and checked.
Fuck off degenerate, Duerte is doing god's work in getting rid of scum like you.
This notion is beyond retarded. Though many makergroups have a communist or anarchist Vibe to it, making in general doesn't. With this logic we wouldnt have the sten or the kalashnikov as Well as many other inventions
Wrooong. Tvs and other electrical appliances used to come with electrical plans, they do not anymore. So its a lot harder to fix it yourself.
You could also hop down to your local electrics store and buy pretty much every part. Nowadays its chock full of specialized items, that dont really need to be in the appliance, but are there so you cannot replace parts that easy.
>it's because the time it takes to repair a product could buy you a new item
Well said, this is why they try so hard to make things unservicable. Since they know they will make you buy a new item from them.
I am not against innovation. I am against people wasting time on secondary professions, aka hobbies, aka time-wasters.
Joke's on you, I never had great times.
>Tvs and other electrical appliances used to come with electrical plans
Electronics are the same complexity and delicacy as 30 years ago?...
> Nowadays its chock full of specialized items, that dont really need to be in the appliance, but are there so you cannot replace parts that easy.
Oh, so you are using a flip phone?
> Since they know they will make you buy a new item from them.
No gun, no force.
that is one of duertes people, he has a good head on his shoulders and knows how to use it. you dont. you dont seem to grasp the notion that not being dependent on the government for your needs is a good thing.
>rely on govt. to provide you food and shelter, with all the taxes and tarrif price hikes that come with it
or
>learn how to make/grow them for yourself, navigating around any aforementioned cost whilst also improving yourself as a person
hmm tough choice.
saged because rake day isnt here yet.
>If you are not working all day every day in my factory, only taking breaks to sleep and maybe eat if your lucky, you are wasting your time goy
This is exactly it. There's a trend now were components for fridges and freezers are sealed units, so just swapping a burnt out motor for a new one is out of the question.
Same thing with televisions. Chances are the issue is a blown transistor, but good luck finding out which one does what.
Yes.
Back then the electronics used to be even more delicate. Complexity? Sure might be increased nowdays, but then again we have computers as well to you know simplify things a ton.
People are too intimidated by most things when they are actually rather simple once you understand them a bit.
>no gun no force
Wrong again. Threat of violence is not the only force availible.
>rely on govt. to provide you food and shelter
Government does not provide food/shelter- people do. And people relying on people is civilization.
Day of the drain can't come soon enough.
Since when are leafs such dicks?
Dude's just pointing out we live in a throw-away society.
An economy has been built around this and if we disrupt it (like OP suggests), there will be ripples.
>...another English characteristic which is so much a part of us that we barely notice it, and that is the addiction to hobbies and spare-time occupations, the privateness of English life. We are a nation of flower-lovers, but also a nation of stamp-collectors, pigeon-fanciers, amateur carpenters, coupon-snippers, darts-players, crossword-puzzle fans. All the culture that is most truly native centres round things which even when they are communal are not official – the pub, the football match, the back garden, the fireside and the “nice cup of tea”.
Are you really this dumb? I just gave you examples of thibgs that were invented by people in a secondary profession...
You just reminded me of the modern cistern which is everywhere now.
>old: float and cock, mechanical, can be worked on even without tools
>new: sealed monstrosity that barely fucking works and needs replacing because 'something happened'
Same issue with the carburettor and fuel injection.
Repairing has been decreasing for 60 years. Why is it a problem only now?
>profession
>secondary
L2English
It was always a problem. People are now, due to changing cultural and economic reasons, actually wanting to do something about it.
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You got BTFO the last time cancuck, what makes you think this is gonna be any different?
The only bad thing about the Maker Movement is how it has been (((overtaken))) by sjws.
But there's nothing good in this world that doesn't eventually have to fight that cancer.
You know, makers and hackers spread and preserve the knowledge that would be lost, when the companies, that make specific things go bust. This furthers a civilization.
I have a friend, who just buys all his shit, be spends as much time getting it all to work, or be according to his will, as I do, making it myself. Tell me, who's gaining more insight here?
But on the other hand, it's the next step in rampant individualism, to say that you made this and that yourself.
Repairing is decreasing because products are generally uneconomical to fix by the time that they break. And the ones that break prematurely do not warrant the cost of making repair possible (repairable design and available parts).
or you could be Mexican and scavenge and process the metals, rare-earths etc from the trash everyone throws out
Yes goyim. Spend all your time awake working.
>products are generally uneconomical to fix by the time that they break
What does this even mean? A television is still a television if you change a transistor, just like a washing machine in still a washing machine if you change the belt or motor. As long as its cheaper to repair (spoilers if its not, it is intended to be that way) then it will of course be economical to repair rather than buy, even if you take it to, or call out, an engineer to do it for you.
>And the ones that break prematurely do not warrant the cost of making repair possible
Only because your kind of thinking benefits those that design it that way. This is why Sup Forums still goes mad for 10-year old Thinkpads - every part can be changed for another part, and those parts are plentiful and cheap.
But I can mow a lawn better than a Mexican landscaper. And I can shoot a gun better than a female police officer. And I could probably suck a dick or get reamed in the ass better than a Canadian, but you guys are really good at that and I've never tried, so I don't know.
>You know, makers and hackers spread and preserve the knowledge that would be lost, when the companies, that make specific things go bust.
Anything worth preserving is sold (as patent) or written in text books.
> Tell me, who's gaining more insight here?
Neither. Your friend is an idiot and you are wasting your time.
>But on the other hand, it's the next step in rampant individualism, to say that you made this and that yourself.
Individualism does not preclude trade. Trade is man acknowledging that he is not all-knowing- and mutually respecting each's strengths.
Where is your flip phone?...surely there is no reason to upgrade from the flip phone. Hell, maybe you are true to your word and still use pidgeons.
>that they can do their hobbies better than others can do their jobs.
Yeah. One. Maybe two.
Going to tend your own garden? Where will your tools come from? Are you going to chop down a tree and fashion your own wooden handles? Are you going to mine, refine and smithe your own ore into spades, hoes, claws, rakes?
What are you going to wear? Will you make your own clothes? Where will you get the cloth? Will you raise your own sheep for wool? Grow flax? Grow your own cotton plants? Where will you get the tools for that?
Will you weave your own fabrics? Who will design and build your loom? Will you make your own dyes?
Where will you find the time? Where will you find the space? Where do you get off thinking you can learn master each and every one of these trades?
The idea that you needn't rely on others is ridiculous.
Needing a movement for your barn projects.
Jezaz.
>The Maker Movement- a sign of de-civilization
It's a sign of nothing.
Internet era vanity combined with a weird side effect of liberal individualism.
>don't be self sufficient, goy!
Fuck yourself, kike.
Buying a product that offers more features or better performance than the old one is different than buying a product that is identical to the old one because a twenty cent transistor burned out and it was designed to make that transistor impossible to replace.
>The idea that you needn't rely on others is ridiculous.
People seem to think that the market is trying to rip them off- when infact the market is maximizing value to consumers.
Today's TVs are the same as last year's TVs?
This is the most Jewish shit I've ever read. Kill yourself twice.
No, leaf, the market -is- trying to rip them off.
As things are, however, we can't spend every waking moment trying to cover basic needs.
That's what we did in the middle ages.
Close enough that for people who don't have more money than brains it's not worth spending vastly more than the repairs would cost to buy a new one.
If the market was ripping them off, then surely another company would come into being...
By the time a QUALITY tv wears out, TV technology has improved such that few people would repair.
Are you so poorly read that you don't recognize a quote from Brave New World. Read that first before you make this stupid fucking thread again, you goram maple fuck. It literally addresses everything you've said so far, you fucking illiterate degenerate. Fucking KYS. Canada needs a fucking sitewide ban.
Its a problem now because it was decreasing for 60 years. You just gave yourself the anwser.
Now it has faller under the threshold where it actually becomes a problem. And people are fixing the problem themselves again.
I agree with the except, just not your interpretation of it.
While repairing is "less riches" for the rich, it's also less riches for the repairer- who could have dedicated the repair time to his profession- and in doing so he earns the ability (money) of other people's specialties.
Why are you so wrong dirty leaf.
If people were not bombarded by "Its cheaper to buy a new one than to repair it" all the time. They would be way more well off.
The lifespan of a TV now hypotethically is 5 years. Before better technology comes around. Now if you have a family and you have a tv for 5 years, it breaks down you repair it for 1/10th of the cost. You can have that TV for 10 years. And while sure you would want a better tv. You could still buy a new TV and have 2, for the cost of 1.1, which means you can give your kids a tv of their own.
On the other hand if you go the toss the old buy new. In 10 years you would have 1 tv while you paid for 2.
I keep a ton of "obsolete" electronics around, And guess what, when something really breaks, i can at least temporarilly replace it if not permanently.
>you repair it for 1/10th of the cost.
Repairibility is not inherent in electronics- engineering repairibility requires making the product more expensive.
But I do agree with you that we over spend on minor improvements- but we can't "fix" other people so that the market provides fixable products. Most people don't want it, and the market is not going to engineer repairability for the 20% of people who want it.
Just read the book. Stop the psuedo intellectual posturing and just read the book. If you aren't trolling, and genuinely care about this shit, you owe it to yourself. You are making a complete fool of yourself otherwise. Every single one of your arguments are addressed and satirized and you are too poorly read to even realize how conditioned and brainwashed you are in the first place. It'd be fucking sad if you weren't probably just a troll.
>tfw you make 150k/yr, but you will still solder a wire in a 20$ pair of headphones.
>Repairibility is not inherent in electronics- engineering repairibility requires making the product more expensive.
Hahahaha wat? Its the other way around chucklefuck. If its repairable, it means easy to assemble and take apart. With generic parts that are cheap and easy to get.
Overengineering things is what ussually makes things expensive and easy to break and hard to repair.
Right, why wouldn't you. Its faster than going to a store, and saves you 20$.
Not an argument.
The reason that your country is shit is because your ideas are shit.
>Right, why wouldn't you. Its faster than going to a store, and saves you 20$.
Or that time he spent repairing could have made him $35- and in doing so gained even more knowledge in his trade. Or he could scrounge around for his solder gun and tape like a degenerate who NEEDS his headphones THAT badly.
Whoa there buddy, even if he makes 150k a year, that does not mean he makes 35$ in 10 minutes.
Also once you are at a comfortable level in your trade/field, you don't need to push 24/7, that will only get you burnt out.
Loads of amateurs do things better than professionals.
>you don't need to push 24/7
Not needing to does not mean that it's not beneficial.
>people freely choosing to spend their surplus disposable income on a hobby
>it's the jews, the jews I tell you. They're trying to ruin us all
A fucking leaf.
Having to work 40 hours a week is for wage slaves
The sign of effective modernisation is that we can now get by on only 20 hours of work per week, leaving us with free time to pursue hobbies
building things with our hands is what the good lord intended. it's what our hands were made for rather than typing on keyboards or tapping phones every waking moment.
>Loads of amateurs do things better than professionals.
There is a reason that Australia is a non-country falling into economic collapse- not far to fall though, DESU.
>The sign of effective modernisation is that we can now get by on only 20 hours of work per week, leaving us with free time to pursue hobbies
...said Marx a century ago.
>proffesional comes to do some wiring at my place
>end up with uncle fixing the fuckups the proffesional made
>pro comes to install internet (they would not let me do it myself)
>i end up dropping the ISP later
>the new ISP sends over a guy that keeps laughing and mocking the previous "proffesional"s work
And my favourite story of companies being dicks.
>work in a company and we have excavators
>a few bolts that hold the weight break on one
>ask for replacements
>150~ eur per bolt with nut
ONE HUNDRED + EUROS FOR FUCKING 5 INCHES OF BOLT
>look in stores for said bolts
>LMAO they used a custom non standard thread so you cant get them in stores
>pay someone to mill the bolts by hand and send them into hardening, just 4 bolts
>pay 2/3rds less
Fuck companies that do that, and its depressing to see that the jobs that are in such dire need to be kept alive are dying. We were lucky we knew a guy who could mill us those bolts, but damn its hard to find someone with the time to do small repair jobs like that.
>implying that under communism you would have any time for hobbies at all rather than working for the state with all your available time
I am showing how you are falling into the same trap that Marx did a century ago.
I don't understand
I myself work half-time. I have more than enough money to do anything I want or buy anything I need.
why should I work harder just to
>pay more tax
>have less time for hobbies
how am I a communist for finding this acceptable?
The more you work the more you earn/hr, even with taxes.
Not calling you a communist. What I'm saying is that for a long time it's been predicted that we would be happy with what we have...but such has never been true for more than a tiny part of society.
>Hobbies are now time-wasters
Get the fuck out you stupid english indian Pajeet.
>leaf
>/x/ rake
Now that's a meme i haven't seen in a long time.