COMMUNISM DOESN'T WOR-

>COMMUNISM DOESN'T WOR-

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>I request anything at all
>sorry gomrade, le lenin have fugged ur infrastructure lmfao Holodomor! xD
>FUGG :DDD

not an argument

an argument

Communism doesn't work.

I know this is bait but the fact that liberals really think it's this simple is unsettling

it is this simple

>another commiefag thread

die now please

FTFY

Welp that convinced me
Lets kill like the half of our population

Cheese is not a human right

You still die.

Once upon a time during and after world war 2...

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The holodomor never happened.

>re

not an argument

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No it's not.
Worker A gets cheese for doing his bit
Worker B gets cheese despite doing fuck all
Worker A gets annoyed and starts doing fuck all too
All the way to Worker Z until there is actually no cheese, because everybody is doing fuck all.

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that post is satire that you just did or youre retarded

Dare I say it?
Good riddance.

A.K.A. "They can never pay me as little as I work".

>implying these people were killed in the name of capitalism
try again

You think all those people who died under what you say to be communism (which it isn't anything more than by name communism) were intentional?
No, they were/are blamed because of famines which were blamed on state measures.

That's the capitalist side of things.
You've killed billions, realistically.

Communism implies greed can be eradicated.
Capitalism accepts it's not gonna hapen and it's just managing it.

>adds spanish civil war which was fought between fascists and communists(captialism fault?)
>adds holocaust (fascist regime that had socialist economics
>adds WWI-WWII for some reason even though the USSR had the most deaths due to zerg rush tactics
>massacre sin singapore (japan was a military dictatorship)
>10million jap imperialism once again not capitalist
>korean war started by the communists wanting a land grab
ok I saw hurricane Katrina and I'm convinced this is bait, oh well here have my (you)

Actually I believe during communist times in Poland cheese was one of things that was fairly easily available, at least compared to anything else.

>You think all those people who died under what you say to be communism
i bet the next thing your going to tell me is real communism has never been tried
accept it your theory failed and caused the deaths of millions of people

low energy bait

quads of truth

>file name
GET OUT

>Communism implies greed can be eradicated.
Greed can be eradicated by killing off the majority of society or ensuring they don't spread the disease to their children.

Greed is not a natural state, as young young children (who aren't taught "This is yours this is mine") experience no such traits.

>State capitalism isn't capitalism
>Fascists aren't capitalists
Hurricane Katrina was added because those deaths were due to lack of aide and general disregard for life before, during, and after the event.
It was not profitable to feed and house those people so they were left to die. That's capitalism.

Can't refute something? Disregard their completely valid point!
Real communism has been tried, in the Free Territory of Ukraine, and it was beautiful. No one starved, no one had issues, people were genuinely free.
Till the fascists (Soviet) came.

huh?

You do see the contradiction now right?
Even if we assume all the killing was done in the name of the greater good - to change society, and not in the name of holding on to power by all means(as it was), it still failed and it's still a horrible idea to massmurder people.

So 1 million died in Yugoslavia because of communism ? How does that exactly make sense, since Yugoslavia was quite progressive. The only political prison recorded 16000 prisoners for 40 years of running and 400 death penalties

Just counting people who died of old age isn't the same as "Communism killed those people hurr durr"

They aren't
Nazi Germany had socialist economic policies
furthermore if a business got too big the state would seize it.
Franco's country was about to collapse around 10 years after the civil war until other countries told him to accept free trade
Mussolini''s Italy had 3/4 comapnies under state control
the same that that happened in ever communist nation the state controlled the corporations.
>inb4 not real communismXD

wow that image is retarded, made up numbers without source, statistics, etc.

then again it comes from communist, what a fockn surprise m8

>You think all those people who were purged by Lenin and Stalin under what you said to be communism (which really IS communism) were intentional?
FTFY

>(as it was), it still failed and it's still a horrible idea to massmurder people.
Having a laugh mr makarov manufacturer?

>Just counting people who died of old age isn't the same as "Communism killed those people hurr durr"
To them it is, that's why the Sov and China have so much.
It's made up numbers to justify their clearly sick and demented ideology.
They do the same thing with refusing to say the Soviets weren't Communist even though every part of the society was structured like a fascist one. It's the way they cope.

>Nazi Germany had socialist economic policies
And so does the United states, like social security.
Are they not capitalist?

>furthermore if a business got too big the state would seize it.
Staaaaate Capitalissmmmm OoooOOoooooOOOOoo

>Franco's country was about to collapse around 10 years after the civil war until other countries told him to accept free trade
Do you not know why, lol?

>Mussolini''s Italy had 3/4 comapnies under state control
OoOOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooooOoOooo

>inb4 not real communismXD
Still sucking on the pacifier, eh?
This was real communism from head to toe, no state, no authority, no money, none of that horseshit. Just real freedom and cooperation.

Do you want the sources?
Doubt it.
I can provide them. Hey, how about you just google the wars and click the wikipedia article. It'll probably list it there :)

> (You)
>>(as it was), it still failed and it's still a horrible idea to massmurder people.
>Having a laugh mr makarov manufacturer?
An argument?

Some facts are true, it is true that millions died in the Soviet union, but exaggerating and saying 60 million died is bluntly stupid, that would mean that 50% of the population was executed.

Glad to know that there's atleast one normal person on Sup Forums

liberal arts majors have already proven that communism doesnt work

Childhood is loving authortarian socialiam. Adulthood is realising a worker run anarchist scoiety is better

You don't get a say about communism, since you had the softporn version.

Daily reminder thats because it was a stalinist model of socialism not because it was socialism. Just take the anarchy pill

As I explained Nazi Germany seized major corporations
I guess you could say he seized the major means of production not during wartime but during peacetime
during wartime it got worse
The USA has hints of some socialist stuff but unless there is a war and it's desperate the state cannot seize any means of production.
If Bill Gates made Microsoft in Nazi Germany the state would NOT have let him become a billionaire therefore Nazi Germany is not capitalist and the USA is not socialist

>It was not profitable to feed and house those people so they were left to die. That's capitalism.
What the fuck it's NEVER profitable to feed and house people you delusional commie, it's just the imperative to be alive.

>misunderstanding what he said this badly

fpbp

>unironically defending communism

Yugoslavia - Goli Otok
>400 deaths in 49 years
>8 deaths every year
>0.6 deaths every month
>0.02 deaths every day
>"mass murder"
NATO(capitalists) bombing of Yugoslavia
>5700 civilian deaths in 79 days
>72 deaths every day
>"not massmurder" but a military intervention

makes sense

>mfw Sup Forums thinks stating old arguments that have been debunked and posting memes is discussion
Top kek just take the anarchy pill lad

>Nazis
>Capitalists

>You don't get a say about communism

I do, it was true socialism and it was great

>Still sucking on the pacifier, eh?
This was real communism from head to toe, no state, no authority, no money, none of that horseshit. Just real freedom and cooperation.
you know if your ideology only produced maybe 1 or 2 examples of somewhat working until the soviets or fascists came along out of the 32 other examples that resulted in totalitarian shitholes.
there is something seriously wrong with your ideology.

That's what I mean. Your understanding of "communism" is close to that of a westerner.
"It's not a bad idea, it was just implemented wrongly".

FCUKIG ANGLO SCUM
YOU AND AMERISHARTS ARE THE WORST
JEW ENABLING BASTARDS
JUST GET MOHAMMED AND DIE

>FTFY

That never occurred in history m8.
The soviets purged a little of the old Tzars, but they also purged opponents that were considered a threat to them, including many anarchists.
If they were truly doing that they'd have removed their self from government positions and/or disabled government authority. But they didn't.
Soviets didn't even try Communism or try to set things in motion for it. It was just another Nationalist Fascists borderline dictatorship.

A few million died, most due to famine thanks to a drought and not having connections to buy out of country and transport it efficiently & more-so criminals who were in gulags who ran off and froze to death in the snow.
Just like the "concentration camps," but even more-so, were not to murder, but to enslave. If a person raped someone, gulag. It wasn't to kill them, they'd be released, but they'd be worked hard and live bare bones lives in the hope they'd come out appreciative of even the basics.

Realistically only 40,000-250,000 died INTENTIONALLY.
A few million because of simply poor management or connections/corruption.

If you want to see famine look at Russia post-Sov in 1992.
That's funnily enough where most of the bread line pictures come from. Capitalist neo-liberal Russia.
Poverty rate before in 1991 under Sov was 1.5%
Year later is was 50-80%.

Soviet union was still shit, authoritarian, and fascist, but their "crimes" really are over-done.

Exactly.

>As I explained Nazi Germany seized major corporations
OOooOoooOOoooooOOOOOoo

>the state cannot seize any means of production.
All you're doing is preaching state-capitalism, not communism.
Fuck'off ya uneducated nigger.

So if I have extra bread I should just watch you starve at my doorstep because I don't want to carry the bread to you?
???

>lefty
>anarchy

Doesn't exist boy. Why are so many Brits fucking commies? What the fuck is wrong with you?

You didn't live in USSR, did you?

>capitalist college students
No i dont own the means of production im not a capitalist
I'm an anarcho gommie anyway lad. The socialist governments that implemented stalinism caused many deaths lad its not because it was socialism

Hello comrades!

>ANARCHO
>COMMUNISM

>implying
Anarcho capitalism is fedualism :^) so fuck off with that bs
They were state capitalists
Based Yank

In what way is anarcho communism not anarchy? Answer the question but without ebin memes

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>So if I have extra bread I should just watch you starve at my doorstep because I don't want to carry the bread to you?
No you should instead implement a government that will be composed of a privileged class who will decide exactly how much bread each person should eat and how much bread each person should make, and that will solve hunger forever and we will all be happy.

>popularization and widespread of free trade coincides with greatest drop of poverty in history
>lets blame capitalism for poverty related deaths

The real joke is that this picture doesn't have any cheese in it.

Just like real communism.

I didn't say the fascists were communists I said they were socialists.

>"Only communist countries that failed count as communist, the successful once don't, so that way I can say communism fails 100% of time"

Fuck off retard, socialism can be implemented perfectly, as it was many times

>"your understanding is close to that of western"
My understanding is close to that of Karl Marx, Lenin, Engles since people who care about communism read it from books where communism actually originates, I don't have the American media influence me since I don't fucking live there

>defending capitalism

Not a-

WTF I LOVE COMMVNISMVS NOW

Come on then explain who anarcho communism isnt anarchy

>RELIABLE NUMBERS FROM THE USSR

Communism implies --equal-- distribution of wealth/resources. Since human nature is fundamentally flawed and not all are equal, the distribution will have to be forced, thus nullifying the concept of --ANARCHY-- since you need a form of control to enforce your retarded system.

You're clearly new here and I hope your time in Sup Forums will cure your disease of leftism. There is nothing more irritating than seeing a first worlder living in a succesful capitalist country and praising the horrors that communism brought into third world countries like mine.

Top kek. It didn't fail in Yugoslavia after you had to give the money back.
You are an uuter idiot.

>implying he got cheez

>implying he didnt praise the state by fear from being suspected and sent to gulag.

i thought pol was full of smart people. oh its friday, the quality drops.

>They were state capitalists

But I thought all socialism was actually state capitalism. In fact the Soviet Union was state capitalist! /leftypol/ told me so!

Its almost like communism only exists in the a priori and every time its been tried it becomes a mixed economy then collapses on its own or just becomes capitalist again.

Did they not seek gain via a hierarchical system?

>there is something seriously wrong with your ideology.
No that means a big abusive lad crushed the communist utopias as to not lose their power, then used their power to gain more power.
You retarded m8?

lol anarchism is not compatible with capitalism because capitalism presents authority and hierarchy.
Anarchism is EXCLUSIVELY left.

>I'm retarded shoot me in the face
:)

>No you should instead implement a government that will be composed of a privileged class who will decide exactly how much bread each person should eat and how much bread each person should make, and that will solve hunger forever and we will all be happy.
You mean feudalism?
No, how about because I have extra bread I just give it to you.
That's called mutual aide.
It's a practice in communism and anarchism.

Funny how the poverty rate of the Sov union went from 1.5% to 50-80% RIGHT after it went "Free market" and recovered extremely slowly.
Wages were backed up for months and breadlines were everywhere.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia_(1991–present)#Depression
>Following the economic collapse of the early 1990s, Russia suffered from a sharp increase in the rates of poverty and economic inequality.[9] Estimates by the World Bank based on both macroeconomic data and surveys of household incomes and expenditures indicate that whereas 1.5% of the population was living in poverty (defined as income below the equivalent of $25 per month) in the late Soviet era, by mid-1993 between 39% and 49% of the population was living in poverty.

I'm onto you two by the way ;)

>Anarchism is EXCLUSIVELY left

wtf... ha

hahha

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

This is even funnier than when leftypol unironically told me that 7 million people starved from the great depression.

Time to go outside pinko :)

>communism
>state
>>>/gulag/

They became mixed economies because they were doomed revolutions from the start
No everything is voluntary we don't force people to do things. Now tell me how do you enforce the NAP without violence? How do you stop big businesses from using force on smaller businesses to xontrol them? Ancaps are neofuedalists lad

State gives you only 1 cheese that is allowed by the communist party. Causes a shortage, and many people cannot buy cheese or it's too expensive.

Breadlines and food shortages were much more common in the USSR than in laissez-faire economies.

laissez-faire [(les-ay-fair, lay-zay-fair)] French for “Let (people) do (as they choose).” It describes a system or point of view that opposes regulation or interference by the government in economic affairs beyond the minimum necessary to allow the free enterprise system to operate according to its own laws.

Know the true evil of (((Capitalism)))

>he thinks anarcho-captialism is anarchy
Nothing says anarchy like hierarchies

Well you were wrong.
If the businesses/production was not owned via worker-cooperatives with no head leader or state fucking with them,but rather it simply being a democratic business that functions as a unit which seeks profit for it's shareholders (workers) it wasn't socialist.
So it wasn't.
Learn economic theory before speaking bby.

No, from the western world bank you fuck.

>But I thought all socialism was actually state capitalism
That's some real spooky shit there m'lad

I was told there would be no state.

>They became mixed economies because they were doomed revolutions from the start

Every communist revolution is a doomed revolution, please don't sink to the level where the theoretical becomes proven from its failures. I mean at least bring up places where literal communism was tried and worked under extremely homogeneous and dedicated micro economic societies.

kek has spoken

There isn't, socialism is a state with a planned economy. Communism is anarchy.

>No i dont own the means of production im not a capitalist

You own your brain, your fingers and a computer. Thats all the means of production you need.

Capitalism doesn't wor-

Nice bait, it gave me brain cancer.

They held on to an economic system that uses money to exchange goods and services, you know in the way that all civilizations do.

They weren't consumer capitalists though. They didn't make the economic growth of the few the altar at which the many are required to pray.

No they were doomed because they were third world countries with little to no prior industry, infrastructure etc that capitalism builds quite efficently and quickly