A question for 'islamophobes' by a confused man

Quick note, I used 'islamophobe' because I don't know the term used for people against one certain religion.
>Islamaphobia is rational. Do you even Quran?
I know that, I'm using the word. No need to tell me about all the backwards shit in a 1500 year old religion.

So I'm an ex-muslim, but not at all white. My parents migrated to England but I was born and raised here. I'm a relative monarchist in the sense that I'm not so anti-queen as others in my area and think the UK should be a total republic. I'd say I was conservative and have recently found myself pulled towards UKIP. My question is,

>Are you against the race or the religion?

I see a lot of people who are against Islam are also white supremacist, racist, anti-arab or whatever. Not always all. I'm interested in your answers!

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most people are against sharia law and the mindset a shit ton of muslims have.
that and the coddling that happens when "i don't know how those 100 women got raped, the muslim witnesses couldn't figure it out either"

Oh and the fact that Muslims aren't assimilating.

It's a combination, we're against unregulated and unending immigration of Middle Eastern and African Muslims.

Largest Muslim nation is Indonesia yet I haven't heard of them causing Sweden to become rape capital of the world.

I don't give a fuck if YOU'RE muslim and you don't drink or eat pork or whatever

The problems begin when muslims start demanding sharia law or pork-free menus and all that fuckin gay shit

Fuck off MIDF

I think it was the Rotheram scandal that caused me to shed my filters and just stop giving a fuck about what people might think of me. I think those minors were abused for so long - and so many were groomed - because people were afriad of describing the men as being of 'Pakisani origin' . However I think pedophilia isn't linked to Muslims.
Mass-migration, yeah I'm against it and see what you mean.

It was ultimately comments like yours that funally opened my eyes to how backwards Islam really was. I had been taught since a young age about Islam which is why it took so much time, but I know plenty of Muslims who feel icky about Shariah Law but aren't willing to leave their religion. I think in modern times Religion just isn't that compatible.

Christianity and Judaism also have quite backwards ideals but the crimes by people of this demographic isn't so large, except in African countries.
That brings up another question.

>Is it the religion or the culture?
Young brides are more of a traditional thing that 'just happen' in LEDCs but we don't see so much in more developed countries except by people with parents who moved over.

>Do you think that the next generation of more liberal Muslims will be any better than what many European countries are already left with?

This is what I am against.

>Sharia law or pork-free menus
Regarding the former, I agree completely. However pork-free menus in an area which has a high proportion of Muslims isn't so stupid, is it? I mean- if it's gonna attract paying customers, I say go for it.

(A bit off-topic:)Honestly never had pork. Still a deep feeling that means I never try it. How would you describe different meats from pigs.

There's nothing wrong with someone coming from another country when they desire to be a member of the country they're going to. I think the problem that resonates with most people is when third world people come to a country and maintain their own culture and beliefs system. A good example is some of the east asian people that built america's railways; they didn't have any desire to assimilate with the people of their new country, they created their own secular communities. I think that if you're moving into a community, you should desire to be A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.

It's not even nessecarily the religion or race. Though the religion definetley needs to reform like Christianity has done, it's more so to do with the culture.
Just look at where these people are coming from. Absolute war torn shitholes where people live in mostly squalor and violence is rampant. It's led them to be uncivilised and become more animalistic than human. It's as if it were still in the medieval ages. The spread and conquering of ISIS has only fueled their anger as they see the west as causing all of that (which it sort of did).
I don't count race because your clearly an example of being able to integrate into our culture. However many of the "refugees" do not.

If you want to kill gays, want to seperate men and women and believe in all the other heinous shit a retarded book says, then I hate you. If you happen to be a Muslim then so be it, I will hate you equally. Moreover though, I hate Islam and I'd prefer to have mudslimes ditch their religion rather than have them killed

Don't you think people should at least stay in touch from the culture of the land they or their parents grew up in while still respecting and embodying the cultures and ideals of the community they are in? I don't know how it feels to leave the country you've lived most of your life in to a world that seems so alien and then give up all your past cultures. I can only guess that it'd be incredibly difficult.

>Are you against the race or the religion?
The culture.

faggot

Alright so this is an Islam thread, so can someone please explain why IceIs produces such amazing Nasheeds (halal music)?

Arabs and such are generally OK with me. (As long as there aren't too many, but that applies to any race)

Islam is cancer tho.

>faggot
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Not really sure what you're asking but I don't really listen to nasheeds. I've never really been a fan. Prefer metal or some edm, idrk.

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>I see a lot of people who are against Islam are also white supremacist, racist, anti-arab or whatever. Not always all. I'm interested in your answers!
These kind of people are going to be the most vocal and persistent in voicing their concerns with islam.

>Don't you think people should at least stay in touch from the culture of the land they or their parents grew up in while still respecting and embodying the cultures and ideals of the community they are in?

I think what most people have problems with is the extent of this link, often being stronger than the one they have with the country they reside in (and have become a citizen of!).

The number of maghrebis residing in France that don't think of themselves as mainly French and more as Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians (even when most of them are born there) is astonishing.

Ummati qad laha fajrun and salil sawarim aren't on the level of Iraq war nasheeds, but they're still pretty good.

Ba'athist songs are top tier, though.
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Purely religion. As an example as to why, all you need is to look at the race of people who committed islamic terrorist attack in past two years - they were as diverse as Sup Forums meetup.

Another example was the migrants that our police managed to catch, around 800 people. They were all the same race, but the difference between muslims and christians were staggering.
There MUST be something in the teachings of islam that makes them act this way.

Thanks for the responses. Overall this has been enlightening. So to conclude,

>Muslims are okay as long as they don't force their religion down my throat and respect the ideals of the community they are living in.
>Migration from less developed countries is the real problem. It's the culture.

Tell me if I missed anything.

Have you looked at the statistics showing how many Muslims support sharia law and other things that are against western culture?

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I didn't read any of your shit but you're waifu is a filthy trash whore.

I'm not against the religion itself (even if it's several hundred years late for church reform), it's more the fact that it's followers are currently engaged in just short of an invasion and occupation of mainly Christian nations

oh..

30% of arabs are inbred

Culture does not arise from a vacuum

Back to the >>>r/eddit

your culture and average iq make lower the quality of life for people here. i'd visit muslim countries to know the arquitecture, food and people, but i dont want it here.

That's a pretty imposing statistic for you to post without providing any source.

Against the religion.

Koran and Hadith are evil scriptures that depict a barbarous and cruel way to live.

>I see a lot of people who are against Islam are also....
This is because fire must be fought with fire. You think you are safe now, but there will be a lashback. The minds of people will be swayed towards an ideology which gives them protection from your evil cult.

You will start to see changes in the people whose countries you are in. They will start to bend towards barbarianism and cruelty, in an equal, yet opposite way. This is because they are mentally preparing themselves to kill your kind.

You create your own problem, it is your fault by your very presence you create an imbalance in the minds of the people.

Do you even know what is coming? An event is approaching that will but the WW2 holocaust to shame. You bring it upon yourselves.

There is only one thing you can do, burn the Koran and renounce Islam. This is only way to prove yourself.

It's true though. It's because of the polygamous nature of Islam.

Mormonism is the same, and they are all inbred too.

I dont have anything agains islam when its isolated to arabia

That's a pretty imposing claim for you to post without providing any source.

you're fucking stupid Morocco. I wouldn't expect your niggerized brain to understand.

Muslims/Mormons are polygamous. This naturally will leaded to a higher degree of inbreeding. It's simple mathematics.

I think you missed the part where I said I'm no longer a Muslim. No longer part of the so-called 'cult' you speak of.

Wouldn't burn the Quran like I wouldn't burn the bible or Torah. Don't agree with it, so I'll ARGUE against it, not destroy it. That just shows that you let your emotions rule you imo.

I say believe what you want, but keep it away from me. Don't try and force it down my throat.

There all where paki and not fucking arab please can this meme die, arab's are not pedo's except for mohhamed.

Emotions?
So burning an evil book that spreads mind poison should not only not be burned, but it would be emotional to do so?
You don't see the logic in banning the Koran?

If Koran was burned enmasse it would send a clear message to Muslims that they are not welcome.

you need to die for the simple fact that you have shit taste in maids

Have you seen any people being told they would be killed if they left the faith?
How have people reacted to you leaving?

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not knowing that you will be beheaded since you are now an apostate since you left islam it's a cult and it spread's like cancer.

>he thinks the deredere twin is better than the tsun twin
>he thinks the flatter twin is worse

>tfw british muslims are more radical than anything I've ever seen in my country

>so-called 'cult' you speak of.
you took offense to that didn't you?
I think you're still a Muslim. I don't trust you, and no one ever will. You're a piece of shit liar.

Taqiyya

Your time is coming to a close. You will all be slaughtered, mark my words.

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>Taqiyya
Only applies to shia muslims in the sense you're thinking of, though.

Because you send the dregs of your Muslim society to attack the West.
This is also the fault of polygamy in Islam. Only the 'best' get multiple wives. The majority of Muslim men will not get marriages simply because of the shortage of women. So they are sent to Europe with the intention to rape women, whom they were denied by their own people..

i am proud to be on the other side of the issue as the fucking leaf

Literally what the fuck are you talking about

semantics.

Not semantics when you're falsely referring to a specific concept in islamic theology...

I'm against the fact that you are a foreign invader, much like that queen you mentioned.

I don't want any foreigners in my country, I'm not against whatever race you are, just get out of my country.

Too many single men in Muslim societies, this is why your civilization is such shit and chaotic. Too much unhappiness. Again, simple math that your nigger brain does not understand.

>arab's are not pedo's except for mohhamed
Bin Laden please, we know what Arab muslim households are like. I bet daddy fucked you when you were a toddler, as is his prerogative.

It's semantics you stupid nigger. This is an English board. GTFO.

Back to Sup Forums weeb scum. You're not wanted. You guys are like mexicans trying to get into america. Its cancer what you losers do.

enjoy your doormate pleb

So they get so lonely that they go to the West to rape women?

Should just go on tumblr and hang out with other virgins

Not too sure what you mean. So since my parent's were not born in England, I have no right in calling myself English?

>Only the 'best' get multiple wives.
Polygamy banned in my country in the first place.

>The majority of Muslim men will not get marriages simply because of the shortage of women.
Which shortage of women are you talking about...?

>So they are sent to Europe with the intention to rape women
Yes, of course, sent to Europe based on a large conspiracy to specifically rape western women.

You are fucking retarded.

You are talking about a specific concept with a single accepted definition as described in islamic theory and were wrong about it.

This is not semantics.

The concept has been generalized, it's not about Shiites trying to keep their heads attached any more, it's about lulling the kufr into a false sense of security so you can detach his head.

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And where are you taking the idea that taqiyya is now a generalized concept?

Hate the religion, don't want to live with the race. Wish you well in your own countries, just leave us alone.

>Polygamy banned in my country
But it still happens.
>Which shortage of women are you talking about...?
You know, the shortage that is created in a society that endorses polygamy and murdering/raping women.

>Yes, of course, sent to Europe based on a large conspiracy to specifically rape western women.
Correct.

>You are fucking retarded.
You were looking the mirror when you typed this, monkeyman?

Islam is backwards and I don't mind immigrants of any race (apart from the upper tier of a certain one)

My issue is ((they)) have pushed so many of you into my homeland and its destroying our culture and history before our eyes. Back when immigrants were lower in numbers, you would have to assimilate to our culture where-as nowadays there are so many coming into the country you all stay in one area together and take it as your own.

>Wish you well in your own countries, just leave us alone
GTFO and we will. Stay and you'll get what you deserve.

You have no right calling yourself English because you aren't a descendant of the Germanic tribes that settled here. England is angle land. It's in the name. A mouse born in a stable is not a horse.

Oops, thought you were OP there for a sec

I just don't think at the core Islam is compatible with western culture. Islam requires you to submit to its religion. And the people that end up assimilating would be considered pariahs of their own people anyway.

What are you even talking about? You have no claim to the white mans lands and it is you who will suffer if you persist.

You are buying into a meme too hard buddy. Do you have any actual data that shows a high amount of single men in Muslim countries? What you should focus on is how inbred they are.

I'm white. Misunderstanding, thought you were OP.

I know what you mean. I think that occurs with all mass-immigration.

Migration needs to be controlled more imo.If you're going to come to a country to start a new life and expect to get through life without the utmost respect for the laws and ideals of the country you've moved to then you can head back.

>But it still happens.
Except it doesn't?
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

>a society that endorses polygamy and murdering/raping women.
???

Is this bait?

The ultimate aim of the current model of Islam aka wahabism is the Arab nation ie world domination so it's a race that is using a religion to dominate the world which is not inherently bad but as Islam is anti development of any one and would happily fuck goats till we all die, I am against Islam as a religion and against arabs as a race for using it

Trust a Canuck, no worries

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>high amount of single men in Muslim countries
No you stupid fuck
I have actual date that shows a high amount of single Muslim men coming TO the West.
Where did they come from? And why did they leave? They come from Muslim countries and they left because they are the trash that were not promised arranged marriages to virgins.

You're so fucking stupid, fuck you people are dumb.

>Islam requires you to submit to its religion.
I agree. The word Islam literally means 'submission', and I can understand why many would be so against it.

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While most nationalists you come across will be civic nationalist there is something to be said of ethno-nationalism. Diversity is not a strength, it destroys social cohesion.

Hey Morrocco. Everyone knows that your country is a fucking Islamic shithole whose only export is oranges and rapists. Now stfu before I boycott your only exportable good of value.

I hate people for the ways that they choose to think, not for the way they were born. So yes, I hate Muslims, but I don't hate all Arabs, just the 99% of them that choose to be fucking trash.

>out of arguments
>resorts to complete ad hominem

My question to you is being an ex Muslim. Have you read the Quran in arabic?
I always hear of how the English version is the tonned down version and the arabic one actually contains a lot more degenerate shit.

Do you know that the ones that revive the real islam aka wahabism are non-arabe?

That is probably why a lot of people are against it. In Muslim countries religion comes first, then everything else. In most of the Western world Religion comes second, at best. Not to mention Islam's cult-like aspects.

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>inb4 pakis don't count
>no true moslem fallacy

>saudis
>not the purest breed of bedouin camelfucker arabs

It's not about the quran being degenerate but more about arabic being substantially more abstract/poetic than English (which is why it's absolutely shit when it comes to scientific research/content). Translations will always remove a bit of the ambiguity contained in the original quran (which is the source for its countless interpretations).

pakis don't count

As an ex muslim and live in a muslim country the problem isn't just the religion they have every right to feel this way even if you're an atheist hell if youre an non religouse muslim that were raised in a not that religious house hold youre better than athiest raised in a real muslim house and community op you know it i know it don't play but im an athiest card

>So since my parent's were not born in England, I have no right in calling myself English?
"English" is an ethnicity.
You can call yourself British based on you being a British citizen, as "British" isn't an ethnicity.

I wouldn't move to Algeria and call myself a Berber if I gained an Algerian citizenship.

>doesn't deny that only exportable goods are rapists and oranges.

and checkmate. better luck next time monkey man.

But wahabism is pushed hardest by the arabs, and afaik Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhabwas an Arab and the movement started from Saudi Arabia

Separate religion from the state.
>Have you read the Quran in Arabic?
Yes, but I do not know what Arabic means. I've been to plenty of Islamic lectures that talk about the teachings, but most of these aren't about the violent aspects. I remember being taught about Muhammad's life and the battles he took part in though, and I've had to visit other sites on the web as well as talk to people to see the direct teachings from the Arabic version of the Quran.

>can't even get implicit clues
One of the key signs of autism, senpai

I deny that the only exportable goods of Morocco are rapists and oranges.

Here, happy yet?

>that comment
>that flag
Press F to pay respects

Well go on then, tell me what you export. lol

So we can put "Hot Air" on the list then, that's one.
Well, well, well, looks like I stand corrected... by myself. lol

>instruments
Haram as fuck. Isis nasheeds are way better.

Phosphates (#1 worldwide exporter), weed (also #1 worldwide exporter), important sales of fish and seafood, luxury textile and clothing.

>instruments
>Haram as fuck
Can confirm. From what I was taught, only drums and vocals are allowed. I don't even know why. Sounds stupid to me.

As someone who studied the Quran under a priest to learn Arabic the idea of jihad is glorified to the extent it can easily be used as a radicalization tool all to easily and secondly the brainwashing that goes on in telling you Islam being the final religion and all i refuse to agree Arabic Quran is any better

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