The USSR and China general had state capitalist economies. State ownership was the main form of ownership along with some capitalist ownership (Ex: The New Economic Policy in the USSR). Some collective ownership was present in parts of the agricultural industry tho
>muh Venezuela
An economy that is two-thirds privately owned and one-third state owned =/= collectively owned
Also it's not even the “socialist” policies that have caused to the trouble
>china drops the socialism meme and embraces capitalism >economy skyrockets
what did they mean by this?
Nolan Thompson
>Soviet Russia wasn't true socialism >Uses Soviet Russian propaganda How much would you pay to suck Marx's dick?
Kayden Butler
>literally "NOT TRUE COMMUNISM"
Sage in all fields
Caleb Perry
>>>muh USSR or China
The USSR and China general had state capitalist economies. State ownership was the main form of ownership along with some capitalist ownership (Ex: The New Economic Policy in the USSR). Some collective ownership was present in parts of the agricultural industry tho
Aaron Young
>all collapsed or extremely poor shitholes >chiapas which is literally the poorest state in mexico
Jeremiah Smith
10 sorosbux
Justin Perez
>the mail online >GDP laughing_whores.exe
John Edwards
>Pablo Gonzalez Casanova, the former rector of Mexico’s National Autonomus University (UNAM), conducted a public health study comparing Zapatista communities in Chiapas to their non-Zapatista counterparts.
>Zapatista health providers extended coverage to 63 per cent of all expectant mothers, double the average for non-Zapatista communities in the area. Seventy-four per cent of Zapatista homes have access to toilets, as opposed to 54 per cent in non-Zapatista homes.
>Zapatista communities also have significantly better statistics for infant mortality than other rural areas in Chiapas.
>China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding the East Asian Tigers. Economists estimate China's GDP growth from 1978 to 2013 at between 9.5% to around 11.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[28] The increase in total factor productivity (TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of U.S. GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[29] Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[30] while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[31]
Capitalism made China's populace far less poor and essentially saved it.
Jason Johnson
fuck the actual ideas or economic policies only names matter
>But as has been shown, the dynamics currently operating in Chiapas are extremely dysfunctional. Neither Zapatista nor government-led development models have managed to improve the livelihoods of local indigenous communities. Although sporadic successes do arise, Chiapas generally has seen only meager improvements and persistently high levels of poverty. The conflict between indigenous communities and the national government is unsustainable and will only lead to further underdevelopment. Bringing these two worlds together in Chiapas is of utmost urgency; the alternative is a reproduction of poverty for generations to come.
MARXIST ECONOMICS CAN LITERALLY NOT STOP FAILING
>using a war-torn dysfunctional country to prove his point
Watch how Rojava embraces capitalism in ten years.
Julian Price
>heh its not just GDP >GDP GDP GDP GDP GDP Ok
Jeremiah Bell
>poor country is not magically turned into a superpower >lel commies btfo
Jason Perry
Socialism really doesn't work. At least not at scale. You certainly could make it work in small tribal societies where everyone knows each other and the logistical problems aren't as complex. In modern nations it's impossible for multiple reasons.
FRIENDSHIP WITH MARX CANCELLED. CAPITALISM IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND
Xavier Stewart
So what will you do when your job is automated and starting a business is financially impossible? How about when you're pushed out by one of the emerging monopolies?
Lincoln Gutierrez
>uses only stats for the whole state of Chiapas instead of Zapatista communities
>Rojava's economy has been moving more and more self-sufficient but no they will embrace capitalism trust me
Jordan Carter
>Yugoslavia practiced market socialism with 23+ million people
Jack Gonzalez
Get a job that isn't automated shit.
>didn't read the article at all
Chiapas economy continues to be dogshit. It's the poorest state in Mexico and has not seen any significant improvements in poverty under Zapistas. Even in their communities.
You can meme shit about muh toilets, but literally every other Mexican state which has a far freer economy beats it in every category.
>Get a job that isn't automated shit. 6 billion technicians, scientists and artists! What a planet!
Jace Bailey
...
Jaxon Perez
>rojava won't drop the socialism meme because they're self-sufficient
Because of a fucking civil war you idiot. Once the war ends, they'll liberalize their economy by allowing private companies to generate growth and reduce poverty. It will folloe the same trend as all socialist countries and revert back to embracing capitalism.
Matthew Jackson
So basically if it doesn't fit your narrative you look into your crystal ball?
You think Rojava won't go back to capitalism? Kek.
Jack Cooper
>kike general
Matthew Green
>>GDP What? It's the direct measure of how much wealth is produced in one year, what's wrong with it?
Leo Turner
>government-led interventions, which tend to be top-down and attempt to force change from the outside. Recently, the Mexican government has pushed to transform local farming practices into a commercially oriented industry, exemplifying the inherent tension between cultural practices and government attempts to monetize them.[iii] Generally, these types of interventions in Chiapas have only led to a perpetuation of poverty and under-development. As the seventh most populous state with approximately 4.3 percent of the Mexican population, Chiapas contributes only 1.8 percent to the national gross domestic product, according to the Instituto Nacional de Estadística y Geografía. Extreme social inequalities are prevalent within the region, and many indigenous communities lack basic provisions such as electricity, running water, and education.
The article doesn't even mention stats from Zapatista communities and blames mostly the government for the issues. Actual stats for Zapatista communities do show slightly better living conditions
Caleb Stewart
THE CAPITALISTS CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
Benjamin Wood
>2017 >unironically socialist
Cameron Hill
I own what I produce and you fucking commies can try to steal it from me
Jaxon Sullivan
...
Carson Wright
why that name for this image lol also >50 years >wartime this is a meme right?
Nolan Cooper
The KRG and the ruling KDP party are not even allies of rojava nor have they EVER had a socialist economy
Brayden Cook
Because it's absolute trash wheeled out by politicians to justify themselves when they're fucking up the average person's life. GDP per capita could be $30,000, but everyone you know could be making $7,000 and struggling to get by. That's because a few people are making over $100,000 and are holding the numbers up. It becomes a garbage statistic when there is vast wealth disparity.
Jaxson Jackson
Anyone want a free helicopter ride?
Isaac Bailey
>it didn't look at these extremely cherry-picked stats so it's false!
99% of Mexican households outside of Chiapas have toilets.
Jack Stewart
>I didn't show any stats of the actual Zapatista communities compared to the other Chiapas communities they have the similar material conditions >fuck trying to remove outside variables
Lucas Roberts
>state capitalist economies >its only real socialism if it doesn't fail This is why normies dont take socialist seriously
Owen Brooks
>Because it's absolute trash wheeled out by politicians to justify themselves when they're fucking up the average person's life. GDP growth is extremely important for an economy, and if you think it's trash because all you care about is "muh equality", then you're an idiot. I'm not saying inequality isn't a problem, but if you're throwing GDP out of the window because politicians "abuse" it, you're just as retarded as they are
Noah Diaz
see
Mason Long
STALINGRAD 2.0
James Perez
>literally every socialist country reverts back to capitalism in the end >"i-it won't happen here"
Alright comrade
But absolute poverty rates declined massively in China. The populace went from being equally dirt poor to richer even though wealth inequality increased.
Angel Lopez
Not an argument
Owen Sanchez
>everyone got killed by outside forces >Its socialism's fault What did he mean by this?
Aiden Young
China was never socialist. Workers didn't own the MOP.
Gabriel Kelly
>zapistas do not significantly improve the economy >b-but look at the comparison between zapista households in rural chiapas and non-zapista households in rural chiapas
Ayy.
Literally every other Mexican state with freer economies perform better in every category.
Christian Gray
>I own what I produce not under capitalism :^)
Thomas Young
>not true socialism! Here we go again
Luke Sullivan
>whats a material conditions???
Andrew Lopez
Where do you get the notion that you would have a higher salary under socialism from?
Cooper Ward
Every other state also has an abominable amount of drug cartels. And Chiapas has the lowest unemployment rate in Mexico so...
Jonathan Mitchell
damn commies insisting words mean things
Jack Jenkins
Yeah fuck the actual politics and ideas only the name lmao
Liam Sullivan
Move to Rojava
Luis Collins
see
Joseph Hill
Socialism won't even work on a small scale. How's your commune going? Why don't you start one with family, friends, coworkers and neighbors? Let's pool all our money together. Doctors and janitors get the same income!!
Caleb Hall
Get the fuck off my board cuck
Nathan Gutierrez
...
Hunter Ortiz
Is this where the Reifags congregate?
Nathaniel Miller
Wut? That's three incoherent non-arguments in a row. Colour me impressed.
Carson Taylor
> I own what I produce mfw
Lincoln Perry
Once the war ends I might.
Xavier Nelson
Not everyone works at a factory, you know
David Phillips
You got It's it wrong from the pic: socialism doesn't work on paper,either.
Robert Butler
I suppose all those thousands of books written about that were just page after page of a picture of a pig in a top hat pooping on a poor person.
If you work for literally any employer, you don't own anything derived from goods or services you prduce.
Gavin Miller
Do you even calculate, commie faggot?
Owen Bailey
>including the one that lasted like 5 days I'm a socialist as well but seriously why?
Easton Jackson
Socialism DOES works
Angel Phillips
No, there are the self-employed: the artisans of the modern age. Those that control the Means of Production themselves: and are thus embodiments of socialism.
