Advice Debating Commi's

Hey Sup Forums, was hoping someone could give me some good arguments to BTFO some commi cucks.

The main arguments I'm struggling with at the moment:

- Workers are happier and more productive when they democratically control their own work places, so why not implement socialism.

- Markets cause many inefficiencies such as planned obsolescence and artificial scarcity (mainly food and diamonds)

- The market system will keep us working many more hours than we have to, and therefore keep us from exploring culture and science, as if full automation is implemented then no one has any wages to buy things and the system would collapse.

- The far right uses the same identity political methods that the SJW's do, just with different identities substituted in for their arguments. (eg instead of trans-gender fluid niggers, straight white men)

So, what arguments can I use against these? Thanks.

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People enjoy hardships and the rewards for it. However, they also enjoy only the reward. If you could press a button to be happy, who wouldn't do it? Everyone would do it. That is why obesity and neets are rampant.
There will be communism ONCE and only ONCE automatization takes over everything.

See I tried that but they just said that people would still go through hardships, just voluntary ones. Like taking a PhD in physics is a voluntary hardship.

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list of places that did not try real Communism.
Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, People's Republic of Albania, People's Republic of Angola, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, People's Republic of Benin, People's Republic of Bulgaria, People's Republic of Kampuchea, People's Republic of the Congo, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, German Democratic Republic, People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada, Hungarian People's Republic, Mongolian People's Republic, People's Republic of Mozambique, Polish People's Republic, Socialist Republic of Romania, Somali Democratic Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Democratic Republic of Vietnam, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen,
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, People's Democratic Republic of Algeria, Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma, Republic of Cape Verde, United Arab Republic, Iraqi Republic, Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Democratic Republic of Madagascar, Republic of Seychelles, Democratic Republic of the Sudan,

>Workers are happier and more productive when they democratically control their own work places, so why not implement socialism
Because they already CAN do those things, coops and communes are allowed under capitalism, they just tend to suck at being efficient and customer satisfaction.

>Markets cause many inefficiencies such as planned obsolescence and artificial scarcity (mainly food and diamonds)
Why would you make something more expensive and built to last when a brand new version of that thing will be available in a year? Sure, 1990's Nokia phones won't stop working for a really long time, but who wants to use a phone from the 1990's today? Also, artificial scarcity is pretty much entirely government caused.

>The market system will keep us working many more hours than we have to, and therefore keep us from exploring culture and science, as if full automation is implemented then no one has any wages to buy things and the system would collapse.
You can't dedicate time to research when you are starving to death under Communism. Let's not forget that communism may have gotten to space, but capitalism got to the moon and is on its way to Mars, and it is capitalism that had made America the powerful technologically advanced nation it is today.

>The far right uses the same identity political methods that the SJW's do, just with different identities substituted in for their arguments. (eg instead of trans-gender fluid niggers, straight white men)
This is irrelevant, they're going off topic. Still, they're the ones who brought identity politics into this, when you have an identity for literally every person but straight white men, do you honestly not expect those straight white men to form their own identity?

>Because they already CAN do those things, coops and communes are allowed under capitalism, they just tend to suck at being efficient and customer satisfaction.

They usually say co-ops dont count because they're still under the market system which they want to abolish.

>Why would you make something more expensive and built to last when a brand new version of that thing will be available in a year?

Well I mean to be fair there has to be some profit in it if it's being done today anyway. I mean we all know Apple products are not made to last lol.

>You can't dedicate time to research when you are starving to death under Communism.

True. How do you I argue that Communism leads to famines though? Without bringing up the USSR, because they just say 'not muh true communism'.

>capitalism got to the moon and is on its way to Mars

NASA is state funded

>- The market system will keep us working many more hours than we have to, and therefore keep us from exploring culture and science, as if full automation is implemented then no one has any wages to buy things and the system would collapse.
I think that full automation is not a good thing for humans as a species. When everything is fully automated then why ever do anything to better our species? Why not just get drunk and fuck until you die. I think people will just feel useless and disposable even if we got that kind of system working (which is a long way from now). I don't see it becoming a good thing.
Anyway this is not really an argument but rather just some of my thoughts.

>what is a contractor
>what is lowest bidder
>how does the us govt get funds to fund nasa

Nice logic bro

List of all none real attempts at communism.
Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, Republic of Afghanistan, Democratic Government of Albania, People's Republic of Albania, People's Socialist Republic of Albania, People's Republic of Angola, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, People's Republic of Benin, People's Republic of Bulgaria, Democratic Kampuchea, People's Republic of Kampuchea, People's Republic of the Congo,
Czechoslovak Republic, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Provisional Military Government of Socialist Ethiopia, People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, German Democratic Republic, People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada, Hungarian People's Republic, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Mongolian People's Republic, People's Republic of Mozambique, Polish People's Republic, Romanian People's Republic, Socialist Republic of Romania, Somali Democratic Republic, Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Democratic Republic of Vietnam, People's Republic of South Yemen, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, Democratic Federal Yugoslavia, Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, People's Democratic Republic of Algeria, Union of Burma, Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma, Republic of Cape Verde, Republic of Egypt, United Arab Republic, Arab Republic of Egypt, Iraqi Republic, Libyan Arab Republic, Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Democratic Republic of Madagascar, Republic of Seychelles, Democratic Republic of the Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic.

Well personally I actually think people study culture and science on their own accord. I mean today you could probably get a better pay in a lot easier jobs than you could trying to get a PhD in a lot of academic STEM subjects. Not loads yea, but still, I feel people go into that stuff because they want to. That would probably still be the same automation or not.

Why don't you see any worker co-ops outside of small vegan bakeries and microbreweries?

Yes but no of these came as a direct result of free enterprise/market mechanics. Free market wasn't able to make a contribution to space travel until Elon Musk with Space X went into the market. And even then, Musk was loaded beforehand. Markets rarely support scientific innovation unless there is either:
A) an established concentration of wealth to circumvent the risk/cost (which either comes from someone who is already rich or the state)
B) is profitable (which space travel isn't, at least right now anyway)

You are missing the forest for a tree.

Capitalism not being perfect doesn't make socialism better.

Empirical testing shows that capitalism is far superior. History is all you need.

>because they just say 'not muh true communism'.
Why would you allow them to do that?

*none
my bad

Get the fuck out faggot
If you need help defending your own beliefs you need to kill yourself

obvious shilling is obvious
s a g e

Space is super profitable f.a.m think of all the tourism and untapped resources

Helicopter rides, communists aren't people and can't be debated as such

Mind if I ask what's the anime? I constantly see you debating communists passionately in these threads, now I need to know

>Being ancap
>realize socialism is actually pretty good
>realizing socialism is the only moral way
>Oh shit I am becoming a cuck, I have to go on Sup Forums so that people could tell me what to think
Fucking retard

Capitalism created the vast amounts of wealth which can be taxed to go to NASA though.

Not an anime, just some random artist called Hetza.

>repeats every country 4 times
Yugoslavia worked

I'm not denying that capitalism doesn't create those "vast amounts of wealth", just that it needs the state to direct that wealth towards, in this instance, space travel. The amount of R&D it required to get space travel to this point would've been pretty unprofitable for a company to go through. They wouldn't see profits for generations to come. An unfettered free market would be very unlikely to create these sorts of innovations. The free market is much better at making worthless culture, e.g. marvel movies, selfie sticks, boy bands