Hey Sup Forums. So I grew up without a decent male role model (my father was a fucking abusive jackass). I'm looking for some books on -- well, I'm not exactly sure.
I guess I've never really understood the concept of "being a man" or "masculinity". Are there are philosophical works that discuss the role of masculinity, its purpose, what a man is "meant" to be? Preferably as unbiased as possible, of course that's difficult.
I don't want to be a giant pussy. Likewise, I don't necessarily want to be a giant toolbag Chad type either. I'm not looking for SJW Twitter bullshit but I'm not looking for Dick Masterson either. I just want to be a good, strong man for the sake of self-improvement. I feel like I've been a bit of a pussy and my emotions have been a bit too rampant for my own tastes.
Are there any works (whether blogs or physical books) you would recommend that explore the concepts of masculinity as a whole, the roles of men over time, within families, within romance, within the workplace, within art, and so on?
been seeing these two guys around here a lot - can someone give me a quick rundown?
Kevin Cook
>but I'm not looking for Dick Masterson either Listen to the REAL Dick Masterson on his podcast, that's the model of a man.
Connor Hill
Can Alpha's still be kind to women or do they all have to be wife beaters?
Kayden Adams
Join the military.
Christopher Gutierrez
stronglift 5x5, protein, sleep
Dominic Ward
I think the thought process I've generated is that it's loosely based on "be yourself". But that's not quite the whole truth to it, you have to be able to keep yourself in line. Because of my shitty ass upbringing I'm prone to outbursts that are just not great to be around. That kind of shit needs to be kept in line.
I guess I'm mostly interested to see what other people, specifically published authors, think about these kinds of subjects. Does it really devolve into treating women like meat and making all their decisions for them? etc.
Eli Allen
>Hands on hips >Alpha
Nolan Reyes
You can still like women and not take shit from them at the same time. Just don't compromise your character or self-respect for one and you'll be golden.
Lincoln Thomas
Nietzsche
Landon Moore
stand straight,shoulders backs, chest out speak from the chest speak with authority act superior and others will treat you so act confident even if your not and it will appear so STOP MASTURBATING
Brody King
just poison yourself with lead until your IQ is
Camden Thompson
aaron clarey on youtube and his books are good
Jason Barnes
Animal behaviouralist here, Alpha beta is a school yard psychology. Its not real
Samuel Smith
just read Aurelius and Epictetus and Chesterton and watch Chuck Connors in Rifleman.
Kayden Garcia
Elaborate
Connor Scott
Serious answer: read a few good books on the nature of masculinity. There are so many poor male role models out there that you need to understand masculinity before you can identify it and try to find it in yourself.
The Way of Men is a pretty good introduction. Some dismiss it because it was written by a homosexual but that really doesn't matter. He doesn't try to turn men into fags. He just uses his unique position as an observer of masculinity and a male to get insights that a woman never could.
Jason Jackson
>stop masturbating
What has this done for you? I've tried it for like 3 months and the only difference I felt being able to cum a gallon
Kevin Bell
>Not wanting to become a women in the current year
Kek kill yourself you insecure faggot.
Easton Martinez
>Does it really devolve into treating women like meat and making all their decisions for them? etc.
Absolutely not. Good men treat people with respect until they prove they don't deserve it, and even if that happens they still treat them with at least civility. This applies to people with and without ovaries. Guys who are generally disrespectful to women are immature, insecure cunts.
Tyler Richardson
pol does not have the answers to this
they are fucking pussies and beta orbiters, just watch HWNDU.
Asher Evans
>be me >sprained wrist on icy sloped driveway >couldnt fap for like 4 days >constantly getting hard >always want to fap >day 5 >go to bed >dick brushes on pillow >hard >fml Nofap notworth
'Masculinity' is just your testosterone level. Plenty of guys have shitty parents and no male role models but they are still masculine because they have high test.
Alphas can be anything they want, and because they have high test women will love them for it either way. But high test men are naturally less emphatic than low test men so tend to be more cruel (which women love).
Juan Reyes
supposedly more testosterone to be more manly
Leo Rogers
Just do deadlifts until you get up to 5pl8. You don't need fucking books to "teach you to be a man".
Jonathan Watson
To build on this, women in general enjoy having the burden of decision making lifted off of them. Obviously you can't make all of their decisions for them. They still have to be functioning adults in a modern world but if you lead with confidence, most women will naturally follow without even thinking about it. They won't feel like their decisions have been taken from them, they'll just feel comfortable with the world you build around them.
Zachary Baker
This book is on pretty much every Aussie dads shelf. Most adult men considering starting a family have read it or had it recommended. Steve has written a few other books, but this is the most well known. 'Raising boys' might be of interest to you as well.
Camden James
if you masterubate you are giving yourself instant gratification, then not bothering to find an actual partner.
the other problem is, especially with porn is the influences it can give off to you. when your having actual sex it might even disappoint you when you thought it was like in porn.
you need to be in peak testorone so you can be an absolute savage when you find a partner.
apart from this it's a good test of your will power and you become the true master of your desires
keep at it user, don't give in to the jew media.
Kevin Carter
>'Masculinity' is just your testosterone level. Plenty of guys have shitty parents and no male role models but they are still masculine because they have high test.
Yes, and many of them focus their masculinity on destructive tasks, ending up imprisoned. The prisons are full of masculine man who thought being a man meant acting out what they saw in some movie or rap video.
Josiah Cox
Here is a book, written by a jew about body language. It's one of the most essential books about how to appear not like a faggot and reading others bodylanguage to manipulate them.
I know, it's the enemy but it's a great book to get confident just by appearance.
Ian Williams
>forgetting about omega male
Aiden Murphy
>the other problem is, especially with porn is the influences it can give off to you. when your having actual sex it might even disappoint you when you thought it was like in porn. There's also the problem that masturbation, if practiced frequently over a long period of time, will rewire the brain as to what to expect from sex. It's not unusual for someone who has gone a long time without sex to be unable to orgasm during actual sex because real fucking feels different than slapping the salami.
Jackson Howard
>Sammy >Molcho >Moloch Nice try Hillary
Christian James
Don't denie your real ethnicity dick, your one of us, like it or not.
Liam Long
The key is that you are at the center of your circle. Then family, then friends, community. Like a dart board.
But at the bulls eye, zoom in on the Self at the center and there's another dart chart Center is health, then work, then interests.
Follow that order and it's amazing how things fall into place. Every subsequent level functions proper if the previous level is taken care of.
Health includes spiritual health, but more so diet, exercise, avoiding toxins drugs alcohol tobacco.
Cooper Bennett
nihihihilist
Lincoln Mitchell
If you haven't accepted that Jews are smarter than any other race then you're living in a fantasy land. You need to be able to see the world as it is and use it to your advantage. To write off something just because a Jew wrote it is the height of philistinism.
Nathaniel Cruz
Alright, user, I'm a life and dating coach and I'm going to try to help you out.
Having a father has nothing at all to do with whether you grow up slack jawed or a firm man, I've seen people grow up with single mothers grow up to be commanding alphas, whilst seeing people grow up with strong fathers be completely weak, most of the black community grows up fatherless and a lot of them become beasts.
The state of a guy's manhood always boils down to his lifestyle, and choices, just as you can roughly predict a man's physical body and fitness if I were to give you his entire weekly eating schedule and how much he moves and works out.
Most men who find they need help with their own alphaness are men who generally lead weak lives with very little comfort zone leaving and thus mold into this, a lot of them also believe that changing their ideology towards manhood by learning new things or reading books will change things, it never does and it never will, manhood like everything else in life takes effort and every inch of effort is paid in kind.
You lead your day with tiny tiny things, wake up coffee, the way you interact with people, the thirst you show girls, the body language you portray when interacting with people, these tiny things can always be adjusted, in baby steps, to be a bit firmer and stronger, of course this is also hard to do, because the comfort zone will always always lie mostly in being completely slack jawed and weak willed and dependent on people.
Just asking you to not show any vulnerability or weakness when talking to girls is going to be a bit uncomfortable, and maybe even challenging, just asking you to stop masturbating, stop smoking, stop laying in bed on weekends will be out of the comfort zone and will be a challenge.
No book in the world will teach you how to be a man, even a child knows how a man should act, every tiny situation you go through has a "manly" way of handling it and a "pussy" way of handling it, cont.
Austin Morales
Holy fuckin shit... what the fuck is wrong with millenials?
We need to figure out how to fix this issue so the next generation isnt as fuckep up.
Here is your answer OP: John Wayne.
Adam Parker
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Owen Perez
it's simple. be confident. what does that mean?
good posture. speak with purpose. don't seek approval from others. don't ask permission. be assertive.
when women say they want a "nice guy" they are talking about a classic cowboy. tough. assertive. good shape. a strong man that does nice things.
don't back down from assholes . if someone is pissing you off or crossed a line dig in your Damn heal and get pissed off.
a kind wolf. now a God dammed poodle. no one wants to fuck a poodle.
marshal arts are a key to confidence. the knowledge that you can bust someone up if needed is a huge confidence boost. somthing practical like Maui Thai. you need to get into fights and get hit to have confidence in your own ability. get in the ring.
learn. read. repeat. you need to be confident in the things you talk about. this comes from reading
Brody Sanchez
He's probably referring to the fact that even in the animals it was supposedly in, it's not a real thing.
Alpha/Beta shit is for retards.
Andrew Parker
>>/r9k/
Henry Brown
It is, however, in in your tiny actions every day and habits that will make you, and as you change your habits and tighten them up in every aspect, you will tighten up, and become a stronger man.
change your habits and you change, this is the only way, and it comes with a grind, and it's not easy, however, it's the only way, good luck.
Ryder Morgan
just be yourself nothing worse than fake
Jordan Lopez
I read this a few days ago actually. Decent and true concepts but ultimately kinda... moot? It breaks down what masculinity is in the purest of amoral essence but doesn't really answer the "so what?" question.
We can strive to have all the strength, courage, mastery, and honor we want, but fact is even the author that wrote this probably don't want society to collapse just so we can return to the Way of Men, but he makes it sound like he does, and that societal collapse is the only way for men to truly feel and be men again lol.
Kinda silly, but definitely worth reading.
Anyone else have a good book on this topic?
Aaron Rogers
Hey OP, hope you're still reading these.
You should at least check out a book by John Eldridge called "Fathered by God". His thesis is that everything you missed getting from your father (and we ALL missed something because no father is really perfect), God is there because he actually is your perfect heavenly father.
>in b4 Christcuck etc. haters won't read it, but it is actually really good stuff.
THere are certain truths we need to realize and own as we grow from boys to men. We too often totally miss them, or believe the opposite.
We are meant to grow in stages, he labels them beloved son > cowboy > warrior > lover > king > sage or something like that. Anyway, it's really good and you will be doing yourself a favor if you check it out.
Benjamin Foster
Masculinity and femininity are just congregations of different traits and ways to express yourself befitting certain archetypes.
Likely, even without decent male role model you know what constitutes traits for either, how a feminine girl is seen in comparison with manly guy. Lot of it is over the top stereotype though.
In general, don't worry too much about it. Think of either as kind of sets of ideals - feminine delicate subtlety versus manly confident directedness, for example. And then, for best results, find something between the extremes that suits you the best and stick to it.
Any adult living a life with family and regular itneraction with others will tell you that rarely simply one stereotypical approach will work. Often how you should react depends on the situation and who you deal with. I am talking not about faking it, but being mindful of what would help and what you really feel is the best approach without worrying about how manly of feminine it'll look.
Thomas Gomez
I've read books on body language, believe me, the whole 'fake it till you make it' approach does not work. It's good for certain situations and of course worth a read to know and avoid faggot body languages that you don't even know you exhibit, but you wont fool anyone with confidence IN THE LONG run.
Matthew Brown
some is your natural testosterone levels, some is learned behavior
The best thing you can do is exercise regularly, specifically lifting weights
Alexander Powell
>my father was a fucking abusive jackass
So was mine and I turned out fine, although a bit of an abusive asshole myself. Was your father not there most of the time? Raised mostly by your mom, yeah? Because that's what forms betas, not abusive fathers.
Gavin Thomas
omg this spaz either had mind bigger than his body costume or had a real great advisors
Benjamin Ramirez
The fucking dungarees are what makes him look beta, not hands on hips.
>tfw can't stop putting hands on hips because i got used to resting my hands on my hip pads in football
Jackson Sullivan
He was mostly neglectful. She was kinda awful too.
William Wilson
Jack Donovan
Jayden Russell
You can be both
Landon Lopez
Being a man isn't about fucking women it's not about dominating those around you
Being a man is about confidence purpose always striving to better yourself. If your fit your testostorne levels will be higher. You are not a product of your environment you make your an environment a product of you. Being a man is helping people you care about better themselves. It's about putting smug pompous bullies in there place stick up for the little guys help them grow. Being a man is taking no shit. Being a man is being strong brave not a pussy not straying away from a Chalange. If you confident and strong the women the respect the benefits of being alpha will come but it's starts from within. It's self actualization
Oliver Moore
Maybe you misunderstand my intetnion here. It's a good book for starting your journey. It's illustrated (always good to see your own and work on you) and it's encouraging exercising. It shows your flaws and how you appear to others and how you find out if someone else is not to be trusted and how you can make it an advantage to your cause. I don't say it's the holy grail, but from my own experience it helped me alot when I was young. To see yourself how you appear to others and change that with exercises (some are hard and some are easy to work on). OP asked about some advice and this book came into my mind at first, because it's easy to understand (The author was a phantomime and worked with it on a daily basis . Also a professor for music and performing arts at a vienna university) and giving step by step instructions. If you are not very confident and not the psyop-guy who studied that shit it's just a great book to start with. There are other factors that play a big role like education and eloquence but a simple how to not-instantly-being-seen-as-a-faggot. Sometimes you need a boost.
Jordan Thompson
yeah, mudslimes are sub beta indeed
Jeremiah Williams
This, being capable of being self reliant is something I would add. Know how to fix a toilet, change a tire, know first aid. A useful man is a good man.
Grayson Rivera
Total bullshit.
Women only respect good looking trust funders.
Christopher Foster
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
Luis Sullivan
Lol shut up salty leaf your either an idiot or a troll but either way you suck :)
Isaac Ward
Rational Male blog, starting with "year one" is a MUST. I can't stress this enough. He's an older guy too, I think 50 and he stands far above other men writing about the reality of gender relations.
Hunter Powell
Go hang out at Return of Kings and read their archives, its all there
Michael Smith
Ya. Tried that. Got super horny. Flitting with qt 20/20 chicklette. Send a bit to creepy msg cause too horny. Hasn't replied in over a week. SSW them.in person and outright avoided me. Fuck your no fap shit
Zachary Mitchell
Must have violated rules 1 and 2.
Lincoln Collins
No idea whet those rules are.. As soon as I hit send I know I was done. Fuck you retards. Masturbation is natural. Just don't be addicted to it
Austin Hernandez
You could do a lot worse than starting with George Washington's "Rules of Civility and Decent Behaviour in Company and Conversation." Some of it is fussy and old-fashioned, but most of it is excellent, timeless advice.
Not true man I know this guy he's a friend of mine saw him today goffy looking as hell fucked up teeth but he has charisma in spades he's tall about 6'2 he's a white man has a beautiful light skinned black wife a rarity I'm not usually attracted to black women but this women is one of the exceptions he has 3 beautiful children. He runs a trucking company and uses it for his cannabis business he's far from rich but does alright. Attractivness helps No doubt but personality is way more important then looks especially for men
Ian Lewis
>avoids eye contact how can you stop yourself from doing this? I realized recently that I almost never look at people directly
Gavin Thompson
i think you need to just not be a fuckin' pussy.
Julian Cox
Apparently, neither do you.
Dominic Smith
"A man is somebody who bears the burden of being a man without complaint."
Basically, do what you have to do to achieve success and don't be a pussy about it, but also don't be a loud mouthed jack ass.
Tada, you are now a man and different to all the other whiny fuck wits.
Liam Thomas
if u me and ur wifes son, we were all hands on hips somewhere we would be a formidable-looking force. if we had our hands over our penises we'd look like slave men faggos
Nathaniel King
Show some respect, he killed 6 gorrillion people.
Aiden Peterson
It's astounding; Time is fleeting; Madness takes its toll. But listen closely...
Not for very much longer.
I've got to keep control.
I remember doing the time-warp Drinking those moments when The Blackness would hit me
And the void would be calling...
Let's do the time-warp again. Let's do the time-warp again.
It's just a jump to the left.
And then a step to the right.
Put your hands on your hips.
You bring your knees in tight. But it's the pelvic thrust That really drives you insane. Let's do the time-warp again. Let's do the time-warp again.
IGNORE EVERYONE START WITH THE GREEKS I REPEAT START WITH THE GREEKS
Alexander Roberts
i kinda understand that when i lost my virginity i was a semi late bloomer 20 years old. it was honestly disappointing wasn't even close to how great i thought it would be and i think jerking off and porn played a major role in that i cut my porn intake in half after that im striving to cut it out entirely
Julian Carter
>my father was a fucking abusive jackass
kek. Get BTFO's you stupid beta. You deserved it
Evan Young
Oh you need a quick rundown?
Jason Reed
I've treated women poorly all my life and it's worked well with me. It's the only way to actually get bitches in my opinion. Most the guys I know who don't get laid are whiteknight faggots IRL. Like /r9k/-tier dudes who say they hate women to sound alpha but the moment they get the chance to talk to a girl they're holding doors open for them and doing all that weak shit
Adrian Gonzalez
Start reading Robert E. Lee's biography. You won't find a better example of how the ideals of duty and honor reflect in the every day life of a gentleman.
Alphas can be whatever they want, but most really hot women who love to party and mate will never be with a man who treats them like they're above him, and in fact, are most turned on when a man treats them like utter shit.
From my experience it's the average looking and ugly girls that dream of being a princess, whilst the really hot and above average girls just want to be treated like the way they feel on the inside, ugly.
Christian Brown
There's no instruction manual on being a man and navigating society. Anyone who tells you there is one correct way to be a man probably hasn't grasped the full picture themselves.
Best advice I know is that, as long as you work to improve yourself everyday you'll never have to regret because you'll always be the best version of yourself.
In general, exercise is important. You don't have to be a health nut powerlifter but regular regular exercise is great for keeping you mentally and physically healthy. If you're healthy, you'll be confident without effort.
As far as books are concerned Starting Strength is a great intro to exercise. And Mediations by Marcus Aurelius is a great trove of wisdom
Do your best to be your best.
Liam Foster
This is a good example. This guy was the perfect example of what a great man is. It amazes me to think that men like this barely even exist anymore. Imagine disagreeing with the cause that you're fighting for, but doing it just to maintain the honor of the cause. This guy literally led thousands of men to fight just for honor and integrity, even when he personally disagreed with secession. Great man. I'm fucking pissed they're pulling down one of his statues in Virginia
Ayden Morris
Start strengthening eye contact with people you trust, then friends, acquaintances, and eventually strangers
Easton Wood
Way of the superior man 48 laws of power How to win freind and influence people The obstacle is the way
