Meat-eater and Vegan union thread.
ITT: Vegans and Meat-eaters meet in order to speak of their beliefs in a civilized manner, and offer recipes to people looking to try out a different meal style for a little while.
I don't plan on becoming an actual vegan, but varying my diet is always nice. Any vegans here that have any good recommendations? Something tasty?
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I eat meat but I legit feel bad about it sometimes, cows are friggen adorable and clearly intelligent and emotional creatures.
And that's all I have to say on the matter.
I disagree with your sentiments, but respect your convictions, fellow burgers.
Make lunch great again.
Thank you my friend ally. What tribe are you? Vegan or Meateater?
I eat meat.
I wish I ate less meat and that animals were treated and slaughtered less cruelly.
I will never knowingly eat halal meat.
Meat eater, but in moderation like any decent person.
If you eat flesh you're a mouth breathing follower.
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I agree, user.
I myself am a strong supporter of in-vitro meat production to increase yields and efficiency, while eliminating costs, pollution, cruelty, and food security risks.
You got sause? I'd like to be convinced by something other than muhchinastudy and some talks from "doctors"
Ignore this thief of (Yous), his existence hinged on digital letters writ in blue.
Back to our properly self-moderated discussion.
As a radical vegan communist I disapprove this thread because the only good fascist is a dead fascist.
fuck off, faggot.
fuck off, faggot
I don't want to sound like a retard here, but I've only been slightly redpilled on the meat industry. What is "in-vitro meat production"?
>cows are friggen adorable and clearly intelligent and emotional creatures.
Cows are disgusting and fairly dumb animals. they're not exactly bred for top mental performance.
And they're bad for the climate too, most other meat-producing animal has a lower carbon footprint.
Also, if you love cows so much: If humanity goes vegan billions of cows will be removed. Where do you think the horses went when cars took their place?
So don't do shit for the love of farm animals, that's just misplaced sentiment. Do it for everything else.
It's faggot talk for lab grown meat
In-vitro meat is the practice of producing meat under highly controlled conditions to produce what is colloquially known as test-tube meat.
Despite this misnomer, this product promises to produce steak grade meat at a fraction of the costs, with none of the risks or moral misgivings associated with traditional livestock methods.
en.wikipedia.org
Good reading.
>all the cute fuzzy mammals and smiley faces lizards being ground up and fucked by the machines that grow and harvest vegan people's veggies
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Oh, yeah. Heard about that yesterday.
>tfw no personal source of savory beef
>tfw no device which puts out a steak on demand
"There's more cruelty in a glass of milk than in a plate of steak"
Gary Francione
His point is, the dairy industry drags the cruelty out whilst cows sent to the slaughterhouse at least have the mercy of a swifter death.
If the meat is killed humanely ie. bolt to the brain then exsanguinated or is the meat is demonstrably retarded ie. fish I'm fine with it.
Basically following the rule of
>If I reincarnate as a food animal a few times it shouldn't be too bad
Hope I don't reincarnate as a goat in the ME desu
>raped then stabbed in the throat
see
Also, pic related.
This chop was not cut from any living creature.
No diseases, bacteria, hormones, medicines, or parasites. In retrospect I wish this was wide scale thirty years ago.
fml, forgot the pic.
>another reason people hate vegans
Any sause on why we should be vegans?rules.
No china study
No youtube doctors
No book doctors
No TED
You don't have to like us, we will stop the supply lines soon.
I'm vegetarian but I applaud all who eat pork cause fuck muslims
I eat meat.
However, I really don't like factory farming.
I'm considering hunting an alternative, because not only would I feel better knowing that I ate an animal that was free its entire life, but I hear that veal is delicious.
For them non-meat eaters who want to eat some meat, try Texas-style chili.
It's like regular chili, but with chunks of brisket in it. You can make it in a crock pot, and it's incredibly delicious.
If you feel any shame or sympathy for the animals you eat, you are a mental child. Grow the fuck up, they're stupid animals, I couldn't care less how adorable they are.
I don't hate you, we'd probably get along fine as long as you don't touch my stuff
DOWN WITH THE VEGAN AGENDA
Do we as humans have the right to basically enslave the farm animals, force them to mass reproduce and then mass slaughter them just for our taste buds?
>inb4 yes
No marbling, select/10
I'd do that with negroes.
Well, if Trudeau gets his way, you'll get that anyways.
yes. why not? we even try to treat them "humanely" while wild predators do pretty gruesome stuff to whatever they catch.
Yeah its the tastebuds and not survival. Can't live off rabbit food so far as i can tell
I can't wait for designer steaks.
I would be 100% on board with this if it's actually cheaper, which it probably is.
Farming is expensive.
Maybe, maybe not. But I fully believe that we as individual humans have the right to hunt wild animals for meat just like any other meat eating animal.
With industrial food (processed, with supplements etc.) it's possible to live on a vegan diet without deficiencies. And you can get your protein from eggs and milk too, it's not like you have to eat meat for that.
Absolutely, and now that the land/population ratios are throwing meat into the luxury good column, I'm keen on cheaper meat as well.
At this point it's really all a matter of infrastructure. Once that's in place the cost drops.
Didn't Germany once have a thriving group of food entrepreneurs looking at in-vitro meat production once upon a time?
I recall an article, but the exacts escape me.
Hunting is based.
>Know exactly where you food comes from
>Know exactly how your food was processed
yes
It's not as simple as that.
Yes, factory farming is disgusting.
However, we ARE an omnivorous species, and meat is in our diet.
If you can find a local farm that does a small scale operation(throw a rock and you'll find one, especially if you live near the more liberal parts of the countryside), then go there and request some lamb or cow and ask it to get butchered.
It's more expensive, but A. They most likely don't use antibiotics and B.It tastes better because the animal isn't stressed out and has eaten well(not just the regular feed they give cows at factory farms.)
This has a lot of promise. However, the problem they're running into right now are fat cells. There was a taste test for lab grown meat, and the biggest complaints were the fact that it's entirely lean, which gives it no flavor.
Once they perfect lab grown prime rib, then I will go full lab grown.
>Not knowing shit about the diseases, parasites, pollution exposure, or anything else about said animal until you shot it.
Gross. Your food once produces shit and piss.
>Jews disagree whether cultured meat is kosher (food that may be consumed, according to Jewish dietary laws).[59] Some Muslim scholars have stated that cultured meat would be allowed by Islamic law if the original cells and growth medium were halal
Ha, only Jews object to it. No wonder all research was halted.
enterpreneurs? no. there's research and our neighbors have made a demonstration with very overpriced beef patties. But it's still very far from being economical or more sustainable than using actual animals.
>lamb or cow
Terrible from an ecological point of view. for every "local", "humanely" raised cow you're either burning tons of rainforest (including other animals in it) for imported soy or at a very minimum using land for local monocultures which could be forest and home to far more wild animals.
footprint ranking: poultry, fish < pig < dairy cow < meat cow
I'm only speaking about western countries, especially the US and Canada.
I didn't consider the monoculture aspect of it.
Do you know what are the best vegetables for cows to eat? I'll ask the farm if they only use one crop or several next time I go there.
Veganbro here.
Eating meat is a meme. There is no health requirement and its a cultural relic from times when food was scarce.
Yes we can eat both but the sheer scale of the (((meat / dairy industry))) is jewery at best.
My heatlh and muscle mass improved with body fat decreasing after going veg/vegan. It is a hell of an adjustment though.
Tbh it has so much hate towards vegans because of big business putting out meat propoganda and making strawman arguments for vegans.
The FDA in America refuses meat to be marketed as healthy so they resort to using loose and aloof terms. Saying its "american, the right thing to do, a tradition". They never say its actually healthy.
Fun fact eggs are 40% cholesterol. Eggs are everywhere in the western diet and it is horrible for you. Milk is 10% udder puss. Heme iron in meat is cancer causing.
Plants -> animals -> us.
Plants -> us.
We just cut out the middle man. Meat is expensive, horrid for the environment and is shit for you.
When is the last time you looked at a living breathing animal and got hungry because of it? Did you want to kill it and eat it raw? We have no carniverious instinct at all. Nor do we have the teeth or jaws for raw meat. It makes us sick. The bacteria that grows after a few hours is fucking dangerous for us. Actual carnivores dont have problems eating rotting meat.
Pro-tip you havent.
Its the biggest redpill you will ever take lads.
t. Country born aussie.
>country born aussie
Oh so you weren't born in the sea like the rest of us
Redpill yourself
Raw meat doesn't actually make you sick. Have you never had sushi, steak tartare, or any number of other raw meat dishes that are safe for human consumption when made well and with good quality meat.
Cholesterol is not intrinsically bad for you and is in fact needed to live (wonder why it's in an egg or says, your brain?)
Your contention that it is from times where food is scarce gets more to the point though, humans are opportunistic eaters and have always been so to some degree. The extent of our adaptability with regard to food sources is only an asset to survival of the species.
cholesterol being unhealthy is a meme
eggs are goat
Haha just trying to state the fact i used to consume more steak than most people!
Yeah i should have been more specific. If youve killed an animal i wouldn't be comfortable consuming it after an hour or so sitting outside in the heat/elements (unless desperate).
My personal experience, i spent 3 weeks in japan. Ate raw horse, duck, pig, chicken, beef and an assortment of fish. All of which is delicious.
However they have to be prepared so specifically it detracts the fact we are carnivores. God forbid you accidently eat a small bone or eat something slightly undercooked.
If we were truly carnivores these wouldnt be problems.
And yes, its a cultural reason. Thats why Sup Forums who prides itself on seeing the forest from the trees is completely blind to this. Since we are kids we are shoveled meat and told it'll make you big and strong. Now we just repeat the same as our parents without critical analysis.
The emotional "save the animals" aspect doesn't bother me. Just a bonus. Same with the enviroment. I just care about health.
Also being vegan is a complete win for hooking up with girls. They love it.
It is a chickens unfertilized period, best germany. Comes out of an arsehole covered in shit and piss.
If that doesn't bother you, perhaps try women peroid and placentas. Far better sources for what you are looking for.
Get your protein from a less disgusting place methinks
the plants you eat are fertilized with shit as well, with bugs and worms walking all over them and animals pissing and shitting on them
if you are gonna think about food like that you're going to die from malnutrition
if you dont eat meat, you're a fucking faggot just like OP
Vegetarian for about 2 years. I stopped because of all the hormones in that shit. Processed meat gives you man tits and lowers t levels. I would eat meat again, only from a small farmer that knows his shit and makes the kill quick. But I'm too poor for it so no meat for the time being
They are intelligent. More so than a lot of animals. I keep three cows and a bull. Two of the cows are best friends (yes, cows have best friends. Look into it) and produced milk like crazy when it was just them. I brought that third bitch in and they both HATE her. You can just tell. Cows are easy to read once you've been around them for years.
You kind of have to know how to read their moods. They can do some serious damage if they don't want fucked with. Mine all like me though. Lots of good milk, butter, and cheese from the girls. I bought the bull for meat but just couldn't kill him. He's different from every bull I've ever had. Really unique personality on him. I've slaughtered livestock my whole life but Leonard is a keeper.
If I'm doing something in the field, he'll literally come find me every single time. I used to scratch his head when he was little so he just seeks me out for that. He'll push you a little to get his head rubbed. I've never seen that in a bull before.
Could be something in the breed (belted galloway) but I've known others that have kept them and they didn't have half of his personality.
If you're not into all that, they taste REALLY fucking good. Best beef in the world, imo.
Vegan here . Brown rice and beans and cashew sauce is my staple lunch. Cheap and easy as fuck to make. Just put some cashews , soy milk and nutritional yeast into a blender and that's it. Put it all together and you have 130g of carbs, 50-ish grams of protein and some fat. Not to mention tasty. Give it ago my brother's
>Belted Galloway
>Meat
Why
They're basically only used for that purpose. The meat is very good. Not the best but definitely the best meat a small farmer can hope for. The breed doesn't require a lot of upkeep, is very docile (even ones who aren't based as fuck like mine), and you can keep them close with other animals. I don't have the room not to keep him what would be too close for some other breeds.
A belted galloway is truly the best meat a two person farm can produce. No question...
it's not just about monoculture. it's the amount of feed they need per kilogram of meat. cows are not very efficient. so more hectares of land need to be cultivated to feed them compared to the land needed to feed chicken for example. a lot of that land used to be forest.
when you're eating meat you're eating the carcasses of animals. animals wading through their own shit and having their shit spead over the plants they eat.
if you want "clean" food you'll have to grow algae and yeast in bio-reactors. that'll be a pretty bland diet.
My mental health improved dramatically after I went vegan, and I actually enjoy eating vegetables now. Fruit smoothies make amazing breakfasts, too.
My life isn't perfect now and I'm not pretending it is, but I just feel overall healthier and cleaner now than I ever did as a meat eater.
Although I didn't go vegan for my health, I did it because I felt guilty about the torture animals go through. I also have zero appetite for meat now and the sight of it gives me the same reaction I would have looking at poop.