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卐 - NATSOC ECONOMICS EXPLAINED ------------------------------- >One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.
William Wilson
>Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.
>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. >Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.” - Adolf Hitler 1938
I like these threads. I'm recently finding myself redpilled and want to wholly accept the white pride.
Josiah Bell
卐 - FASCIST/NATSOC MOVIES: --------------------------- The following link contains 26 Third Reich movies (One from fascist Italy, one from occupied France). All are good quality DVDRIP (x265 codec) and all have English subtitles.
List and genre: >Bismarck 1940 Biopic, Historical >Condottieri 1937 Historical, Adventure (Fascist Italy) >Das Herz Der Königin (The Heart of the Queen) 1940 Anti-British, historical >Der große König (The Great King) 1942 Biopic, historical >Der Kaiser von Kalifornien (The Emperor of California) 1936 Anti-greed, historical >Der Sieg Des Glaubens (The Triumpth of the Faith) 1933 NSDAP propaganda
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 1) >"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"
Marxist (Left) socialism and National (Right) Socialism are "antipodal zeitgeists engaged in dialectic". That's a fancy way to say they're opposite ideologies designed to clash, like Yin and Yang.
NatSoc was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while Marxist socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on racial identity. Socialism, in contrast, was a class war between workers, bosses, and owners (Capitalists), aiming to build a workers state in which race and gender were insignificant. Socialists, especially Marxist socialists, were anti-religious atheists, whereas NatSoc went so far as to make Christianity the religion of the state.
The differences go on and on: Marxist socialism was internationalist, NatSoc was nationalist. Marxist socialism was egalitarian, whereas NatSoc believed that nature was unequal and required competition. Marxist socialism wanted to nationalize all private industry, while NatSoc privatized every major industry except the railroads (it considered these a military asset. In fact, Hitler once joked "they didn't need to nationalize property because they nationalized people". NatSoc drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class-focused socialism as a non-German ideology.
Levi Lopez
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Evan Cox
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 2) >"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"
NatSoc redefined socialism as "Germanism/Volkism", which they saw as "producer-oriented capitalism", as opposed to "Jewish capitalism", aka, international finance, globalism, wall street, etc. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it. Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength. NatSoc could be more "free market" as Americans know it, or less. But NatSoc is always in favor of the Volk over economic identity, of "producer capitalism" over "finance capitalism".
Hitler tried to clarify the distinction in 1938: >“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. >Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. ((((Marxism))) is anti-property; true socialism is not. ((((Marxism))) places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 3) >"National Socialism / Fascism was a failed system"
It's intellectually dishonest to label something that was forcibly crushed a "failed system", implying that a nation bombed into collapse during war is comparable to a system imploding politically during peace-time. The Soviet system failed, as did the Roman Empire, and every Chinese or Ottoman dynasty. Some of these examples of government lasted thousands of years, while some didn't last more than a generation. All forms of government inevitably fail. This has been true since ancient times. Polybius famously articulated this process of Anacyclosis: social organization paradigms rise, fail, and give way to further systems. This is the cycle of history.
Fascism is not a failed system, it was a defeated system: A.) it was not an economic system, but a social one; B.) the so-called "failed system" had a control group: the US. Germany, Italy, and the US were operating under Keynesean policies; only one of them won the war, and experienced a massive period of growth once their industrial rivals were destroyed. So no, it wasn't a failed system, because both sides were using it, including the side that won.
>Lebensraum: 'Lebensraum' is often intentionally exaggerated by those wanting to push the fractal "Hitler planned to exterminate all races" meme. The actual meaning of Lebensraum referred to the security of the German borders, and the need to provide living space so that Germans aren't threatened by outside forces. To claim that "living space" meant solely "to exterminate and re-populate more land than there would have been Germans to inhabit, for several generations after the war" is absurd, and contradicts the policies of "Germanization" that were ACTUALLY PRACTICED by the Germans regarding their Slavic allies:
Hitler didn't consider Russians subhuman. He considered them inferior. Because in terms of living, they were. Seriously, look at the living style of the average Soviet, then compare them to a German in 1930, they were, by all accounts inferior. He even talks about how some Russians of the old rich class were Germanic. There were multiple reasons for the invasion of the Soviet Union, for example: >1. To gain the necessary resources to fuel a long time war, something that Germany was severely lacking. >2. To prevent the inevitable invasion of Europe by the Soviet Union. If you gonna start a war, it's best to have the first strike. >3. To disband the Bolshevik and Jewish regime in the Soviet Union, something Hitler knew would be a threat to Germany.
True, the Germans would've gained land from defeating the Soviets and would certainly have sent its citizens into this newfound land, just like the allies did to German clay they gained after WW1 and WW2. The Germans wouldn't have exterminated Russians. They simply would have governed them.
Angel Robinson
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 5) >generalplan ost: 1. There is absolutely no proof of Generalplan Ost ever existing. 2. Hitler would have been fine with a path through the Polish Corridor (pic 1). If Poland had agreed to the terms then there would have been no war. 3. Germany did not massively blob into Eastern Europe like wiki suggests, they had very clear borders(pic 2). The eventual goal was to set up puppet states, not wipe out the populace. 4. If the plan was to exterminate Slavs, then why were there no camps for that purpose? The deaths in Eastern Europe are from starvation and warfare, not extermination. 5. Plenty of Slavs fought alongside Germans in the Russian Liberation Army, SS Galician, and others.
Hard to say. First and foremost, apply the NatSoc lifestyle to yourself (the individual). Be of sound body and mind. Reproduce (SS members were required to have more children than the average family).
At a local level, possible enclaves can established. At the national and international level a happening would have to occur. Either an economic collapse and/or demographic conflicts.
Hail victory brother. Let's keep these threads rolling tonight.
Easton Stewart
This larp shits gay as hell dude
Dylan Lopez
So unfortunately, no.
Levi Diaz
Join us.
This is a politics board.
I don't believe in giving out false promises. I don't accept defeatism either.
Camden Ramirez
>At the national and international level a happening would have to occur. You'd be surprised. It might not happen as it did between 1920 and 1933, but there are circumstances today that could make it happen again. I think a lot of people underestimate white genocide as a motivator for European peoples. In the last 40 years it was easy to dismiss, because we had not yet reached the point where the consequences of immigration and cultural marxism were tangible. Now we can't look anywhere and escape it. As the white population declines, deep instincts will begin to activate in them, and those of us able to forcefully and passionatley articulate the problems and our solutions, will accelerate those instincts activating. Don't be surprised if the popularity of our ideas suddenly picks up, and moves faster than we were prepared for. Be ready for that day.
Jordan Morris
>Sup Forums is just satire >I'm just here for the memes, not reality Shove your 7 degrees of irony up your ass back on faggot
Henry James
>Sure the nazis invaded Poland in a war of conquest and massacred Polish leaders in Operation Tannenberg, Intelligenzaktion, Palmiry massacre, and AB-Aktion which killed ~128,000 Poles. And sure the nazis conducted the war in the most brutal way possible, bombing Warsaw into dust. And sure they forced all the remaining Poles into ghettos and forced labour camps. And sure the nazis set up all their concentration camps and death camps in Poland. And sure Polish people were forced into ghettos and starved to death (90,000). And sure Polish people were brutally oppressed. And sure the nazis began "germinzation" of Poland by suppressing and trying to erase any trace of their history and culture, which included plans to completely restructure Warsaw. And sure they eventually bombed Warsaw into dust once more during the Warsaw uprising. And Sure the nazis brutally persecuted Poles for their catholic faith, most famously killing the now canonized Saint Maximilian Kolbe And sure Nazis started burning hospitals down, murdering thousands of sick polish people and raping Polish women on a mass scale. And sure they were even kidnapping thousands of Polish children to brainwash them to be subservient to their nazi overlords. and sure at the end of it all over 2 Million non jewish Poles were killed by the nazis, But this document says they loved poles!
Christian Lopez
>~128,000 Poles Maybe Beck shouldn't have conspired with Churchill and Halifax to bait a war with Germany and divide her up. They poked the bear and got mauled. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes you cucky faggot. You sound like a kike crying about "muh 6 gorillion". You prove Hitler right: Slavs were turning into untermenschen from jewish subversion.
Isaac Mitchell
Have to confess that I believe I am a moral person who never wishes violence on anyone, but it pains me so much when my family members accuse me on being hateful when I try to redpill them on kikes or natsoc.
The information is so fucking obvious that Hitler was the leader who really, really loved his people, and I believe his love for the nation motivated his passion, not his hate for the others.
I often wish people would wake up and just LOOK at the fucking evidence, but when I try to redpill my own brother, the problem is not him disagreeing and presenting counter-evidence, but him simply REFUSING to listen at the evidence, telling right away it's "nazi propaganda" or "fake news".
Sorry for concern trolling here but this shit right here causes mental issues for me and I don't know how to approach my situation. I love my family, and they love me, and sometimes I wish to go back to my bluepilled past, but no matter how I try, I can't unsee the truth, and always arrive back to the redpill conclusion.
Sieg heil my brothers, hope one day it becomes safe for us to tell the truth to our people.
Camden Wood
Source on this?
Thomas Long
Don't forget pindos, hitler managed to partly achieve his plan of Lebensraum, if he would of have had won the majority of the population would of been exterminated with proof being of how harsh civilians were treated in actuality in occupied zones. And who cares about living conditions, they weren't even that horrible, if anything it's more appealing to pagan traditionalists.
>He even talks about how some Russians of the old rich class were Germanic.
Hitler and his gang really did highjack this word "Germanic" and made it into something as if it's inherently and savagely evil and putrid didn't they?
Also do you bastard sons want to know real Germanic history?
Fun facts.
1. German cities such as Berlin started out Slavic 2. Slavic gods were being toppled down by Christian Germans in some areas around modern day Denmark when the time came 3. It was r1a incursions that brought the Germanics the copper and iron they needed for advancement since the ar1ans mixed those metals, with proof being of the mining around places such as Arkaim.
Leo Wright
Any other books besides the ones OP posted? And any good sites besides the ones that are in the pastebin? Is Nsm88 (American Nazi party) redpilled?
I'm new to the movement and I'm interested in joining any organization that promotes our cause
Benjamin Phillips
Dude leave your family out of it, you have to live with them forever don't fuck it up because you're too autistic. Redpill strangers if you have to, don't shit where you eat
Aiden Cooper
cont.
Also if Odin was also a man on earth he could of been Aryan with possibly no central european farmer admixture.
“Fun fact: Germanics literally worshipped Asian people as gods. The Icelandic Ygnlinga Saga sheds enough light on the subject to reveal that the heavenly realm of Asgard is almost certainly an analogue to Asia, Odin himself likely the Warrior-Chief of a man who lived there and impressed the Norse peoples with his exploits.”
"The country east of the Tanaquisl in Asia was called Asaland, or Asaheim, and the chief city in that land was called Asgaard. In that city was a chief called Odin, and it was a great place for sacrifice. It was the custom there that twelve temple priests should both direct the sacrifices, and also judge the people. They were called Diar, or Drotner, and all the people served and obeyed them. Odin was a great and very far-travelled warrior, who conquered many kingdoms, and so successful was he that in every battle the victory was on his side. It was the belief of his people that victory belonged to him in every battle. It was his custom when he sent his men into battle, or on any expedition, that he first laid his hand upon their heads, and called down a blessing upon them; and then they believed their undertaking would be successful. His people also were accustomed, whenever they fell into danger by land or sea, to call upon his name; and they thought that always they got comfort and aid by it, for where he was they thought help was near. Often he went away so far that he passed many seasons on his journeys."
Austin Cook
>it pains me so much when my family members accuse me on being hateful Hate isn't a sin; it's the form that Love takes when what you love is threatened. I love my people. I love western civilization. When I see the Muslim hordes and the Jewish shills laughing about white women being raped, our race being bred away, and the destruction of everything noble and good in the world, I feel hate. I'm not ashamed of my hate: I would gladly become God's monster, the nemesis, to punish and destroy those who would kill what I love in this world.
Do you think I should not talk politics with them?
Charles Fisher
>Is Nsm88 (American Nazi party) redpilled?
If you're into drug dealing, sister fucking, trailer park living, tattooed skinheads.
In which case, you don't belong here.
I avoid all politics with my family because it only ever leads to arguing and yelling.
Daniel White
Agreed, hate and love are two sides of the same coin, that is the reason why I understand natsoc's hatred of kikes and globalists.
Even Jesus lashed out in great anger here and there, he was not the kind of hippie that leftists paint him to be.
Leo Fisher
I knew that already I was just asking
Liam Foster
Then no.
Nolan Ward
>Do you think I should not talk politics with them? Be extremely subtle, and only speak about what you know they don't have trained defenses against. For example, don't walk up and start a convo saying: >Did you know Hitler was right, and dindu nuffin? You start by talking about immigration, and how Oikophobia and self-hatred makes leftist politics and people preaching multiculturalism seem dangerous. They seem to be driven by hatred of their own people, and a desire to punish Europeans for imagined crimes -- not to help the 3rd world or actually do justice.
Show them the truth of what's happening in the world, and who is behind it. Once they can accept that, you can tell them solutions that natsoc or white nationalism would provide. Sometimes, they need the groundwork laid, before they can face the fact that they were lied to about who the good guys and bad guys were.
>Even Jesus lashed out in great anger here and there pic related
>if he would of have had won the majority of the population would of been exterminated See You are also confusing the term Übermensch as if it is racial.
>Hitler didn't consider Russians subhuman. He considered them inferior. Because in terms of living, they were.
Nordic people who are today's Üntermensch, not the Slavs.
You know your own family better than any user here. My philosophy is that if someone with an opposing view among my family or friends, I would speak up, but do it subtly. There is no need to go full 1488. Drop small doses of red pills. Some people you discover, are too far gone though, learn who is worth it or not.
Colton Long
Are you looking for just books or groups to join (why)?
I'd personally recommend For My Legionaries by Codreanu and The Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini.
John Ross
>If you're into drug dealing, sister fucking, trailer park living, tattooed skinheads. >In which case, you don't belong here. It's time to stop virtue signalling like this against fellow white nationalists. I'll take the tatted peckerwood Aryan Brotherhood former felon from the state penitentiary over most of the alt-right keyboard warriors with their Pepes and childish bullshit any day.
I dont even disagree that these guys are mostly low-IQ, idiots with criminal pasts, who look like shit. But I've known many of them over the years. They are what our society has done to white men and women. This is what happens to white who can't engage in white flight with the white collar class. That being said, the vast majority of them are passionate about defending the white race, and think the way we do. If in their past they wound up in prison, they got tatted because it was their survival at stake. They joined the Aryan Brotherhood because in prison its a race war.
If they show up at rallies, if they spread redpills, if they advocate against white genocide, they're my brothers. I'm not going to waste a minute shitting on whites that know what we fight against and why we must. I'm not going to advocate that people emulate them, but I'm not going to run around like alt-right faggots virtue signalling all this anti-white shit, spreading division, and pretending I'm above it all. Alt-right are the faggiest newfriends in the world. They havent bled or suffered for anything in life. Just keyboard warriors and ecelebs at this point.
ENOUGH WITH THE JIDF PROMOTED INFIGHTING MEMES. White nationalists are white nationalists. Know your side.
Austin Evans
>I'll take the tatted peckerwood Aryan Brotherhood former felon from the state penitentiary over most of the alt-right keyboard warriors with their Pepes and childish bullshit any day.
Then you're fucking dumb as a box of rocks and have no idea how persuasion and culture war works.
Im gonna post this every thread, this book argues (poorly) against traditional values in a regulary signaling shitlib way
infact everything in that section argues against traditionalism to an extent
pic related is what it looks like
Lincoln Lee
>and have no idea how persuasion and culture war works I struck a nerve. Redpill me on marketing, and how to merchandise natsoc as "not natsoc". Tell me about how much "muh aesthetics" have done for the movement. Tell me about the Meme Reich, and the good news about Kek our Lord and Savior. Tell me about how much the mem-right has "done for the movement" by selling the Eternal Normie what he wants, and trying to hide your white nationalism like you're ashamed of it. If digits confirm I'll be forced to believe you.
Then, tell me about how national socialism and fascism were able to "be sold" the first time around. You're the resident merchant here, so tell me all about how to merchandise ideolgies against materialism.
Did Hitler "merchandise" his message?
Lucas Bailey
Both links to books?
>why join groups I believe in action speaks louder then words and also I'm just curious
Joshua Allen
thx for advice, much appreciated
Chase Bennett
Hail victory!
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children
Kayden Ortiz
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Jaxon Thompson
Bros, which one of Evola's books should I start with for a meta-political grounding and belief system?
This is not that simple. Both skinheads and alt-right kids are victims of the society, but victims in a different way.
Nerdy alt-right kids with pepe memes are punished by being forced into NEETdom, eternal virginity and general emasculation. They will probably never have a normal life once recognized by their peers in real life as "that weird kid who likes nazi frogs".
Skinheads however are not afraid to reveal their power level in real life, and they are punished by being forced into absolute fringes of society and degenerated away instead of being let into the front lines.
Just saying these issues are connected, not separate, and they are tracable to the single root cause - mainstream societal consciousness that leans left liberal.
Btw, what do you guys think about Spencer? Is he /ourguy/?
Nazi's in the west are the fucking worst. We have economic prosperity, low crime, high standards of living, and most importantly of all FREEDOM, and you want to throw all away for a nationalistic warmongering dictatorship regime? Stupid as fuck edgy outcast sperglords. It is no wonder modern fascism is associated with anime.
Ayden Diaz
>I struck a nerve.
Because you're stupid as shit and clearly have no goddamn idea what you're talking about. You're advocating that coked out inbred degenerate skinheads yelling about niggers in Alabama are better than the power of memes and persuasion which has converted more to white nationalism in a year than any methhead fuck has in 30 years. Don't believe me? Look it up. The rate on twitter alone that "white nationalists" are rising is 4x as great as ISIS recruitment. Keep in mind that's while twitter kikes are censoring conservatives and letting literal Islamic terrorist run amok. Gen Z is set to become to most conservative in DECADES. And that's because of the cultural pendulum swing.
But no. You think some inbred heroine addict in Kentucky waving a KKK flag and yelling about niggers is better.
Like I said. You're stupid as shit. Which leads me to believe you're either genuinely retarded (low IQ redneck), or you're a shill attempting to agent provocateur. The latter would be more sophisticated and goal driven though.
Either way. Kindly eat shit and fuck off.
Jonathan Gomez
Spencer is what we have for now, but we need someone more manly
HAHAHAAH
GREAT REPLY BRAAAAAAVO
Ryder Garcia
I have no interest in that. I want to read Evola.
Christopher Jackson
>Nerdy alt-right kids with pepe memes are punished by being forced into NEETdom, eternal virginity and general emasculation You really live under a rock if you think that's the case here. >Btw, what do you guys think about Spencer? Is he /ourguy/? Obvious Bush plant.
Juan Diaz
>Spencer is what we have for now, but we need someone more manly closet homosexual as fuck
Jeremiah Howard
Spencer is a weak faggot incapable of properly handling media attention. He's not controlled op, but he needs to sit down and stop taking credit for what we've achieved.
Bentley Morales
No its for the image you retard
People want to follow winners, people they can look up to
Listen to Dr Pierce talk about rockwell for the first 7 minutes he describes it perfectly about attracting people
This is a good question. Maybe ask someone to make a flowchart on /lit/. Don't be surprised if the thread derails though.
>We have economic prosperity Frequent Jew triggered recessions.
>low crime Multiculti rapidly is changing that
>high standards of living Again, the markets are unstable and multiculti
>and most importantly of all FREEDOM Good goy. Our federal governments are not trying to enact spying programs on citizens, de-arm them and turn places in nanny states.
Landon Campbell
Redpill them on the positive effects of ethno-nationalism, you should probably not discuss NatSoc with them. It is better to redpill people on Hitler if they are your age, much easier. Hail Victory!
Noah Bell
>Fascism Viewed from the Right >The Metaphysics of War >Notes on the Third Reich >A traditionalist confront fascism
I would read the last one on that list in conjunction with de Maistre, and 'We Anti-Moderns'. Good point / counter-point.
Spencer actually articulates quite well and looks clean and healthy, unlike Millenial Woes. He is the best of what is out there actually, and he has his use in carving the path for the right-wing renaissance.
I agree though we need someone who is less whiny and means more business.
Ethan Myers
this so much
Jace Murphy
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Gabriel Hernandez
No one wants to listen to him because he's a fucking self declared fascist.
James Collins
Implying faggy, non-confrontational, autistic introverted NEETs aren't degenerate? In a way, they're the antithesis of a fascist/NS ideal of masculinity. We need soldiers and thinkers, and ideally, a synthesis -- but we don't have it. We are going to need every single white nationalist with a heartbeat in the struggles to come. We don't have the luxury of sneering at each other, and virtue signalling about a lack of degeneracy, where the pot calls the kettle black. That's "making the perfect the enemy of the good", and I strongly suspect its motivated by a desire in the less masculine to avoid confrontation with the world. That's not confronting your own degeneracy, that's rationalizing it at the cost of people in different circumstances.
Lets be honest: skinheads are the whites who were born on the fringes -- they didn't "banish themselves" to the fringes. They're from places that were abandoned by white society, places like Sacramento, Detroit, and Modesto, in places that were blue collar and used to be white a generation ago, but got swallowed by nogs and migrants and their criminality. They were born there because their parents couldn't go buy a new house in a gated community and run away from the creeping ghetto. Shunning them is the trace of liberal elitism even former conservatives still hold onto. It's a class hatred, of middle and upper class whites for their lower class brethren. Regardless, its virtue signalling for selfish or vain reasons.
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Jordan Baker
I think that Spencer is fine.
Andrew Hall
Thank you user.
I just didn't know where to start with Evola and none of my friends are into even normal faggot tier politics or philosophy.
