Can you Yanks tell me how big this Flynn thing really is? How damaging is it for Trump and his administration? Will it cause any permanent damage to his goals and our interests?
The media are having orgasms about it but it's impossible to trust anything they say because they will make the slightest negative appear to be devastating for Trump.
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It's really pretty bad. But what's worse are the allegations that Trump's campaign were colluding with Russia to subvert the election via hacks and stolen data. That's outright treason.
>can't wait to see Trump use the defense "it's not treason since we subvert other countries' elections too!"
This is as bad as that time trumps butler made a racist facebook post.
This Guy... is a shill.
Yeah, it's kind of bad. More or less, they took a key piece from Trump in the great game of chess we've been watching for so long. It's not a huge victory, but it definitely is significant.
Potentially, this foreshadows people like Bannon, Miller, and Conway being targeted in the coming days.
>concern trolling
to address OP we have to see if it snowballs. I really don't see how it could, but we have to wait and see
He didn't even do anything wrong, but you know how Alinskyism works. They'll keep repeating their lies until people believe them.
The Dems are freaking the fuck out. It's pure desperation facilitated by the fact that the overwhelming majority of media votes Democrat. Please consider: everything they have accomplished in the last 8 years is at risk and they have nothing to save it. Both legislative houses are out of their control. They lost the Presidency. The judicial branch is dead even but with the deciding vote vacant. Who will appoint that vote? Do the math.
Not bad at all. In fact the FBI found no wrong doing.
>The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said.
The problem was he wasn't 100% clear with Pence what they talked about leading to discrepancies so Pence booted him but he didn't have to because he literally dindu nuffin. They dumped him to show they value integrity and the media is spinning it as obviously he was a Russian spy.
It makes him look at like an incompetent retard at best for keeping him on as long as he did, at worst it brings up issues again about Trump's ties to Russia.
At the very least, it's going to dominate the news cycle for the foreseeable future and public pressure will probably force a Congressional hearing.
Depending on what they find, this could fuck his entire presidency.
Flynn doesn't seem like the guy to take things laying down. You know he's got dirt on Pence and Bannon. If he goes down, he'll drag them all down with him.
scandal of the week
the msm will extrapolate it for a couple days and it will be business as usual after that
Damn CTR is fast!
But in all honesty, this deep state war will get intense. Get comfy!
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nice and concise
>colluding with the russians is no big deal
you trumpkins are pure, uncut anal cancer
>probably force a Congressional hearing
>FBI says nothing wrong was done
ok there shill
The sheer number of Democrat favoring threads should tell you everything you need to know.
It's only as damaging as the citizens think it is.
Surely Huma Abedin being the daughter of members of the Muslim Brotherhood, having direct connections to the 9/11 financiers, and being married to Anthony fucking Winer would, in a reasonable world, have been damaging.
But because the media didn't report much on it, nobody cared.
It's up to us to decide, so don't be a fucking idiot user.
You lack imagination. This can get much much worse.
Also the Russians are fucking pissed. Suddenly they're making aggressive military moves. They had big hopes that Flynn was their friend and now he's gone, so they can't trust Trump either.
Yes shuffling missiles around something they have been doing for the past 70 years. This is a new thing only Trump has seen.
Treason requires aiding an enemy; Russia is not a declared enemy.
kek's will was confirmed by my digits
deal with it drumpfkin
Well, I wasn't just speaking in terms of how much it will affect public opinion, I was also questioning how big a cog Flynn was in the Trump machine. Will he be missed or is he replaceable?
Not gonna lie to you, it's worse than pussygrabbing, muslim veteran thing or tax returns, since it's a tangible thing.
But I believe Trump will recover this. It will not make america look good or competent to have a democratically elected president in office who needs to be fired the next day.
I predict that the media will fly shit for half a year or so, and they they latch onto a new thing to shill for.
Flynn was too cozy with Russian interests for comfort, this does not reflect on Trump in any way at all, but the media is making it out out be way more than it actually is.
He underplayed his dealings with foreign interests, grounds for firing even if he was talking with say, France. His son got canned a while a go too for revealing his power level. This did not help his case at all.
The point is that they suddenly started doing it to Trump as soon as Flynn was fired. Coincidence?
Remember kids;
Whenever you are BTFOed scream "CTR" and run! Never actually analyze the situation.
Trump's poll numbers are falling and this will be part of the narrative. So independent of anything it is not a huge deal. However, the combined drip drip of not winning, lets be honest here, news degrades his ability to forward his legislation and agenda.
Republicans in congress are beginning to fragment and that will make it very hard to get anything done. What we need to do is call our Republican congress people and tell them to stand strong or its going to go very badly.
Whatever it turns out, it would NOT be treason. Fuck, the DNC isn't even a government organization.
>colluding
where are the proofs?
A much stronger case could be made for Clinton colluding with the Saudis, considering the money flow, which is an actual empirical point of evidence for conflict of interest
Estoniafriend nailed it. This is the closest we've come to an actual scandal but teflon don will be fine.
Why would it matter what Flynn is on paper?
You think Hillary has no influence right now because she's not in office?
I suppose, I just don't see the legal routes they can take. It would have to be a shitstorm of such proportions that trump had to fire someone we like. I don't see a path of impeachment, unless the neocons really want to destroy the republican party
Thats great but they have been breaking these laws since 2014 this isn't new
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>The U.S. State Department concluded in a July 2014 arms control report that "the Russian Federation is in violation of its obligations under the INF Treaty not to possess, produce, or flight-test a ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM) with a range capability of 500 km to 5,500 km (310 miles to 3,420 miles), or to possess or produce launchers of such missiles."
>What is the "Deep State"?
From Wikipedia:
>State within a state is a political situation in a country when an internal organ ("deep state"), such as the armed forces and civilian authorities (intelligence agencies, police, administrative agencies and branches of governmental bureaucracy), does not respond to the civilian political leadership. Although the state within the state can be conspiratorial in nature, the Deep State can also take the form of entrenched unelected career civil servants acting in a non-conspiratorial manner, to further their own interests (e.g. job security, enhanced power and authority, pursuit of ideological goals and objectives, and the general growth of their agency) and in opposition to the policies of elected officials, by obstructing, resisting and subverting the policies and directives of elected officials. The term, like many in politics, derives from the Greek language (kράτος εν kράτει, kratos en kratei, later adopted into Latin as imperium in imperio[1] or status in statu).
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For a revealed example, see Turkey:
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(specifically the "Acknowledgement of its existence":)
> subvert the election via hacks
How is this actually accomplished? Are those counting machines networked to the internet? Why?
>hurr...clintons did sumfin
It'll be refreshing to watch you tards crash and burn during the inevitable congressional hearings.
No, this was a sacrificial piece to deflect from something else. Flynn didn't really do anything besides violating the chain of communication and reporting obligations as a retired military official. They knew about his 2015 meeting with Putin before they took him on as security adviser. Trump always picks someone for a reason.
The media will sensationalize the Russian connection to the DNC hacks, secret deals and other fantastic conspiracy nonsense until some perported juicy bits of actual audio from Flynn's conversation with the Russians is "leaked" to a few msm shills. Nothing particularly damaging is found, and msm will frantically try to pick it apart any improprieties before releasing hit pieces with selectively edited soundbites to vindicate their already shitty image. And just when things are turning around, the whole audio clip is released to the public, revealing... nothing. Some discussion about joint efforts in fighting terrorism and boring banter. Once again, #cnn and #fakenews concurrently trend to the top, Bannon chuckles while kicking back in his office.
This whole Russia conspiracy theory has less proof than pizzagate desu goys
Yes indeed good explanation. I came to the same conclusions.
>You think Hillary has no influence right now because she's not in office?
Yes, actually. Is this naive?
Fucking tempest in a teapot.
They were already shuffling on the border as soon as Trump came into office. His response was watched carefully, and he matched their postures. another day on the global chessboard.
>where are the proofs?
There literally isn't the FBI looked at the tapes in December and found nothing the only ones committing treason are CNN here for pushing bullshit lies and halftruths.
Jesus christ you're dumb. Please go back to reading buzzfeed.
Remember when they tried to pin hacking on the Russians. This is just them pushing that same shit again.
Muh Russians.
>Where are the proofs
Really we don't care about proofs. See pizzagate and everything having to do with Clinton other than that she just sucked?
Don has been through lots of hellfire already in the businessworld, and it's certainly a tough world, I am pretty sure he has lots of experience with backstabbing and MSM lies and he will make it in the end.
>deflecting
what are empirical proofs of collusion with russia
Colluding how? Regarding what, precisely?
All you have is an adolescent-tier insult. You're just regurgitating the pablum you are spoon fed without even questioning what it consists of.
If it comes out that Trump knew Manafort was colluding with Russia to hack the DNC, they may have no choice.
I'm sure they wouldn't mind a President Pence anyways.
'They' did pin hacking on the Russians.
Muh facts.
clinton isnt the pres fag
Are those three same poll numbers that had Hillary winning the election?
Delete your account.
A person with fucking downs syndrome could have huge political agency if they had blackmail on someone.
I can't imagine how much dirt Clinton has on the whole Trump lineup.
>Our interests
Yes. Flynn was a legitimate Sup Forumsack, which is probably why he fucked up so fast. His son also got fired during the transition for being too Sup Forums.
>"it's not treason since we subvert other countries' elections too!"
"You think our country is so innocent?"
I read the CIA report. There was nothing concrete. Just suspicions that potential groups that may have hacked some sites may be funded by the Russian government. That was their "proof".
Remember kids read everything and don't trust the media's spin on shit.
It's only damaging if the (((Media))) successfully memes it into something major.
What this all really amounts to is a war between mega-media outlets and small-time outlets. The war is over the mind of the people.
Most people don't believe the MSM. However, the goal is create the illusion that most people do. They will do this with optics. They will redouble their online paid trolling operations. They will headline anti-Trump in every newspaper, lambaste him in every late night comedy, and troll him on every major tv outlet.
They will do this to give the impression of anti-Trump consensus so that they can leverage the demoralization to undermine him.
What they don't realize is that he can destroy the media with a single tweet. He's playing nice right now, but if he decides to play hardball, they lose.
shill
I love how only 1 person has commented on this...all the other retards are arguing
The national polls were pretty much on point.
>Colluding with the Russians
....is not?
(for Sup Forums)
You really approach this from the wrong angle. You keep behaving as if Sup Forums is a Neo-Con board. It's a Right Wing board.
Colluding with Russia isn't fantastic, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of colluding with Soros, Saudi Arabia and Germoney.
>he thinks Snake Plissken was a government shill
Did you even watch the fucking movies? Do you think Snake would use the words "congressional hearing" unironically?
You mean the phishing scam and the DNC insider that was murdered for it?
Muh murder everyone who proves us criminals
Those are the same polls that showed clinton up about 2-3 points on the popular vote. You know, close to the number that she won that vote by. ANALYSTS (not the polls) failed to see the way those votes were distributed.
Nice try shill.
So one move in his chess game was to commit treason to his own country.
What a great politician!!!!
Half of Clinton voters think Russia actually hacked the election, as in hacked the voter tallies.
>thinks this is about facts
THIS IS ABOUT MEMES. GET USED TO IT.
He will be missed by us.
His replacement is a Mattis lackey, with a serious chip on his shoulder about Iran.
So he will be preferred by Neo-Con's and Liberals (because war with Iran, and because Mattis doesn't like the Russians).
No, really, are these the same polls that had Hillary winning the election, that said that Trump would never be the nominee for president?
Those polls?
The only voice of reason.
Hello fellow Hillary supporter.
but the state ones weren't, hows that make sense?
>Remember kids read everything and don't trust the media's spin on shit.
this.
whenever there is a report, study, or anything else released by the press, always be sure to read from the actual source and not just let the media interpret everything for you.
journalists, bloggers, etc. can and will twist shit around.
>treason
no proofs ;)
>thinks this is about memes
THIS IS ABOUT EMOTIONS. GET USED TO IT
Was looking for the 'calm the fuck down' explanation. I just wasn't sure the Media was really going to go full russia mode again.
Colluding with the Russian administration, promising them favorable treatment for releasing damaging, illegally obtained, information about Clinton.
I honestly doubt this happen but if this was what all that contact was about, then trump is done.
it's a political hit by the neocons to make it difficult for trump to build a relationship with Russia, and to undermine Trump's credibility so the evil bastards in congress can do their masters bidding
A phishing scam is a form of hacking. And no, nobody was murdered for it. If you non-ironically believe that then you are a fucking moron.
The aussies have really stepped up their shitposting since the election.
>destroy the media with a single tweet.
how does he do this exactly
It's absolutely nothing. Continue with the pattern that the media is the opposite of reality, because so far that has yet to be wrong.
Fuck Shillary.
I just deal in truth on a board of idiocy. Its a lonely task.
It's not accomplished. It's just disinfo shilled by the DNC and their collaborators.
If you call them on it, it shifts to "influenced" and if you call them on that, it shifts to "DNC" hacks, of which there is no proof either, and in any case is no different from any foreign entity, like Britain with the BBC, running anti-Trump slurs.
It's just the DNC trying to instigate chaos and disorder to tie Trump up in drama.
If they were really concerned about Trump's moral compass or threat to the country, there are other areas they would look, but those areas would ruffle the feathers of both the GOP and DNC establishment.
If it goes down, and it looks like it will, expect no one to object until 8 years after the fact when they need to run for office again.
I almost wish Trump WERE a Putin puppet, because they are about to come into conflict over some big things.
Explain how the Russian pipeline goes through the Mediterranean?
Because state elections are much harder to predict. It isn't that hard.
Unless it's a 7D chess move it's the first instance of permanent damage to Trump. The media finally taking a scalp from him, showing that he can bleed, he can be swayed, he can be stumped. It also exposes that he doesn't have the backs of all of his anti globalist/anti deep state inner circle. And that the incessant Russian hammering can yield results if they just keep going at it forever and ever. This could be a precursor to neocons hollowing out his administration and Dick Cheneying him.
The actual conversation is fucking nothing, Trump letting fucking nothing become fucking something is what's so damaging.
If you want to prepare for the coming Deep State wars buy MAGA Mindset and Gorilla Mindset and learn to apply the principles inscribed within to the battles ahead
This guy is a fucking democrat though?
Treason against...the DNC? Suck a cock
Honestly not a whole lot. Maybe some of the left will get tired of the MSM shoving their blatant agenda and add more people to our cause. The far left cannot be saved no matter what happens. And Trump's base only gets stronger support. They're fighting a lost battle and have already dug their own (read: globalists) grave. Every option they decide to take from now on only ends BADLY for them.
Flynn will stick around in some capacity. It's a minor setback that will be recovered from very quickly if Trump ousts the true traitorous scum of the earth within his midst to hang-dry in front of the angry public.
Yeah those amazing anonymous cnn sources pretty good... guess some cnn staffer got pissed there is your anonymous source
>"hacks" that were really leaks from the DNC (a non Government organization) and Killary who illegally was sending state emails on a personal server.
This whole "hacks" BS. No one hacked the election. But they did show a light on how fucking corrupt Killary was. Now the DNC and Media act like its Russias fault they were corrupt and breaking election and campaign laws?
I swear to god, do they really think people only watch CNN? Do they think people are that fucking retarded?
Tweet a link to this:
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Or this:
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To name only two of many.
This guy was a lifelong Democrat who pretended to be far-right just to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Think abut it.
It feels like they fired him to cover something else up. If they really cared about lying then Kellyanne Conway would have been out of a job long ago.
>I almost wish Trump WERE a Putin puppet, because they are about to come into conflict over some big things.
I almost wish he was a Putin puppet because that would mean he would start "cleaning up" members of the press who are honestly our greatest threat today.
Holy shit...Do you ever sleep
>muh 2-3% margin of error
It's not even an SNL thread.
So let's get this over and done with before it starts;
>THE POLLS SHOWED THE POPULAR VOTE RESULTS!
>why would you poll the popular vote in an electoral college system?
>THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS RETARDED
>That's not the point, you sa-
>NOT MY PRESIDENT. CALIFORNIA #1 WOOOOOOO!
State polling is historically less accurate compared to national polling. They also lag in reflecting the national trend which was clearly pro-Trump leading up to election day. These are all facts.
nice annon, thanks for not being cancer.
What I wanna know, is why was Huma Abedin (who looks like a turbo dyke) married to Wiener in the first place?
I read an article that said the Clinton's insistently hooked the two up, even though Abedin wanted nothing to do with him. But why?