Why is the US Education Industry so fucked?

Are degrees really this worthless now?

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>What is supply and demand

Wtf makes them think people graduating high school don't know how to use computers? They're born in the information age.

the funny thing about the colleges is that all it would take to depoliticize them is for the government to stop subsidizing students.

thats it.
simple as that.
White Christmases, prosperity and happiness for all.

demand would plummet.
prices would go down.
frivolous degree seeking women and minorities would vanish overnight (over 4 years). Jobs will soon be less stringent on whom they hire because fewer people will have McDegrees, Those satanic HR people would have less work and have to get real jobs (most are those self same frivolous degree seeking women who would probably end up actually becoming homemakers, two birds one stone)
this would free up resources for companies, and would allow people to relax at work, lowering stress related illnesses (cancer for instance), and if you screw up your entire life isnt ruined and you arent blacklisted from working ever again (fewer on welfare).


The government has been inflating the bubble (quite literally poisoning the well of truth and light, not through malevolence, but in the same manner that a plankton will poison water if there is a population surge), if they stop it will deflate and normalcy will restore itself in line with the natural order (instead of the new world order)

Did you ever notice how the beginning of the spiral into madness began in the 60s? Guess what decade the government starting politicizing the colleges.

Its funny isnt it?

Why don't they just teach skills in highschool instead of liberal propaganda? Problem solved.

Because they themselves are clueless about how uncomplex computers are.

>what's degree inflation
soon you will need a associates degree to flip burgers at McDicks.

>Going to school for comp sci
>looking over class requirements for first 2 years
>only 4 actual computer sci related classes

it's highschool 2.0
only now you have to pay for it.

> college degree needed to use a computer

WRONG

Nah just the retarded STEM fields

Every idiot on Sup Forums thinks graduating with a 2.8 GPA in engineering will make them rich/smart, when in fact they end up working at a car dealership haha.

Also computer science isn't a science.

t. smug political science MA grad who makes more than 90% of this board (and has more power)

Eat dicks.

what position

this headline just shows how deluded employers are

what's "using computer" to you?

most high schools teach zero practical skills. thats a huge problem. high school shouldn't be a university prep course if you don't want it to be

Meh, when it comes to CnC machines you gotta actally be fluent in G-code. Its not like you're running windows on them.

Also, that looks like a shop for total faggots. Just by that quote alone you can tell the oqner is a tottering old baby boomer that he himself wouldnt qualify t9 be a worker there.

3/10 would not work for.

>got a degree in 2015
>havent had a job since

lol prob gonna kill myself soon, simply due to starvation. rather be dead than hungry all the time.

what degree though? and from a reputable school?

Jews wrecked our education by taking the humanities and making them worthless indoctrination degrees instead of critical thinking degrees useful to virtually all work in society. Education is fundamentally useless and we know this because you have to take out a loan for it and they justify extreme interest on it on the basis that the loan has no collateral and cannot be removed by bankruptcy. If you go to university for a non-technical field, you're just paying to be indoctrinated by progressives.

As for blue-collar labor, technical education and apprenticeships address virtually all of the concerns people have for education.

In technical fields, we're losing jobs left and right due to outsourcing and H1B visas flooding our technical professions with cheap and mostly underskilled workers. The only way to make money in America today is to already be rich.

I have a genders studies degree. Now I'm the CEO of my dad's Goldstein Co.

We are in charge of promoting egalitarian TV, and banning problematic programs

>he fell for the college meme

How many times did you switch your major you fucking retard?

I know, right?! I'm an English grad and am now a multi-millionaire in my 20's lol. I also have a 12 inch dick and eat whatever I want while maintaining 6 pack abs with ease, with a beautiful pure aryan wife that absolutely never cheats on me and is completely submissive to whatever I want.

I mean right? Lol Sup Forums are a bunch of losers kek xD

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No. They're compulsory in fat land, pol is just a load of college/HS dropouts.

once

state school

Start panhandling. If Fentanyl addicts can earn 100 dollars a day tax free so can you.

>muh pride
Would you rather be worm food? Look back through history how low some of the greatest people have fallen and come back up.

I know quite some people earning more than 120k a year in just writing SQL or working as consultant for some server farm.
Some of them even don't have a degree.

Enjoy working with a bunch of smelly Indians

Computer science is worse than liberal arts

I wonder why

againstcronycapitalism.org/2017/02/greek-teachers-in-epic-battle-to-save-classics/

Look at Greece

>plans by the left-wing government to scrap the mandatory study of Ancient Greek tragedy in high schools and introduce instead classes on gender and sex education, saying that this could bring about the end of classical studies.

>The government says it is trying to update the antiquated curriculum and devote more time to teaching modern Greek and new subjects, including gender equality, same-sex marriages and sex education.

>you gotta be fluent in g-code

no, not with a shopmill surface. with the most recent ones you can even realize r-parameters so knowing the actual code is no longer needed (not if it`s a non conventional lathe or mill though).

>i have to spend nearly a decade doing meaningless bullshit to get a job with a salary of 100k+
ok chaim

Wait, you have no apprenticeships in America? How the fuck do you teach people how to work?

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You'd be surprised.
Anything beyond facebook and twater and most people are incompetent. Seems most of 'em can't even use Excel.

if you get a degree on Feminism Dance Interpretation with an MBA on Male Body Odor Abuse and Emotions That Cant Be Put Into Words then you deserve to never have a real job

get a fucking 1 year diploma on how to fix machines and operate then. even as mechanical engineer

No, people
>born in the information age.
do not know how to use computer.

They just know how to use dozen applications, which where designed especially to be easy to use.

we go to college, only trainign programs that exist today are for Trades like Carpentry or Plumbing or Electrician, where you are required by law to be an apprentice.

Better idea to get rid of college: allow works to go back to administering aptitude (IQ) tests as part of their screening process.

Yes, they were legally permitted to do this and did this all the time prior to "Civil Rights" and the fact blacks flunk aptitude tests like they flunk all other tests (proving the tests are actually pretty accurate) was used to get them dismissed due to "disparate impact."

A college degree is basically an indicator to an employer that you have an IQ north of 100. Nothing more, nothing less (although it means less every day). This is the genius of it for colleges. Everybody who wants an office job needs to prove he or she isn't a moron. They're not allowed to give IQ tests so you need to get in and out of an institution that will vouch for you. The institution gets $60k+ for signing off on you. This is why they hate "online" schools which charge way less for the same degree and "devalue" it as if letting negroes in get shuffled through doesn't devalue a degree.

The short story is that the only reason you have to go to college to do the majority of all jobs in the US is that it's how employers are legally allowed to discriminate in any form to get better employees.

>tfw working in office(corporation) with high school diploma
>enaugh money to live without fucking roomates
>fuck bitches in spare time

life is good here honestly

On the job training, which half the time is shit. And college, which is also shit and puts you in debt forever.

Thats terrible.

Didnt it raise a red flag when your fucking teachs in highschool were saying

>"Dont worry if you dont know what uou want to major in, whats important is you just go"

>"if you dont go to college right after high school you will probably never go"

And so on, hell i decided i'd go get a job and just work until i was finished partying then go to college. Turns out most fuckers are lazy and its really easy to get promoted in the oilfield, no college required.

I will eventually go to college tho once i decide on what to major in. Toss up between dentistry or being a forest ranger.

And what makes you think Interpersonal Communications and Womens Studies is going to help them learn Excel?

This, instead of shoving AP World History crap down kids' throats, they should teach real skills.

Damn, now the plebs will be able to program...thats not good

The sad reality of "on-the-job-training" is that it's typically conducted by people who shouldn't train anyone at anything.

Additionally, I've been through over 100 "trainings" in corporate environments. These trainings are purely for the "trainer" to put on her resume as an achievement. "I delivered a training on the 2015 FDA updates to blah blah blah."

well working in an oilfield sounds horrible to me, so different strokes i guess lol

us only had 2 thousand liberal art graduates last year compared to 80 thousand engineering grads

strangely enough lib art students makes more money on average than engi students

I was amazed when i saw a co-worker type "google" into the firefox search bar and then type "facebook" into google search. Supposedly this was how they accessed Facebook every single time.

>The sad reality of "on-the-job-training" is that it's typically conducted by people who shouldn't train anyone at anything.

This is more true about teachers than actual private sector workers. Most teachers went into it straight out of College, and probably are indoctrinated dipshits who don't know what a real skill or job is.

>post article about requiring degree
>ask if degree is useless
wat

only if you are an idiot.
College can be cheap if you're smart enough for scholarships. In last semester of a business Computer Information Sciences degree with no loans. I had enough scholarships to be getting money back.

Bringing home less than $1500 a week sounds horrible to me, so ill stick around until something better comes along.

I said worthless, as in if you need one to do get this simple of a job, the value of one is low.

>American Education

Education used to be based on liberal arts or the humanities prior to University where students developed an appreciation for the culture and society they live in as well as its history and critical thinking/reasoning skills. This used to make great men.

I suppose it still praises the culture and society we live in although that is primarily AIDs and diversity and the history they teach is a guilt-driven nonsense.

No the New York Times wants people to go to colleges with her liberal brainwashing factories

Nope, highschool education is. That's why you need at least a two year degree for any decent entry level job.

If public schools weren't so shit people would be more employable without degrees

The funny (or sad) thing about all this is that those computers are running proprietary software you would never learn how to use in college anyway.

A HS grad could pick it up easily, along with of basic IT tasks like helpdesk.

Instead they'd rather hire dotheads with less education than HS to read form a fucking script and infuriate you with their accent until you hang up in frustration.

I am studying english lit (i know, i know) should i just leave now? I have no prospects at the end of it and I've had to read Marx on 5 different secondary courses. No bully pls.

I like the implication here. Go take 4 years of college and 60k of debt to push buttons on a computer! Fuck these morons. They need to go

Edfag here.

Education have been completely hijacked by well meaning retards, either trying shitty social experiments, or piling on general social welfare as a central mission to education.

Case in point. Look at how little Common Core standards relate to entry level job requirements.


>Are degrees really this worthless now?
Pretty much. It's an inevitable outcome of "no child left behind" and "4 year college is for everyone".

what level of Education are you in? What do you teach?

This.
A) never subsidize student. State can subsidize subject in some rare cases.
So no retarded-polyfaggot-muslimkins has any benefit.
B) move most student load risk to banks:
- load payments limited by percentage of studen't income
- repayment period is limited. After which all debts are written off without any consequences for student (and most importantly, without any state buyouts)
So banks wont's treat education loads as safe, long-term deposits (where they are motivated to give as many as they can, enabling and financing junk "studies"), but rather as investments

Public HS edu in the US is one of the highest in the world. Alongside europe, australia and the five tigers its the only school education that teaches calculus at senior high.

No something we have at my college. Every degree is in some way related to business.
The one psychology class in the core classes is actually useful. Things like skinner boxes and the triune brain.

Topkek im making $150 a week

dont listen to Sup Forums lol. a degree shows youre at least not retarded and can get a job done and know how to follow directions and in your case, write and shit.

better than going into an interview without one.

are you comparing american education to australian education?

Then why aren't people employable without degrees

>Every degree is in some way related to business.
How does that make you any more competent in using a proprietary GUI on a computerized assembly line?

I majored in History and I got a job in finance before making my own business.

School is only a "bonus". Nobody should expect a job or becoming a "white collar" when you get out from school. That's pleb mentality.
Historically, universities were meant for people to achieve academically, do research and that's it. Only lawyers and medical doctors go to university for jobs.

Anyway all of this is a meme. Worked in finance, pay was good, but you were still a wagecuck after getting fucked for years by taxes.

>having to pay 10s of 1000s of dollars to be able to prove you have basic competency.

You must not interview well

it may be better compared to Malaysia, but you can't get more than a service job like Fast Food or Hotel Service in the US with only a High School degree

>scholarships
>for white males

Pick one. Even with these you still end up paying thousands of dollars for an education, more than you could make in a year. Good luck getting a full ride as a white male even if you were valedictorian of a normal high school. Unless you're a sportsball master, but chances are they already signed tyrone for that.

Teachers are useless. Doesn't stop on-the-job training from being useless. I've conducted a lot of it myself and tended to be better at it than most. In my experience, OTJ training is typically saying, "Smith has a lighter workload this week. He'll show you the ropes." The problem is that most people have no consciousness of the Dunning-Kreuger effect and just how little information is going to stick in the mind of a new employee.

They say something and might even repeat themselves and to them the employee now knows it and will remember it forever, because Smith has that info locked down in his brain and he forgets how much repetition it took to make it common knowledge, especially with the slew of other new information he was flooded with when he started the job.

Corporate development trainings are something else entirely and typically consist of you watching somebody narrate what he's doing on a screen intercut with a mind-numbingly boring power-point presentation and are just resume-padders and help the QA department sell that your team is cutting edge.

CIS gives you a better understanding of computer machines. Granted, the degrees are meant more for middle management positions.

No, it would be preferable he stop wasting his money or pursue a degree that actually has value. He definitely shouldn't stick it out getting that shit degree. He should go into accounting, finance, medical, or engineering, otherwise he's just wasting fucking money. That degree won't earn him shit

This is what is wrong with making degrees available to everyone through student loans. It makes them worthless and puts everyone in to slave debt to the banks.

That's why you go to a college that isn't cucked.

Factory work in the US are mostly automated. If you don't have a degree try looking at more physically demanding jobs like construction or farming, the ones you always see mexicans do.

I had some basic calculus (basic differentiation, "lookup function in table"-tier integration, find area between graphs kind of staff) in school.

you must be going in for shit jobs lol

wat? what if he wants to have a job where hes writing shit? could be an editor, journalist, writer, teacher, all kinds of shit

Wrong, I'm white and I got through with the WV High Education grant, Promise Scholarship, a smaller $400 grant, and chose an in state college and drive instead of dorming.

>Wait, you have no apprenticeships in America? How the fuck do you teach people how to work?

we have apprenticeships but they are all not consistently available or even really supported by the education system
all students are encouraged to go to college and get a 4-year degree, and while in college they get internships for work experience
years ago I inquired about starting an apprenticeship to be a substation electrician for a major power company, as it turns out they only accept apprenticeships from current employees
also official government policy heavily discourages apprenticeship education in favor of college, the "GI Bill" we have will pay veterans a monthly stipend for 36 months and full tuition and other expenses, but for people that want to learn a trade they will cut their stipend by 20% every six months so a lot of vets go get bullshit degrees

We we're born in the information age, they were born into the social media access device age.

I'm not sure if you're pretending to be retarded, but they mean IT skills. For a factory it's machinery managed through a PC that requires specialised training to use and likely comp eng guys to maintain.

>I'm a special snowflake and the options available to me are available to everyone

Yeah. Nah.

I know it's in the curriculum, but does that work in practice if half the class is niggers who haven't mastered basic arithmetic?

asshole who worked one of these jobs, here is the computer part.
>Is this a XxX example.
yes
>Cut.
yes
>seal safe lock
>cut
>Release safe lock.
its really not hard, the best example is fucking 8 Mile if you remember it.
>Up.
>Down.
thats it.
>Drilling 8inch hole.
>Drilling 6 inch hole.
Its not more difficult then charging your car battery.
>Fast charge, slow charge, 12amp etc

>not retarded
Can be determined in 15 minutes of interview, often better than by "has a degree".
Saw people who had degrees (and not from obvious mills), where outright retarded and as competent as random bum from a street.

or you know, move to rural areas (rust belt or fly over states) theres plenty of jobs that'll take anyone, even highscool dropouts.

Most machines have their own conversational programming interfaces now. They can still run g-codes but they have hand-holding baby step wizard interfaces that can do most major operations.

how do you get involved in the oil business anyway?

I'm seeing teenagers that carry their smartphones everywhere but they don't know how to touch type
they look down at the keyboard while typing and use two fingers at a time
God help us once voice commands really improve, there will be an entire generation of people that talk to computers instead of type

>tfw no GED

I've come to terms that I'm a lifer as I'm too old to pursue anything.

- kids are entitled assholes with little discipline
- companies like complaining so they can get more H1B slaves

>tfw old highschool friend is in expensive college for nuclear engineering
>tfw working part time, watching anime and playing vidya with my time
>tfw he's a year younger than me

Where did it all go wrong

Basic calculus are taught here too. US HS calculus are more like college tier. They learn basic caluclus during middle school

Just takes some effort to find
+instate is always cheaper
+often, you may find a smaller, uncucked college near by
+scholarships are easy enough if you have near a 4.0 GPA

Godamn, reading this thread gave me a headache.
It's shocking how America managed to take the simple school-tryout-work routine and over complicate the shit out of it to the point where you can't get any job anywhere unless you've got a million bucks in debt.
No wonder you people are discovering new social disorders every few years, this is insane as fuck.

GEDs are easy. They really are. If you're not an illiterate moron and you know basic algebra, a GED awaits you.

I went to an instate college. Not a single one was uncucked. I had a 3.8 and still got nothing. Maybe in WV they're still allowed to let white males have nice things, but I know in PA they aren't.

Depends. In the USAF if you pursue technical education pertinent to your field, you get paid higher pay than 1st and 2nd lieutenant officer pay to go do it.