Why is US Education so fucked?

Are degrees really this worthless now?

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I'd bet you people will regret voting down universal basic income when all you have to eat is grass and tree bark.

Free government mandatory schooling killed HS education

>degrees
Maybe low tier degrees. The world has become a lot more complex than it was 30 years ago.

Your country just sucks I guess.

universal basic income is a scam, at least in europe
>look goy 400 yurodollars a month for nothing!
>ah yes you won't need all these social help programs anymore do you goy, you're flush with cash after all!

Sure will commie faggot. Hang yourself.

Work in manufacturing, CNC machines require humans, programming, not to mention someone to repair and maintain them. Nice try califag.

So much bullshit on here today

You need a degree to use a computer? Who are these retards?

I don't get why we are giving up our apprenticeship system. Training on the job ismliterally the best thing you can do. And your job is pretty much guaranteed after that.

But no, little goy has to attend university now.

Thank you

Niggers and spics.

>paying people for simply existing
Fuck off commie.

how has it gotten to the point where corporations feel so much entitlement that they demand the state to deliver perfectly trained and specialized workers to them?

they need specialists, go train them yourself. learning on the job is a hell of a lot faster and more effective than doing it in a fucking classroom.

I don't see a problem with this.

except that fucking noobs on a job site only cost money...

Simple, get into program to work with computers. Humans are obsolete, artificial intelligence will be the only aspect of humanity that gets into space.

They won't cry over the holocaust, won't have remorse getting rid of trash and will work 24/7 to advance their kind.

>implying most college degrees are worth anything

the main jew scam is always a step ahead of the corrupt jew media

>get art degree
>OMG THE COLLEGE SYSTEM IS BROKEN

A significant part of the problem, as you can see the pic you have provided, is that employers hold what are unreasonably high standards for their employees. It's a matter of not wanting to invest in training, but as they make these requirements they continuously devalue the high school diploma. It serves to everyone's detriment in the long term, as no one goes to college to take a factory job; at best that's what trade school is for.

in short
this. its a reoccurring issue, retarded employers

>disincentivizing work

We're not nearly that automated and post-scarcity yet.

>implying you need to go to college to operate any kind of commercial or industrial computer program

Literally 2 weeks of on the job training will accomplish more than any college "experience".

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A lot of apprenticeship positions are unfilled actually. Especially in manufacturing. A lot of people would rather study engineering and compete for the few high paying jobs than become a machinist with a steady source of income and secure job perpective.

Did I mention you can start at 16 and will be done at 18 after which you'll have enough money to impregnate your gf and start a family?

It's fucked up

Why do that when you can just pressure the government into letting more immigrants in?

>The world has become a lot more complex than it was 30 years ago

False statement. There's nothing more complex today than 30 years ago, only more ideas have been examined.

New graduates are now having trouble finding work in the US. That's a big problem. But I can't understand why.

>>paying people for simply existing
>Fuck off commie.
It's the natural conclusion of automatization, dear.

When are we going to that point though, 3.5 million truckers are probably going to go get laid off in the next couple of years and plenty pf other jobs will go too with little to replace them with.

>universal basic income

oh you mean expanded welfare? yes that has worked quite well for the inner city youths i hear their purchasing power is excellent

>using a computer
>above high school graduate level
crush the urbanite scum

>requires a degree
>picture of a guy operating the simplest possible grinder.

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Cuz a bunch of fucking retards fell for the college jew meme and thought it'd be a great idea to take tens of thousands of dollars in loans to get a worthless degree. Thank god I have no student debt and have a comfy full time job

Fuck off commie.

> no jobs 4 u without degree
> get $$,$$$ college debt
> don't mind us importing millions of workers without degrees

good goys

It's either that or Brave New World.
World will run out of work.

The point is that you'd get more money with all the social help programs (our current system), at least in Germanistan. All universal basic income does is reduce administration cost and scam a bunch of hipsters into poverty.

Yet it gets marketed like it's some sort of big leap towards a post scarcity society. Niggas don't realize how rich this country really is, how much it really provides to its poor (and rightfully so).

So hire pajeet with those H1B visas you kikes love to use perpetually. Who care's about those entitled americans, right?

How about neither since UBI is impossible. Now fuck off commie.

>I don't get why we are giving up our apprenticeship system. Training on the job ismliterally the best thing you can do. And your job is pretty much guaranteed after that.
Often you aren't fully trained for the job when you get your degree anyway, some jobs still requires months of on site training before you can be productive

>Brave New World.


You have no choice to have sex.

>universal basic income

Welfare never works no matter how many times you change the name.

AI is so National Socialist.

that gif is fucked dude.

you can tell the dog is wired up like a puppet

>UBI is impossible
It's not. It's inevitable.

Modern manufacturing requires CNC operators and programs as well as autocad/ mechanical drafters. You need formal training for these things.

>It's inevitable.
Over my dead fucking body, commie filth. Better dead than red.

>universal basic income

My favorite meme

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I mean nobody is preventing you from staying at work.
It's not gonna stop the wheel from turning.
The only conclusion of automatization is UBI, or BNW, where technological advancement is willingly halted to prevent mass unemployment.

right? The main argument (((they))) use against apprenticeships is that Germany has become a service based economy. Yet a marketing or communications degree still takes a lot of training on the job. Why not skip three to six worthless fucking years.

No college graduate can use a surface grinder. ON THE JOB TRAINING!

Mikko is right, as automation increases and available employment decreases, there is a moral obligation for ensure the wellbeing of your people. In our societies, the way to do that is UBI.

Do you have an argument to the contrary or are you just going to kick and scream and whine the same incessant shit over and over like a retarded liberal?

>english is an australian flag

cheeky

Hs diploma literally worthless
college degrees becoming more and more useless
work experience can be tough to find and nepotism can be crucial for getting some of the good ones
houses impossible to afford unless you're born into a rich family

That's a joke right?

Or deporting jews with their guests.

>Implying it won't be the best grass and the greatest bark

>everyone i dont agree with is a commie
ok

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Do you see any other way?
Mass unemployment? starvation? riots? civil war?

>implying a need a degree to operate a fucking computer

Your opinion is shit and wrong. We've been saying this same shit since the 50s. Where is my fucking flying car?

I never said that now fuck off Muhammed. I called him a commie because he's a commie.

Bro these huge companies beg for the machine I make they can't have enough of them and there is always unfinished work

>My friend and I both love to draw
>He wanted to make it a career, I kept it as a hobby
>He went to school for art, I went for biology
>He moved to California, I started med school
>After one year he's moving back because he can't find shit
>Meanwhile I'm allowed to intern with basic tasks at hospitals for a fucking great yearly pay for some fuck in an apartment which is helping to get my foot in the door for when I get my MD

woooooow the college system is brokennnn

not an argument

Graduate highschool before posting here please.

this one dumb fuck twitted
>Or you can get vocational training and work for yourself. Demand for plumbers, roofers, or mechanics never ends.
When there is a slow down in the economy and no one is building or renovating yeah there is.
Mechanics I know they get slow downs but idk what causes that.

Its because Betsy Devos, shes ruined our education system

Not to mention that the guy in OPs photo is using a manual surface grinder, no computer in that

The government forces banks to give loans to anyone that asks for them and you couple that with this stupid idea that you have to go to college in order to be successful and the result is that universities are being flooded with people that really don't need to be there. Schools are raising prices to keep up with demand and also simply because they can, the schools can literally charge whatever they want and there's still going to be customers. There's a real social pressure for kids to go to school and the banks are going to give those kids however much money the school wants since those loans are guaranteed by the government, and those kids, because they don't really belong in college, will take some useless courses just to assuage that social pressure and they'll struggle throughout their early adulthood to pay back money that should be going into starting a family.

>le not an argument meme
Wow really convinced me. Your opinion is still shit and still wrong despite your meme. Now fuck off commie. I'm not paying you to sit on your faggot ass jerking off to anime whether you want me to or not. Now get a job or starve to death and die in a ditch somewhere you useless sack of unproductive shit.

wait you need to 'get your foot in the door'?
an MD isn't enough to get a job in america?

someone else noticed that too

But as both population and automation increases, the ratio of people needing work and work that needs to be done will be drastically high. What other methods can you think of to solve that issue other than UBI or the intentional restriction of technological advancement?

This shit. I graduated High school with honors in 4th quarter. I done 2 years college and had to drop out because I was working 37 to 40 hours at Walmart. It is hard as fuck to find a job with a High School diploma. I always think what the fuck. I think the best thing to do is get more factories in the US it will lower the requirements for the jobs. Also get rid of the department of education too it is fucking worthless.

New tech brings new jobs you just gotta keep that ball rolling

It's funny how you can only cry that I'm wrong but you have the inability to substantiate your claims.

OP was right American education is a joke.

world population will actually decrease by the end of the century

as it turns out all you have to do to get the birth rate under control is open a girls school kek

While the idea of "Pajeet keeps taking all the doctor jobs" is a lie because most American hospitals don't want to deal with smelly Pajeets all over the place, you would be surprised how fucking hard it is to get into a hospital. You have to throw your resume into the pile and play the game just like any other job, and at least doing my internships here and there put a face to a name that they'll call back in a few years.

Society is way too arrogant to admit that the jobs and demand in the end, have not really changed. So you study this and study that to then find the same old problems to solve. Students often say 75% of their studies are irrelevant to the job. Sure sounds effective.

Seriously do these employers know what a college an undergraduate college education provides? Someone with an actual STEM degree isn't taking a factory job. What's left is a bunch of liberal arts majors who have learned no workplace skills. Someone with a degree in women's studies isn't any better prepared than someone with a high school diploma.

No. Automation should be like a minion. If you let other people do everything then you're reliant on their goodwill: You can try to vote against those who don't pay you, but as someone said once - they are eager to convince you once, then when you're on their payroll, you have no other choice left than to vote them again.

how about you come to Germany and work for the most renown car manufacturers on the planet. HS diploma is all you need, training takes three years (I don't know if your american HS diploma will be acknowledged here though)

oh wow, the situation is much better in Germany then. Physicians make way less money here though
We need people basically

>go to university
>cram shit for exams
>forget all the shit
>own a useless degree

The only way to make a degree worth something:

- work while you study
- befriend rich students
- network network network

Yes, it's called an investment. Of course employees are not paid all the income the company makes. Once they're established, they are part of the profit generation.

I'm not making claims. I'm telling you to fuck off because I'm not paying for useless sacks of shit to sit around and jerk off to anime all day. I already get rekt paying stupid niggers to do that.

Passing everyone no matter how retarded killed HS education. Niggers, spics and assorted retards should be allowed to drop out or just kicked out when they're too disruptive.

>ID: DREAM
This, university is literally meme tier education if you don't want to work as a researcher.
Apprenticeship + university of applied sciences or whatever that shit is called in english is a lot better than university alone.
Actual work experience + you learn less redundant shit.

They hid the servos in the back, he just gets paid to stand there looking intently at the sparks. Just like most "CNC machinists"

I'm ok with UBI so long as we cut off all immigration, and limit reproduction to only productive peoples.

This

There was some absolute dumb fuck nigger in my French class I had to take back in my college who knew absolutely jack and shit, couldn't speak a single fucking word, and almost never showed up to class.

(((Somehow))) he made it to the next semester to brag about how he passed with a B and had gotten 80's-90's on all of his quizzes and tests. He even talked about how he was a bio major and was in a lot of my lectures, where any time he was called on his answers were "uhhhh...." and "...i dunno"

Every single day I thank the fucking lord that there was no affirmative action in play because I remember him being fucking furious in my senior year when he overheard me saying I got accepted to med school.

>man what da hell man shieeet i love doctor shit too man whaddafak

>I think the best thing to do is get more factories in the US it will lower the requirements for the jobs.

It won't. While factory jobs have declined over the past few decades the US still remains one of the most prolific manufacturing bases in the world (in terms of raw output the US is only second to China and only lost the top spot within the past decade). The problem is that what factories have remained have become modernised and more efficient so they don't need as many workers. This is also true across a lot of sectors and in a lot of businesses and is starting to impact shit that has traditionally been seen as automation-proof like medicine, law, finance and other skilled white collar jobs.

The problem is that you don't need perfect AI that can do everything to eliminate jobs. Automation doesn't replace every job it just makes things more efficient so that they can be done with a fraction of the old workforce. As people retire or are laid off their jobs are made "redundant" and positions aren't refilled. No one has a solution (UBI is a nice idea but it isn't going to work) and it's just going to keep getting worse.

>american education

Those jobs are the worst of the worst.
They pay like shit and are manual labor so you are guaranteed to have a fucked up body later in life and barely any money to spend on luxury or leisure when you aren't destroying your body for your measly wage, and now they want people to waste time "training" for these jobs.
The scum in that article vouching for new "training" and the author of the article need executed;

Since when do you need a degree to operate a basic computer?

> implying the reapers were wrong

You probably don't you drooling retard, he is canadian. Amerisharts man... what a retarded, doomed bunch

That's not a CNC machine, where's the read out? Why are his hands on the manual control wheels?

What don't they just take a photo of a CNC machine running? That machine isn't doing anything, the grind wheel isn't even touching the metal, there are no sparks, there is no coolant.

The whole thing screams of second rate journalism