Ultimately he seems genuine and cares about truth, although he's still pretty butthurt about how he was clearly wrong about the election. He and others like him who want limited government are the future of American politics in my opinion, though. Thoughts?
he's clearly a top-tier debater, but his anti-trump stance is just boring desu
Jonathan Wood
He sided with a woman who was verifiable lying in the hopes it would damage Trump
He should be hanging from lamp posts with the rest of them
Luke Reed
>Ultimately he seems genuine and cares about truth Nope. The campaign manager scandal revealed he's as corrupt as the rest of them, and has the integrity of a Vancouver hockey fan.
Dominic Robinson
He's a NeoCon who doesn't like Trump, so no he can't be /ourguy/.
Jordan Clark
who?
Lucas Carter
He's a fucking kike.
Ian Thompson
controlled opposition
Samuel Morgan
Ben is right more than he is wrong.
Aiden Taylor
Treat him like all the other entertainers out there. Fun to listen when debating lefties but don't put his views on a pedestal
Landon Sanchez
Michelle Fields
Sebastian Gonzalez
Who owns Ben? This should be good.
Chase Baker
For the last time, Jews CANNOT be /ourguy/.
Landon Jackson
Shapiro is fantastic, even after the "scandal" which led to him leaving Breitbart.
Hate him all you want for not liking Trump during the campaign, but conservative dissenters serve a great political purpose. And watching him BTFO libs is delicious.
>tfwnoshapirobf
Levi Reed
>Thinking all Jews are the same Idiot.
Carson Parker
I absolutely agree that he got the whole Michelle Fields incident wrong and bought into the media narrative. It seems his moral inhibitions got in the way of his better judgment, he showed this throughout the campaign, but most of what he said on a principle level was spot on.
not an argument
Grayson James
Watch Ben Shapiro Thug Life videos on YouTube.
Christopher Gomez
>Thinking they're not Your nose is showing
Chase Sanchez
How does it feel knowing the majority of the free world thinks your views are shit?
Nathaniel Morris
Nice meme, he is definitely a zionist which definitely pisses me off but you can't compare him to these other marxist jew shills floating around.
Lincoln Hall
Rat Shapiro didn't buy into the media narrative, he helped create it. He was an integral part of the lie.
Christian Cox
>Who owns Ben?
Ian Miller
>Rat Shapiro didn't buy into the media narrative, he helped create it. He was an integral part of the lie. He hasn't even had any mainstream media influence recently though, his appearances are limited after he destroyed Piers Morgan a few years back. Again though he was completely wrong about that, it doesn't discredit the principles he puts forth as a whole. What do you disagree with him on, on a policy level?
Gavin Thomas
Why did Shilling Shapiro feel the need to bring up a Trump comment innocently regarding his daughter? A comment that I might add has been consistently used by the Left and nevertrumpers to claim Trump is pedo?
Andrew Foster
Yeah honestly I think he likes where Trump can go, but for reasons to keep unbiased he takes a more nurtural stance so he can still speak to lefties. Benny still gets riots tho so I approve, and even on (in b4 leddit fag) r/Imgoingtohellforthis people where showing wide approval. Though desu idk how any of those are T_D operatives
Daniel Peterson
Ben knew it was bullshit, but he was looking for a way to leave Breitbart and had been for awhile. He just jumped on the first opportunity he had to justify it
Dominic Gonzalez
Because he found the idea of seeing one's daughter as attractive sexually disgusting on a personal level. He doesn't like Trump as a person but has agreed with 75% of his policies so far, which seems incredibly reasonable coming from a religious person.
Noah Taylor
>been consistently used by the Left and nevertrumpers to claim Trump is pedo
Didn't he make that comment well after she was 18?
Luis Baker
Ben might not be /ourguy/, but it doesn't mean he is against us either.
He has discussed being bombarded with le happy merchant cartoon en masse before (at a speech he gave, he was answering a question re. Milo) and has spent some time speaking on the significance of anti semitism.
HOWEVER, I think you will be hard-pressed to find someone as well educated and versed in the art of debate and political discussion as Ben.
Sticks to his principles, I'll give him that much. He could have easily hopped on the Trump bandwagon but chose not to, even left Breitbart as it gradually became Trump's personal media outlet.
Brody Torres
When you claim to support a bunch of policies, but oppose the one guy pushing them while backing the enemies of those policies, you are not actually in favour of those policies.
Shapiro is a typical subversive kike. He has no morals whatsoever, only an agenda that is hostile to you and yours.
Jackson Gray
>He has discussed being bombarded with le happy merchant cartoon en masse before When he did this I couldn't stop fucking laughing: youtube.com/watch?v=xdiX3Nq6ECM
The rest of your post is spot on though he is right on 90% of the issues, which is more than you can expect from almost anyone.
Nathaniel Perez
Because he is a Jew and they are generally degenerates with a bizarre fixation on incest.
Shapiro's game is the same as people like Mark Levin, to try and steer conservative/right-wing sentiment into a safe place for Jews. He is a Zionist first and an American second.
Ryan Morales
but, jews love pedos...
Matthew Myers
God this video is so funny. >the jew memes with the Yotsuba B background
I have a question for you though: You say that > he is right on 90% of the issues
What issues is he wrong on? Just curious.
Benjamin Kelly
If he wasn't Jewish then he wouldn't be a Jew who places his tribe above the US. No shit.
Xavier Ross
I missed the sexual attraction allegation. Source '
Elijah Parker
When he runs for President, I hope that I am an American citizen so I can vote for him.
Carter Gray
to be pro-Israel is as anti-SJW as it gets.
I support Israel 100%, why? Because I have never seen SJWs get so butt-hurt over anything else.
Andrew Williams
He's pretty based.
Talks shit on other kikes all the time.
If he wasn't jewish he would be Sup Forums's guy.
Jackson Rogers
I love Ben Shapiro. He's the best the right has to offer, along with Stefan Molyneux, Paul James Watson, and Mike Cernovich. Cucks BTFO!
Mason Richardson
>When you claim to support a bunch of policies, but oppose the one guy pushing them This seems to be how most Americans feel though if you give any credibility to the recent polls, which are reasonable to be skeptical of. It's the only information we have though. It really is the opposite of how Obama was, where most Americans liked him as a person but hated his policies.
>He is a Zionist first and an American second. Trump just came out today in his support for a one state solution in Isreal, you don't have to agree with every position a person has to think they are overall correct on most issues.
>What issues is he wrong on? Just curious. I guess wrong is pretty subjective, but I really disagree with his pro-Israel stance, as well as his stance on foreign policy which seem really hawkish and the same ideas that have created a vacuum in the middle east and led to ISIS. He is way more eloquent and informed than I am though so I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's not nearly as hawkish as Clinton would have been, so maybe that's an exaggeration, but he is much closer to that than an isolationist.
Justin Davis
>mfw a leaf beat me to it
Thomas Russell
Thanks for the sources. I have to get more read on Shaprio's foreign policy views.
Do you and I agree on everything else though that he has said (gun control, abortion, minimum wage, etc.)?
Jaxon Sanchez
He claimed waterboarding (simulated drowning to make someone say whatever you want) isn't torture using convoluted verbal trickery. He's as kike as they come. He just has a weak opposition.
Gabriel Wilson
This fucker gets it, I remember back in 2014 when there were happenings in Israel, I was out with some of my mates at an event and we got talking to these girls and eventually later on in the night this one girl brings up Israel/Palestine (taking the side of the muzzies ofc) and I just simply pointed out that the Israelis aren't the bad guys and the look she gave me will stay I'm my head forever, it was priceless
Jaxson Martinez
He's just utilizing what he learned in law school; my brother is a Christian and uses the same verbal games.
Mason Ortiz
>(gun control, abortion, minimum wage, etc.)? Shall not be infringed, killing a human is murder, it is immoral to tell the government how much to pay someone and the free market is better at regulating this, so absolutely. He's really intelligent and almost always presents the facts behind his arguments so it's really hard to not agree.
Aaron Moore
>I was only pretending to be retarded.
Bullshit
Jacob Barnes
He isnt anti Trump anymore. He doesnt sniff Trumps farts and does call him out on some stuff, but I have been watching him consistently and he gives off like a vibe of 80% support for Trump.
Leo Hernandez
he was raised as a neo-con
Alexander Howard
>the Israelis aren't the bad guys Israel has attacked the West far more than Palestine ever could, all while supposedly being our greatest ally.
Landon Taylor
Yeah exactly. To support Israel is to oppose yet support what SJWs stand for at the same time; it sends them into some weird paradox chamber that they can't get out of.
Gavin Lee
Just a typical zionist. The anti-sjw shit is just to trick a wider range of people into going along with his agenda.
Owen Parker
Glad we had this discussion. Thanks.
Brody Gray
Calculated. Trump won, so he can't openly oppose him. His base would desert him. He will cautiously support Trump until he sees an opportunity for betrayal.
If Trump had lost he'd be celebrating Clinton's victory as a necessary evil and then encouraging you to vote for a cuckservative next time.
Samuel Long
These are not arguments. You are playing identity politics just like the left and using labels to dismiss positions instead of attacking the ideas themselves. Cheers lad
Nathaniel Perez
I can only think of the USS liberty incident and a bit of spying here and there....
Trust the leaf to side with Muslims though, the brainwashing must be strong in Canada
Nolan Morales
I would like him more if he and Milo STOPPED YAPPING ABOUT FUCKING ABORTIONS.
How hard is it to understand other people can have different stands on the matter while still having right-wing viewpoints.
Oliver Gomez
i understand and respect his righteous anger on some issues like abortion, altough i disagree with him on atleast some details in those topics. Shows that he is a very well spoken person that lays out his arguments accuratly. I like him better than Milo atleast, because although entertaining that guy is just on constant troll mode and i don't know where i am supposed to take him seriously. My biggest problem with him is, like with all conservative alt right spokes persons, is that they push the "climate change is a myth" or atleast trivializes it. It's always sad to see otherwise rational people don't apply their rational faculties anymore once they have an agenda on something
John Sanchez
He understands us and agrees but cannot bring himself to support it because he is of another culture
Brody Jenkins
If your brother does that to spread lies (outside the courtroom) then I don't have a lot of respect for him.
Jayden Richardson
>spread lies He isn't lying though.
Benjamin Cook
>Constantly talks about Israel's interests No, not our guy. Not even remotely. He's a Jew shill.
Jordan Butler
Hes just undercover, he goes full chosen at critical moments.
Andrew Reyes
he fights the goyim
Jacob James
Also Jews do it more. Perhaps because aptitude at legal quibbling was their most advantageous trait for hundreds of years. (Talmud skill = become Rabbi and have the most kids, not many options for work other than being a merchant or a hustler in some sort of vice industry)
Bentley Phillips
Shapiro certainly is. There's a difference between fucking about playing devils advocate and dividing ideas and going full shill to an audience
David Ward
*discussing
Zachary Lewis
okay so what does Shapiro lie about though?
Kayden Cook
>He will cautiously support Trump until he sees an opportunity for betrayal I am so ready for this to happen and to call him out on this, something in me doesn't want to trust a kike.
>I like him better than Milo atleast Still waiting for that debate, Milo is such a little bitch and knows he would get destroyed. >they push the "climate change is a myth" or atleast trivializes it I actually haven't heard him talk about this much, do you have any links for this? I am all for being skeptical, but some on the right are delusional to the point of being anti-science.
This is still not a fucking argument.
Isaiah Roberts
Quoted for truth. Opportunistic turncoat.
Jacob Stewart
Waterboarding not being torture.
Kevin Scott
Fuck off ben, you rat nosed kike
Luke Smith
he'll join whatever side is winning or that will make him the most attention and money and then switch sides before you notice the knife he put in your back.
Carter Bailey
let me get your source
Ian Bell
Nope, after that Michelle Fields thing he lost any support from me. >women are so used to falsely accusing males or assault/rape and ruining their lives over it >video comes out proving she was lying >Ben continues to back her after the video Fuck that shit. Anyone who feeds this bullshit needs to be hung.
one of the times i wonder where he gets his information from. Because he is straight up denying it on some points in the talk and then diverts by saying, that even if it's true it's trivial for humans (something along the lines: "water rises? Just move higher up") I agree with him when he says, that we have more urgent problems and on some points where he critizises liberals approach to it, but he completely dismisses it being one of the biggest problems humanity will face in the next generations to come
Samuel Cook
Then why did he leave Breitbart when Trump's campaign was taking off? Why did he still oppose Trump the day after he won? Why did he ever oppose Obama?
Aiden Rodriguez
Yeah I like that he's skeptical because that's always good when you're talking about public policy. The quote that solar power is at 4% is misleading because the best products are at 18% now and with the increase in technology, it will become quite efficient. However, government oversight and carbon taxes still aren't the real solution to this, the free market will do a better job at reflecting consumer needs and desires, which he's right on. He's also right that China and other developing countries don't give a fuck, so if they don't care about the environment, why should you? The government shouldn't punish us for using our dollar as we see fit. He takes a very lax view on the climate and how it affects us though: the world has been fine through massive fluctuations, but that doesn't mean the human species won't be fucked. Thanks for the source.
Carter Nguyen
youtu.be/5bXd5w0mKYQ "The definition of torture is actually damage to systems so pulling fingernails is actually not torture goy it's called enhanced interrogation that makes someone who was your avowed enemy one minute ago say whatever you want without being swayed by conversation, learn the definitions, also my friend, in a safe environment where he could stop at any time and with the fact that he only /felt/ like he was drowning explained to him by the interrogators found the experience extremely unpleasant but also amusing." The level of intelligence, superficial resemblance to truth and utter lack of honesty is quite amazing.
Leo Thomas
You really need an iron mind to withstand the lies of the Jew. I would say you need devotion to something outside yourself, like truth or god or a folk. They are fantastic at word games and playing on emotions. They like completely without guilt and only look vaguely annoyed when caught irrefutably. The "I grew to hate them" quote is dead on.
Julian Lee
What's wrong about what he said though? Why is it wrong on a principle level about waterboarding people for information if it is actually effective? Seeing as the alternative could actually affect someone for the rest of their life? (if you cut off limbs or a finger from someone)
Jeremiah Sanchez
completely agree. The public policy is his strongest argument here. Carbon tax is retarded, but i do think that we should push cleaner energy (funding research into technology, have reasonable legistlation against pollution like we already have now: you can't just pump whatever you want into rivers or the air; entice companies with grants if they are carbon efficient). My problem with solar panels and other clean energy sources is that it takes energy to produce those things. If france produces solar panels, getting their energy for a large part from nuclear reactors, then it's a relatively clean source of energy. If italy produces them, getting large percenteage of their energy from fossil fuels, then it's not so clean anymore. Until large scale offshore power plants, or giant solar panel fields in the sahara are a thing i think we should build some thorium based nuclear power plants
Parker Robinson
>i do think that we should push cleaner energy (funding research into technology This is the future, investment into the development of technology in first world countries will be a net benefit for everyone in the world. >we should build some thorium based nuclear power plants Absolutely, nuclear energy is so overlooked by the left as some sort of boogeyman for environmental pollution but is incredibly clean when properly managed. I blame the Simpsons: youtube.com/watch?v=uH_8521bePM Still a great episode from the greatest animated series of all time.
Aiden Baker
What's wrong is that he claimed it's not torture, when it obviously is by any reasonable definition of the word. If someone really doesn't want to say something and you expose them to a level of physical or mental suffering to the point where they do it, that's torture. What's wrong on principle is that he's being deceptive. He's pulling people away from reality and thus weakening them.
Ethan Hall
He's a cuck, Trump is the only real deal you yanks have and you can tell that from how viscerally they hate him.
Nolan Rodriguez
ben shapiro is a weird guy.. seems to change his opinions every time he opens his mouth..
Ryder Green
>If someone really doesn't want to say something and you expose them to a level of physical or mental suffering to the point where they do it, that's torture. That pretty much seems to be the core of your argument. Let me play devil's advocate here for a minute. Let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where you know a person has hidden a hostage somewhere unknown with a bomb that will explode at a given time, killing the hostage.
You have this person on film and is a person who is clearly identifiable. Let's say he's a black guy with a giant Afro with a blonde stripe in the center. Let's also say he is on tape kidnapping a person from a gas station and forcing that person into a recognizable car like a red ford ranger.
If you only have 4 hours to find out where this person has been hidden, is it okay to torture him to the point of suffering to find this innocent person? What if it's 10 people?
The point I am trying to make is at a certain point caring about one person's suffering will actually lead to a large amount of people suffering. It seems there are cases where torture could be morally justified, although implementing it into governmental policy would more than likely lead to abuse.
Benjamin Lewis
Hes a jew. Even if he brown-nosed trump it wouldn't be good enough for Sup Forums
Bentley Smith
>neo-con He is far too right to be labelled a neo-con. Not liking trump doesn't make you a neo-con. Trumps a moderate despite what they want you to think. If anything trump is the neo-con.
Adrian Young
>Hes a jew. Even if he brown-nosed trump it wouldn't be good enough for Sup Forums Are you speaking for yourself or about Sup Forums as a whole? I understand there are many here that will never give him credit because tha jooos, but what do you think? >Trumps a moderate despite what they want you to think So many people, especially on the left, don't realize this and it's hilarious.
Colton Perez
The subject wasn't whether torture is acceptable.
Gavin Reed
What was the subject then? That he is being deceptive? Because that seems like an impossible claim to prove or disprove.
