Sup Forums won't be able to refute this. Face it, "cultural Marxism" doesn't exist, and what Sup Forums calls "cultural Marxism" (i.e. large-scale immigration, multiculturalism, the breakdown of the traditional family) is mostly the result of late CAPITALISM, not some conspiracy by Marxist academics to infiltrate the west. The Frankfurt School were actually social conservatives who mourned the loss of western culture under capitalism and modernity, something you'd know if you actually READ.
>"communism seeks to strengthen western civilization."-said by no one ever
Really makes me ponder.
Cameron Cox
>The Frankfurt School were actually social conservatives who mourned the loss of western culture under capitalism and modernity, something you'd know if you actually READ
Simply not true. You'd know this if you just bothered to read their work.
But instead you link a YouTube video.
Lol
Christian Butler
>/leftypol/ production unironically kys
Benjamin Wright
Capitalism, yes--but it's the ACADEMY which spreads the Cultural Marxist memes, educating the Brahmins to accept radical relativist morals and to be critical against their own civilization and the privileges thereof Capitalism doesn't enforce in people the POV that all values are relative--only the University does
Hudson Taylor
Unironically its the product of both Marxism and Capitalism. The only solution is Fascist economics.
A capitalist will create free trade deals that hurt a nation's working class by outsourcing jobs overseas just to have more money.
Aaron Murphy
Japan reached this "late capitalism" stage a long time ago and it is pretty much immune to cultural marxism.
Hunter Lopez
>tfw we're the real marxists
William Morales
Yuri Bezmenov Watch his documentaries etc.
Dominic Hughes
it's true because B L A C K E D
John Green
>say something is debunked >the presentation or argument doesn't debunk the thing AT ALL
every time
Justin Garcia
Communism seeks to CHANGE civilization.
Charles Johnson
What the fuck are you talking about?! I read a lot of the Frankfurt School texts and I can tell you exactly where Horkheimer is talking positively about religion, especially Christianity, why it is wrong to abolish religion and what are the consequences of growing atheism. The text is: "Theismus - Atheismus" in "Zur Kritik der instrumentellen Vernunft". What now?!
Chase Jenkins
So you're telling me the reprogramming of the youth by far left professors to support altruistic causes and completely ignore logic isn't true? All this weird shit is just natural? Hmm really makes me think. Guess we should just let it happen then. Thanks Mr. Jew!
Sebastian Evans
>Simply not true. You'd know this if you just bothered to read their work. I have, and can tell you their views were generally much, much closer to Evola than tumblr.
Aiden Campbell
He's not credible. Also, the Frankfurt School began before the KGB was even a thing.
Brody Cooper
weak b8 david brock t. ex gay frankfurt school marxist
Dominic Johnson
>israeli That's why.
Henry Mitchell
>the originators of critical theory >social conservatives >you'd know if you actually READ This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a neo-Marxist claim. Kill yourself and your entire family...
Kevin Russell
Thank you for finally telling the truth. I don't know who started this shit with linking the term "Cultural Marxism" with Critical Theory but it is just beyond bullshit. It seems like someone just looked for a group of jews that have sympathies for the Communist idea and told everyone that they are responsible for the downfall of Western civilization - exactly the issue that Adorno and Horkheimer wrote about in "Dialectic of Enlightment". But they don't want to destroy the civilization. They want to rescue it, by showing why the Western civilization is starting to destroy itself. It all looks like the classic "Kill the Messenger"-game.
Mason Reyes
MORE LIKE DRUMPF AM I RIGHT GUYS?! GEEEETAR SOLO! IN YOUR FACE AND EXTREME! IT WAS HER TURN DOODZ!!!! FUCK YEAH!
Kevin Torres
>critical theory advocates social conservatism Are you seriously fucking retarded, or is this the pitiful level neo-Marxist shills have to stoop to these days to promote their poison?
Tyler Anderson
Then fuckin read at least one text from them. You are the one who is claiming shit.
Ian Thompson
They were social conservatives. Adorno hated pop culture and viewed it as being degenerate. Fromm saw capitalism as destroying human relationships and said people were much less alienated in pre-capitalist times.
Alexander Torres
Look, I gave you a citation from an actual text. You are just insulting me... Give me just one quote from a text of the Frankfurt School. Just one. You can't.
Christian Jones
The entire point behind Critical Theory is to "challenge" the social order, because the neo-Marxists believe that it's antithetical to their retarded ideas of "freedom". If you can't even acknowledge this much, then you are a literal fucking moron who doesn't even have the slightest idea what Critical Theory is.
Jose Reed
>But they don't want to destroy the civilization. They want to rescue it, by showing why the Western civilization is starting to destroy itself.
This.
Josiah Harris
Which one of them is the true genius?
Samuel Russell
>we don't want to destroy anything! we're just trying to do the right thing! ... said literally every cancerous cult in the history of mankind, from Mussolini to Pol Pot. The fact that you would say something retarded like "they supported social conservatism" shows how deeply deluded and clueless you are, because Critical Theory is inherently against it.
David Thomas
Yes, but is the current social order good and does not need to be changed? Is global capitalism the perfect system? If you're thinking that "freedom" is retarted then you're the fucking moron
James Bell
Probably Walter Benjamin since he was the most radical (and also religious). He was also the only Frankfurt School member to live in the USSR.
Grayson Sullivan
In my opinion, Adorno was the one who has the stronger point on arts, aesthetics and culture. Horkheimer often wrote much more political and sociological texts.
Benjamin Barnes
I already told you, the Frankfurt School rejected modernity on the basis it was cancerous and lead to society's downfall.
Read Horkheimer and Adorno on the culture industry if you don't believe me, or Benjamin on progress, or Fromm on love.
Caleb Ortiz
Marxist idiocy
Ayden Thomas
But you were fucking claiming 5 minutes ago that they advocated for social conservatism. You fucking cretin. They were decidedly against it.
>If you're thinking that "freedom" is retarted then you're the fucking moron I think their concept of freedom is retarded, because the freedom they seek is not freedom from active coercion, but rather, freedom from one's circumstances. In the neo-Marxist's mind, if society refuses to treat mentally-ill trannies as women, then society is violating their "freedom" to be women.
Jack Bailey
Privilege Theory has nothing to do with Marxism. If you're going to blame any philosopher for this garbage, blame Martin Heidegger (you know, a fucking fascist).
Evan White
Literally not an argument. They were against social conservatism specifically (because it limited human "freedom"), and they were against all ideologies (conservatism being one). Just stop fucking lying. You clearly have not read anything by them. Probably just watched some retarded YouTube videos made by a cretin like you.
Logan Mitchell
Karl Marx never had a real job lol
Robert Gomez
Checkt
Easton Clark
So?
Perhaps you can point to me where the Franks called for the destruction of the west, rather than making vague appeals?
Ryder Fisher
>Make it seem like what they're actually doing, is just an absurd conspiracy theory Uh huh. Hi shareblue.
Alexander Sullivan
Socialism is state capitalism, and Marx was pretty fucking clear about things like the destruction of the family unit. Having lived though Soviet hell I can speak form some experiance.
The Marxist ideals that infiltrated the west though academia were soviet funded, and if you spend any time looking at the 1960s starting with UC Berley and spreading like a plague you could see it was very very obvious.
Christian Gonzalez
Soros approves!
Gavin Bennett
>Marx was pretty fucking clear about things like the destruction of the family unit. False. Marx merely said the family makeup would change as the relations of production chance.
Jayden Torres
>Perhaps you can point to me where the Franks called for the destruction of the west Can you show me where I said they called for the destruction of the West, you lying piece of neo-Marxist shit?
>rather than making vague appeals Pointing out how fucking retarded you are for saying that they supported social conservatism isn't a "vague appeal". It's based on two very central aspects of their philosophy, and it shows just how fucking clueless you are. There's literally no point talking to you because you have no idea what you're talking about. You are a lying shill.
Liam Scott
Soros has nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.
Gabriel Mitchell
Look, social order and social conservatism is not the same. You can live in a democratic society and still be religious, there is the difference.
And where do you got this definition from? Look at my picture, Horkheimer is writing that, "Some dark activities are necessary to preserve society, like the running of prisons and the production of weapons; to reject it would mean self-exposure."
Justin Kelly
The breakdown of the family is the cause you dunce. One of them anyway. Capitalism reflects society. Its the godless degenerates that are the problem. If you think communism is the answer, you are a complete fud
Jacob Scott
My bro :) You don't even see someone who is defending (early) Critical Theory and despising Post-Structuralism and its roots.
Christian Gutierrez
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Kayden Cruz
Agreed. Here in France it's pretty obvious what's "behind" SJWs: post-structuralism, specifically AMERICAN interpretations of Foucault, Barthes, Kristeva, Derrida, etc.
The only places where the Frankfurt School and post-structuralism overlap is Benjamin's early writings on language.
Jaxson Ramirez
Let me repeat, you fucking retard: first of all, social conservatism is an ideology, and they viewed all ideologies as a huge problem. Secondly, Critical Theory advocated for challenging the social order. This is decidedly against social conservatism. Social conservatism seeks to PRESERVE the social order. Thirdly, they considered socially conservative ideas (e.g. the role of women, the status of homosexuality etc.) to be against human freedom.
Here's the New Yorker literally acknowledging the Frankfurt School
Cameron Phillips
>Secondly, Critical Theory advocated for challenging the social order. Challenging capitalism, liberal democracy, and modernity, yes.
Adrian Young
You literally did not address any part of the argument, subhuman.
Connor Cook
Only somebody who went to college could be this much of a fucking retard.
Alexander Cook
It.... It can't be....
Ryder Powell
Adorno lemented the destruction of western values by instrumental reason, something alt-right cucks that just repeat memes don't know about.
Nolan Brown
Change class with gender/race in Marx and you have yourselves cultural Marxism. Can you do the same with capitalism?
Samuel Myers
Explain.
No. I've read the works of the Franks and know full well the conspiracy theory is complete garbage.
Samuel Kelly
You're talking about post-structuralism, or "post-Marxism" which has nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.
Nicholas Barnes
Cultural marxism is a term used to describe an observable phenomena. Whether it is manufactured or not is debatable, even at that the debate would be a stretch.
Mason Morris
Privilege theory is literally just applying marxist theory on class relations to other group identities.
John Robinson
It has happened long time ago.
Jordan Gomez
It's not. Privilege Theory is mostly idealist.
Jackson Baker
The post you were responding to contained 3 points. You only responded to one, and your response literally confirmed it to be correct (you acknowledge that they advocated challenging the social order. This is obviously the opposite of social conservatism, which seeks to preserve the social order).
Daniel Rogers
>calls for drastic reforms >social conservative Threads like this make me realise commies are probably reptilian. No warm-blooded humanoid can utilize this form of double-think as shilling tactic and still sleep well at night.
Dominic Reyes
So is class theory.
Nathan Baker
Exactly, I've been arguing this for ages. "Degeneracy" as pol views it is the natural outcome of capitalism. The only thing that matters in a capitalist economy is profit. If people can make a profit by promoting two men fucking or men chopping their dicks off to become 'women', then they have incentive to do it.
There's a reason why the ex communist states are the most racist, nationalistic, and based. Because the economy, and consequently values, were strictly controlled. You cannot control the values of a society with a capitalist economy. Degeneracy sells, and everyone is buying.
Oliver Gray
>>calls for drastic reforms Explain. Adorno never called for cultural revolution.
Aaron Campbell
"Cultural Marxism" shilled*
Jacob Jones
>mah nigga
Hudson Richardson
This. Marxism takes the comfy position of criticizing capitalism not by comparing it to any other existing systems, but by a theoretical, completely made up utopian one. It's infantile.
>as long as you're not out right calling for a revolution you're probably a conservative Are you people braindead? Do you even understand what conservative means? Hegel must be a monarchist to you.
Samuel Taylor
The ex-communist states are nationalistic and based because they've seen the fucking mess that occurs when the state controls everything.
Thus Poland recently crowned Jesus king of the land
Nicholas Russell
Could you explain how you relate Adorno's writings to the current SJW manifestation?
Kayden Russell
Could you explain who with a functioning brain could possibly describe the Frankfurt school as "socially conservative"? Is anyone who isn't promoting a violent revolution right-wing to you faggots?
Samuel Jones
Reminder that I've demonstrated your absolute lack of understanding and you still have not addressed it.
Aaron Brooks
"capitalists" ship jobs overseas because people like your glorious fascist overlords who magically know better than everyone else ruin the labor market structure with things like minimum wage laws.
minimum wages create an artificial surplus in the domestic labor market, but because this doesn't actually eliminate most jobs, employers demanding the labor are forced to turn to either international markets or the domestic black market (illegal immigrants) to fill those jobs.
tl;dr "fasicst economics" is code for "hurr durr I'm a retard adam smith was a witch"
Ayden Bell
>he is not credible wrong >the frankfurt school is older than the KGB No fucking shit. Commie jews already existed before stalin and they were already infiltrating schools
But to clarify, the frankfurt school isn't all to blame for the current sjw culture, just for keeping marxism alive and sunversive. It's your other marxist friends, the post-modernists, who are more directly responsible for the state of the modern left.
Luke Richardson
change doesnt mean good user.
William Hughes
No, they are nationalistic and based because the soviet union was an extremely conservative society (minus abortions, but even then they were frowned upon socially and many women did them illegally) and were kept away from the influence of Western society and media. They were shut off from western media and culture for 70 years. It's only since the collapse of the soviet union that these societies are slowly becoming as degenerate as the west.
In the soviet union being a homosexual warranted a prison sentence, women were expected to be women (despite women's rights), and so on.
And you completely avoided the fact that capitalism promotes degeneracy by its very nature.
Michael Cox
>marxists.org This is adorable. It's like a libertarian linking me to mises.org to reassure his own talking points. Sorry pal, I'm not clicking that. I don't want my browser history to catch aids.
Marxists will never understand the underpinning of reality as game-theory.
Ryder Green
Marcuse actually detested hippies.
Wyatt Hall
The frankfurt school did not promote revolution, you clown. Faggots that don't know anything, shut the fuck up for 10 minutes, and learn something.
Luke Russell
What does it matter the label we use? It is the underlying concept that matters.
German's call the head 'kopf'. We call the head 'head'. Does the fact the German's label the head 'kopf' change the underlying concept behind what kopf is from head? No. Whether we call it cultural marxism or acjdgdjgj'ism, doesn't matter. The parasitic dispossession of the white patriarchy still occurs under it. It still pushes racial and gender communism. It still destroys white people and white societies and western civilization. It is still what it is and it still exists, despite what label we use.
Luis Williams
so why do you love them?
Landon Reed
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Adam Howard
This is all a splitting of hairs over terms; when people here talk about Cultural Marxism, they are really talking about the emergence of several modern far left schools of thought that is taught in our universities and transforming the minds of our youth.
The truth is different leftists professors are into different sub-groups of leftist thought and teach their own perspective which overtime alters the collective far left perspective in which the most appealing ideas come into the forefront.
When we talk about "Cultural Marxism" its a short hand term for the influence of Post Marxist schools of thought like Frankfurt School and Critical Theory, Gramscianism, along with relativist philosophy like Post Modernism, and Post Structuralism among other ideas. We don't care about the OCD nitpicking of which sub-sub group of post-marxist thought about this one minor subject at this one time. We care that it help continue to carry the torch of broken leftists thoughts like Marxism and Egalitarianism whether directly or indirectly with their bullshit theories.
Bentley Garcia
Read this fucking essay and then tell me with a straight face it's socially conservative. Fuck, man. You have not the slightest clue what you're talking about...
Ayden Long
Do you have zero reading comprehention? Of course they didn't you dumb fuck, that's exactly what I said. They promoted heavy reforms. What I pointed out is that it takes a special kind of retard to affirm that radical reformists are actually socially-conservative.
Owen Ramirez
Whoah, communist states are the most racist? Wow I want to live in a totalitarian police state where everyone is poor now.
You keep using your libcuck buzzwords as if they actually describe anything in reality. Your communist bullshit is a modern phenomenon having existed for less than two centuries. Yet le ebil capitalism you hate so much has been the default mode of operation for every naturally evolved society. Exchanges of goods and services, quid pro quo. Everyone has their own share of wealth and deal with as they see fit, instead of having everything administrated by an elite intelligentsiya where you can only hope that they act in your best interest, which they never do.
You make the mistake of rigidly tying a moral state of things to an economic system. What is at fault here is the decay of virtues and morality which are independent from economic systems. And this decay of moral virtues is another result of marxist subversion. You people are all about subversion, because when there is no morality you can substitute your own, where there is no order you can substitute your own, where there is no law you can substitute your own, where there are no ideals you can substitute your own.
The only mistake our society did was to give you shits a platform.
Jaxson Gutierrez
thats why we need fascism. Let the free market rule, but restrict them for doing a-moral things. Capitalist liberalism is the cancer, not capitalism itself. Go away commie shill
Anthony Lopez
You need to achieve balanced trade. The rest is all just asterisks.
Benjamin Baker
The result of globalist immigration policies will be socialism turn communism turn starvation and mass death. It will become the dominant ideology.
