The old order, bogged down by conventional thought, are unable to solve the problems of the new frontier. The new frontier finds the same problems, same solutions, and the same linear thinking that found the previous order surprised when it's cycle was up.
No one should be surprised to find that: >Teenagers born after 2000 - the so-called 'Generation Z' - are the most socially conservative generation since the Second World War, a new study has found.
>At each of these great gates of history, eighty to a hundred years apart, a similar generational drama unfolded. Four archetypes, aligned in the same order – elder Prophet, midlife Nomad, young adult Hero, child Artist – together produced the most enduring legends in our history. Each time the Grey Champion appeared marked the arrival of a moment of “darkness, and adversity, and peril,” the climax of the Fourth Turning of the saeculum.–The Fourth Turning–Strauss & Howe
>“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.”–Strauss & Howe–The Fourth Turning
>“Americans have always been blind to the next turning until after it fully arrives.
>Most of today’s adult Americans grew up in a society whose citizens dreamed of perpetually improving outcomes: better jobs, fatter wallets, stronger government, finer culture, nicer families, smarter kids, all the usual fruits of progress. Today, deep into the Third Turning, these goals feel like they are slipping away. Many of us wish we could rewind time, but we know we can’t – and we fear for our children and grandchildren.
>Many Americans wish that, somehow, they could bring back a saecular spring now. But seasons don’t work that way. As in nature, a saecular autumn can be warm or cool, long or short, but the leaves will surely fall. The saecular winter can hurry or wait, but history warns that it will surely be upon us.
>We may not wish the Grey Champion to come again – but come he must, and come he will.” –The Fourth Turning–Strauss & Howe
>In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this currentFourth Turning. The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.
Post higher quality image shithead I can't read shit on that
Hunter Lee
I can't find any larger ones
Christian Roberts
Bump.
Anyone have an opinion?
Parker Long
I don't know about these labels artist prophet hero etc etc, if you could shed some light into their meaning that'd be great as for the cyclic nature of human history it's pretty much confirmed. The meme 'history is doomed to repeat itself' isn't a meme for no reason; what exactly are you trying to find in all of this user?
Grayson Wood
>Prophetgenerations are bornafter a great war or other crisis,during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-crisis era, come of age as narcissistic young crusaders of a spiritual awakening, cultivate principle as moralistic midlifers, and emerge as wise elders guiding another historical crisis. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their coming-of-age passion and their principled elder stewardship. Their principle endowments are often in the domain ofvision, values,andreligion. Their best-known historical leaders include John Winthrop, William Berkeley, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover, and Franklin Roosevelt. These were principled moralists, summoners of human sacrifice, and wagers of righteous wars. Early in life, few saw combat in uniform; later in life, most came to be revered more for their inspiring words than for their grand deeds. (Example among today’s living generations:Boomers.)
Gavin Watson
>Nomadgenerations are bornduring a spiritual awakening, a time of social ideals and spiritual agendas when youth-fired attacks break out against the established institutional order. Nomads grow up as underprotected children during this awakening, come of age as alienated young adults in a post-awakening world, mellow into pragmatic midlife leaders during a historical crisis, and age into tough post-crisis elders. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their rising-adult years of hell-raising and for their midlife years of hands-on, get-it-done leadership. Their principle endowments are often in the domain ofliberty, survival, andhonor. Their best-known historical leaders include Nathaniel Bacon, William Stoughton, George Washington, John Adams, Ulysses Grant, Grover Cleveland, Harry Truman, and Dwight Eisenhower. These have been cunning, hard-to-fool realists—taciturn warriors who prefer to meet problems and adversaries one-on-one. (Example among today’s living generations:Generation X.)
Carter Cruz
>Herogenerations are bornafter a spiritual awakening, during a time of individual pragmatism, self-reliance, laissez faire, and national (or sectional or ethnic) chauvinism. Heroes grow up as increasingly protected post-awakening children, come of age as the heroic young team-workers of a historical crisis, demonstrate hubris as energetic midlifers, and emerge as powerful elders attacked by another awakening. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their collective coming-of-age triumphs and their hubristic elder achievements. Their principle endowments are often in the domain ofcommunity, affluence,andtechnology. Their best-known historical leaders include Cotton Mather, “King” Carter, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan. These have been vigorous and rational institution builders. In midlife, all have been aggressive advocates of economic prosperity and public optimism, and all have maintained a reputation for civic energy and competence to the very ends of their lives. (Examples among today’s living generations:G.I.sandMillennials.)
Juan Mitchell
>Artistgenerations are bornduring a great war or other historical crisis, a time when great worldly perils boil off the complexity of life and public consensus, aggressive institutions, and personal sacrifice prevail. Artists grow up overprotected by adults preoccupied with the crisis, come of age as the sensitive young adults of a post-crisis world, break free as indecisive midlife leaders during a spiritual awakening, and age into empathic post-awakening elders. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their quiet years of rising adulthood and their midlife years of flexible, consensus-building leadership. Their principle endowments are often in the domain ofpluralism, expertiseanddue process. Their best-known historical leaders include William Shirley, Cadwallader Colden, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. These have been sensitive and complex social technicians, advocates of fair play and the politics of inclusion. (Examples among today’s living generations:SilentandHomelanders.)
Aiden Campbell
You're right it's a meme for a reason. This, though, suggests that not only does history repeat itself, but it repeats because the generational attitudes repeat themselves. In essence, major events don't just happen, the timing of events can be predicted.
Owen Ward
Bump
Isaiah Perry
Sorry user phone went flat
Lucas Hill
Ok so in regards to the labels and placing on the time line I find problematic, also the timeline itself is very American centred which doesn't make a lot of sense on the whole prior to 1945 America was a minor world power. The graph also places nomads with heros as the heros of the Great War...
Jaxson Wilson
With the first graph posted found a higher quality, the Great War is sitting firmly in autum, and not in winter. Personally I would shift the whole thing around as the Great War as the start of winter and ww2 at the end placing the Great Depression firmly in the middle.
Charles Gonzalez
Now the theory itself is interesting and maybe there has been a lot more research done on it than I am aware of. I think to get a picture with more clarity than what has been posted, each nation or region needs its own cycle represented as a wave, as wave you could map cycles based on amplitude wavelength and frequency
Carson Barnes
When waves collide they either cancel out or amplify, 'keeping it simple'. So using this you can get a clearer picture of what's happening. As for the character archetypes I think it's a load of malarkey calling my generation heroes on par with those of the the Great War and ww2 is ludacris, character archetypes are a product of the events they endure, and can only be labelled post the events.
Jonathan Brooks
It's Anglo-American centered. There are other generational theories out there, but strauss-howe just focused on this. I've just started reading on the subject but it seems to me that the ability for a civilization to experience generational turnings, depends on how advanced and how reform friendly it is.
Like I said, I'm just getting into this, but the explanations for the placements of the catalysts and turnings, as given by the authors, makes sense.
Check this post, these articles are where I started. I'm sure the theory is flawed, I'm just not in the place to critique it.
Levi Hernandez
How old are you? If you're coming of age now, then we have yet to go through the crisis, the crisis creates the heroes.
Jose Jackson
it reminds me of pic related
I think the r/K selection theory is much more accurate to describe what is happening
There are also pieces of evidence, like the amygdala size that can easily correlate to many of these principles.
The best part of this theory is also that its connected to modern science, to evolutionary principles.
This generational theory sounds like a less refined, and less accurate attempt to get what is really going on.
Sebastian Cruz
Sorry just saw post, I agree timing of events can be predicted, but to accurately map you would have to plot each nations own cycle against each other if you have enough crisis points aligning at the same point in time then you will get your massive conflict, your Christ your anti christ and what nots. I hope this makes sense. The theory's itself requires a more objective approach, as with all social/pseudoscience it falls into the trap of labelling instead of objective aloofness.
Luis Miller
Mid 20s
Asher Sanchez
Yes, absolutely. I've seen how the two theories would complement each other nicely.
And I think evolutionary biology is what keeps us from straying to far from the mean.
Noah Morris
Can't wait for male leadership. I'm genuinely very excited. I hope I die before feminism comes back.
Dominic Lewis
>French and Indian war >women in charge What?
James James
Okay, how does the abortion debate factor into this?
Conservatives believe that every baby is sacred and abortion is murder, liberals are more prudent about having a baby when the child is right. So doesn't that mean liberals are the real K-type?
Dylan Bailey
You may be right, and like I said, I'm sure there are cycles, if not this exact one, that can apply to any society.
I think they first compared the changes from one generation to the next and then placed the catalyst for the change.
Gabriel Bailey
I believe it's talking about the difference between feminine and masculine ideals. Not feminism itself.
Kayden Barnes
Don't think of it as in charge. Look at this chart. It's implying that the roles are least defined.
Jayden Nelson
>this graph how hard is it to make a bloody spiral ffs?
Cooper Robinson
agreed that it's too myopic to be of real value. believe it or not, these peoples all trade with countries outside of their non-heathen culture. for all the implications that a simple worldview is The Best, this might as well be measuring dick size and comparing women's body shapes in each culture. this "Theory" is provincial and lacking in both mathematical rigor and critical thinking. the ancestors of the same retards who love this "anglo-american centered" stuff would have decried the mixing of even the european blood that makes up most mongrel americans. it's all a farce and when you go back just 500 years, the people are not even the same bloodlines. it's very nice to visualize patterns of culture, but ultimately incomplete because the people who make these theories are terrible at abstract mathematical thinking.
Oliver Reed
Hmmm interesting user what would you do would you map the events then correlate humanities changes, or do it in the opposite order map humanities changed then correlate the events?
From a scientific perspective I think I would personally map the catalyst first then observe societies reactions.
Alexander Morales
killing your competing K selected, like that of race of hostile political things, is also a K thing...lol
Ian Bell
Kek
Justin Peterson
the way to break this cycle, is through evolutionary biology though.
I think that in the far future we could see solutions like those in the starship trooper universe come into play.
I think...though I am not sure, but if you were to expose children, till early adults to stressors. They will remain K selected until they die.
if you did that in each generation, you could probably create super stable society that will remain so for thousands of years. As long as the biology is reigned in of course.
Think of something like a really long youth camp, with some dangers and death even to turn kids more hard.
Tyler Torres
I think this idea would ultimately fail, once leaving said group indoctrination camp people would rebel a farce of a crisis is not akin to the real thing also in this established fake crisis who is the true enemy, the answer is the establishment who created the farce in the first place.
Brandon Taylor
>your children are your competition
Oh uh, okay?
Ryan Robinson
That freetard dickwaving at the end. Nobody gives a fuck what software you used.
>“If foreign societies are also entering a Fourth Turning, this could accelerate the chain reaction.”
Kevin Smith
he's talking about the picture in the OP because he's super mad about free software but can't fucking link the correct post. top level genius we have there.
Ethan Sullivan
This is actually really cool. Going to lurk and read/research this later.
Gabriel Gomez
I don't like this theory because it implies we'll always be stuck with the mistakes of the previous cycles
Jackson Thompson
Until we do something to stop it, we are doomed, we had a chance, we had the possibility to prevent all this. All we had to do was listen and join the good fight but (((they))) united the world against him. and killed him. We chose the wrong path in history. Hitler was right and a time line where we fought along side him against jewish communism could have prevented all of this.
Brandon Clark
I'm obsessed with it. I even follow Neil Howe closely. He hates Trump and seems to be having some sort of personal crisis due to the election. Watch his latest interview on hedgeye.
Luke Peterson
You're overromanticizing. NatSoc is not any more immune to corruption and misinterpretation than any other ideology.
Jaxon Gutierrez
I believe he meant killing your potatoes being K While killing and making haphazardly being r
