Prove that MGTOW isn't degenerate

Protip: You can't

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MGTOW: Cucking redpilled men.

Even the name is fucking retarded.

There's nothing to prove. You're creating a character and saying "This hypothetical person is degenerate." If an actual MGTOW says something I disagree with, then we can have a discussion, but I'm not going to argue with your fictional character.

MGTOW is literally male feminism

It is powered by salt which leads to bullshit facts which leads to more salt

Just listen to this cringe fest, le redpill mgtows are becoming suicidal because their manchild decisions are firing back at them

youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Xs5XWcoNM

Well then get to fucking! It's your life, not mine.

ok irl quagmire

giggity giggity get that pussy mgtow bro

>not getting into a relationship with women is degenerate
>inb4 you say some bullshit like, "but how r u going to have 10 white kids xD?"

>MGTOW is literally male feminism
MGTOWs don't influence laws and don't even intend to, that'd be MRAs.
MGTOWs don't have a public platform. The media doesn't defend them; quite the opposite actually. The UN doesn't invite them as speakers. Universities don't force students to listen to them.

So how is it "literally male feminism"?

Haha, all men who question feminism are losers.

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Hi Austrian Autist!

Nihilism and not having white kids isn't questioning shit.

What is the point of this thread?
What did you hope to accomplish with it?

Why don't you answer the question?

Why aren't you are polygamist with dozens of teenage brides user?

Race traitor.

Mgtow is feminism - for men

See

Dating/Marrying women who aren't virgins is degenerate, prove me wrong.

Proptip: You can't.

>Wasting money on women
>Falling for the vaginal jew

kek

It's the same beliefs that feminists have - for men. Nobody gives a fuck though.

>It's the same beliefs that feminists have - for men.
Name those beliefs.

>no fault divorce ruins marriage
>delusional traditionalists still think marriage is how it's supposed to be

Why don't you tell me Mr mgtow. I'll try my best to look interested.

>Why don't you tell me Mr mgtow.
Because I didn't make the claim that they're the same because they share the same beliefs. For you to make that statement without talking out of your ass you need to know what those beliefs are.

We both know that you are talking out of your ass though, which is why I'm not really expecting an answer to my question in the next post.

>Free will is apparently a jewish creation

Might as well give me a dreidel and call me Herman

You already said we cant

Women and children arent degenerate.

The system is a financial gamble though that isn't worth it.

>surely the rise in median age of first marriages had nothing to do with the invention of prophylactics

>If X is true, then how come Y? Checkmate Z.

This thread is Sup Forums tier.

Okay then, I'm talking out my ass. At least I can admit that may be wrong. A manly thing to do and I don't even have to *go my own way* to do it!

So what are your beliefs Mr mgtow?

>Okay then, I'm talking out my ass.
Yes.

Even if MGOTW isn't male feminism and MRA is, it is voluntary extinction.
The Jew couldn't have planned it any better.

>implying MGTOW is voluntary
>Implying anyone of these guys wouldn't eat broken glass for the right girl.

It's a response to the feminism that has fucked a lot of us over, left us without purpose.

self (you)

>Having kids means the niggers won't overpopulate us anyway

retard

>it is voluntary extinction
Only if you don't use any of the current alternatives to the traditional route of having children. But that's up to you.

It's a tragic situation we're in, but that situation isn't going to go away by ignoring it or by abandoning our rational self-interest.

Haha you're literally worse than a woman.

>I'm right, you're wrong
>I'm leaving
>I'm taking the house, the car, the dog, the children, all your money
>end of discussion

And I said may be. You haven't convinced me otherwise.

my understanding of mgtow was that they just don't want to deal with all the bullshit that crops up. Im sure there is more then their fare share of compete faggots, considering considering it will attract everyone from that 3 time divorce guy to the cant get laid even when paying omegas, who both rage and whine about women.

Then there are people like me, who would never label themselves as mgtow but would easily fit into the criteria. After watching my little brother be born and grow up, how much of a bastard he was, and a society that refuses to let you hit kids (lets be frank, there are some kids who will respond to timeouts, and then there are kids who will do their absolute most to make your life hell no matter what you do so its as much a punishment for you if not more so, these are the ones that hitting is a great solution as it at least gives them a consequence that is tangible) to just how much he hates my dad who literally did nothing wrong but not hit the fucker.

I have watched women lie about birth control to get pregnant
I have watched one flip a condom inside out and finger fuck herself with it to 'keep her man' to a friends older brother in college
I have watched the results of 4 marriages fall apart from family and friends, and how dicked over the guy was in every single case, even when the bitch was found cheating on him in their own bed on a 'I'm home early' kind of deal (servers crashed hard at work, and because no one could do shit while they were at work, they sent everyone non critical to fixing shit home)
I have seen what I get to pick from, at my age the good ones are all taken, or at best coming off a divorce/widowed
Then to kick everything off, If I don't pay for it, both me and who I am with are settling, on this is as good as we can do.

I would rather just not participate in that system given how shitty it is for me, and how little incentive it gives me to do anything besides 'but you will get laid if you do'

MGTOW is voluntary. You get all the good parts (attention, sex, maybe even an emotional relationship) without the shitty part (marriage). If you are MGTOW you can still bang sloots, you just don't want to get married and risk losing half your shit. MGTOW is voluntary, but incels are not voluntary. That's what you're thinking of .

>being this much of a defeatist
>being this much of a selfish degenerate
ishiggydiggy

Like what? Advocating the further destruction of the nuclear family? That sounds like some feminist shit to me.
What are the other alternatives?

I'm an unattractive male and I couldn't care less about some MGTOW shit. I understand why women dont want me, just like I'm not interested in fat/ugly girls. I can't understand though why those retards waste their time on being salty and making/watching these videos etc.
I'm actively learning programming to become rich. Its my purpose in life and it isn't that bad. Just accept that you are undesirable, that shit happens but there's more to life than this after all.

I don't have to convince you of anything. You made a claim, I asked you to back it up, you failed to do so despite having had several opportunities now, which means to me that you're not interested in a discussion, and thus I'm wasting my time.

>defeatist

Oh yeah, all whites are suddenly gonna have 10 kids like all the niggers are right now
It's not being a defeatist it's not being a fucking retard

Yes you do. You have to tell me what your beliefs are. You know they're the same as feminists otherwise you'd just say. You'd have said earlier but you obviously have difficulty with that.

Literally worse than a woman.

It's being the kind of waste of white skin who surrenders to inferior peoples and says he refuses to "spend money on the vaginal jew".
Honestly, I'm glad you won't breed. We don't need any more like you.

Question: Is it still degenerate if you do things like sperm donation to get your white genes out? As much as I don't like it, I'm a bit too beta to properly cow a woman and a bit too self-respecting to let a woman cow me, so what other options do I have? Suicide is always an option, but I haven't got the balls for it, and aside, I do contribute to society, even if it's not genetically.

MGTOW is literally the opposite of feminism. Feminism seeks to benefit women, whereas MGTOW benefits men (though the core concepts could be used to protect the wealthier partner in a relationship even though divorce is usually less devastating to wealthy women than it is to wealthy men).

>surrenders to inferior people

How the fuck are you fighting them then, by doing nothing except fucking like niggers?

The nuclear family is already destroyed, user. That's the reality of the society we're in. The laws are in place, the support structure has been built. The only thing you can do now is pretending that it ain't so and then do your thing regardless of risk. That's just not very convincing to me.
The current alternative that comes closest would be having children from surrogacy. I'm not a fan of the idea of impregnating cunts you know wouldn't abort and then bailing on them, but if you're concerned about the extinction of whites that would also be an option.

Hopefully there'll be more options in the future; artificial wombs would take care of a lot of problems.

> makes a claim
> "prove me wrong"
Are you retarded? That isn't how logic works. Your claim is totally invalid unless you prove it regardless of if your opponent can disprove it.

> literally worse than a woman
Pot, meet kettle.

No. Niggers fuck indiscriminately, spread disease, and breed inferior offspring.
The white man should choose his mate wisely and put in the time and effort to raise his offspring well. Even with lesser numbers, a superior people can still dominate a world full of moronic savages.

Oh?

And when will you fight back?

When they outnumber you 2 to 1? 10 to 1? 100 to 1?

>You have to tell me what your beliefs are.
No, I don't have to do that. Please stop moving the goalposts.

>You know they're the same as feminists otherwise you'd just say. You'd have said earlier but you obviously have difficulty with that.
It's completely irrelevant to the discussion, user. Again, For you to make that statement ("Mgtow is feminism - for men", ) without talking out of your ass you need to know what those beliefs are.

So again and for the last time: What are those beliefs?

This is degeneracy and surrender.
The answer is here ---> You know what, untermensch? Don't breed. Don't do anything. Lie down and die. That's probably the best thing you personally can do for your race.

Why do you think you're so high and mighty when you're literally being passive and not actually doing anything

>The answer is here --->
Why were you whining about extinction then?

How the fuck do you know what I'm doing?
All you know is what I'm advocating and that is traditionalism and action.
I don't know what you're doing... but I know what you're advocating and that is surrender and degeneracy.

> untermensch
I've noticed that white nationalists tend to be the bottom of the barrel of whites. It's people who don't have anything else to be proud of, so they have to resort to being proud of being white (which admittedly does seem to grant a higher IQ). If I didn't go to college, or didn't have money, or have the awards I have, then maybe I too would be a white nationalist.

Agreed. Anyone who attacks an anti-marriage movement has issues.

Well, we're going to need some people.
If everyone followed MRA and MGOTW there would be no people.

>How the fuck do you know what I'm doing?

Oh, so you go out killing those "inferior people" so they wouldn't be able to breed and overpopulate you?

Or are you doing nothing of that sort and just being passive?

Mgtow is the only logical solution to how most modern women are today based on whatever your market value status is

Wrong as long as people can breed there will be people. There may not be a booming economy but really who cares. Consumerism is a disease.

>Those shirts

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>Well, we're going to need some people.
Maybe pause for a second and think about the "why".

You're thinking of skinheads and KKK types... a bunch of inked up degenerates.
Here, this whole thread needs this:
youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc

Why do that? Everyone deserves to exist... just not in the same countries. There may need to be a purge is all.

Tell me why not.

>Why do that?

You're telling me how I'm surrendering and not fighting, and then you ask me why we should fight?
You are doing nothing to stop the problem, how is that not surrendering

I think MGTOW should be increased cynicism towards women and their adoption of the Jewish hook-up culture/leech mentality, not denouncing vaginas altogether.
You might as well cut off your penis if the end-goal is to not continue your bloodline.

I think we disagree on what the solution to the problem is.
You seem to think it's adopting a nigger mentality and I'm saying we don't need to wage all out war on niggers or whoever, we just need to make ourselves better and be above the influence of the Jew... and maybe have ourselves a little purge one day.

You don't seem to grasp the long term effects of not doing anything except breeding, niggers have such a high birth rate that they will outnumber you greatly in several generations, there is no other solution to that then just removing them altogether, no matter how many white kids you have you won't match their pace

If we lead, our women will follow.
You know why our women are hell bent on importing sandniggers who don't give a shit what women think and make women dress and behave they way say is because we have become to weak and accommodating to lead our women ourselves.

Cut the nigger's welfare and he will not breed... or he will not survive.
If WW2 taught us anything it's that when all the good men of a nation die in a fight, even a righteous one, the future generations will suffer because they will be the offspring of the weak.
Looking at Germany specifically here, obviously.

Even if you stop bringing them in, they are already here, cutting them off welfare might just make even more of them start robbing and being criminals, they won't just die of hunger

>Tell me why not.
Because you can't come up with an answer to "why".

I can't either.

Skinheads and KKK types are an example of what I'm talking about, but not everyone in this group.

>why
Here, I'll post it for you again:
youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc

The welfare system in the states encourages and rewards illegitimacy and indiscriminate breeding. If we cut it off and they do chimp more, then they will either be incarcerated or force our hand and then we will have to react with force... but only then.

Did you watch the video?
Thoughts?

In my personal experience; both my parents are washouts who hate eachother with a passion
They move from one addiction to another and take out their detox interims on their children. They had me and my siblings at a young age and obviously regret it but pretend not to.

I just don't want to turn into them, so I'll stick to MGTOW until I can be bothered.

I'll stick to vidya and porn.

>sandniggers are the white womans next victims.

You FUCKING IDIOT! MGTOW is a MOVEMENT!

Us MEN are TIRED of being USED FOR FEMALE'S SICK SADISTIC DESIRES! I earn 30k A YEAR and I know any fucking women would just love to SPEND MY MONEY and fuck me TWICE and then CHEAT ON ME because im REALLY INSECURE!

MTGOW CHANGES THIS! Because instead of appealing to BITCHES AND SLUTS I get to appeal to MY FELLOW VIRGIN BROS ONLINE!

Get out of here you STINKING BETA MALE!

> you can't believe in evolution and not be a Nat Soc
Not true at all. Nowhere is this ever actually explained or proven. I have my own problems with fascism, but I don't feel like opening this can of worms.

What an odd point to single out (and misinterpret) from a 12 minute video given the topics at hand ITT.

Lincoln got shot dead by one of his fellow Americans and that was the end of him.

See, the problem with whatever fairy tale you want to live in is that in reality its manifestation is dependant on other people.

The "other people" in the traditional family fantasy are women, her social network and society as a whole with the government on top and its laws perforating every aspect of the former.
The vast majority of women nowadays, especially in the age bracket that's relevant for the traditional family, are trash. That's something that's completely out of your control.
If you find a woman that's not trash then you'll have to deal with her family and friends that could be trash that'll end up rubbing off on her eventually. Looking at how women nowadays can have a social network of thousands thanks to social media you're again dealing with something that's completely out of your control.
Sure, you could forbid her from using that social media but then, if she decides to use the no fault divorce laws (and looking at the divorce rate of 50% there's a good chance that she might) to take you to the cleaners she'll use this in her sob story so that you'll get fucked over extra hard, and they'll believe her because society as a whole rather believes and supports women than men. That's something that has a long history of evolutionary incentive and that's also completely out of your control.
Sure, you could just say that you're not going to give her half of your shit but then the government will just come and take it from you, because that government exists the way it exists right now thanks to women (they're the biggest and most easily swayed voting bloc after all) and will naturally put her interest above yours; after all you're just a man and can be easily replaced. That too is out of your control.

We're basically back at what I said earlier about how the only thing you can do is pretend that it ain't so and then risk these things anyway. But for what?

It's one of the central themes of the video. The implication is that logic/the scientific method results in the truth (true) and fascism (totally baseless) therefore the two of the same. If this isn't true, then fascism isn't an absolute good. It's also a trap. Pretty much everyone understands that evolution is reality, and only delusional creationists deny it, therefore this argument seeks to say that anyone who does not support fascism is illogical.

Not only is this point absolutely central to the video, it isn't misinterpreted. Nowhere does he ever prove this claim or supply any evidence, it's just supposed to be assumed by the viewer. This does nothing to convince anyone of fascism except for people who already support it (kind of like those 'proofs' of the existence of god).

Women want to be dominated. They want men to lead. They want men to be men. This is within our control.
We have to work on ourselves and our culture and the women will fall in line and stop demanding that we import the kind of men who will put them in their place... because they will already have strong men in their own countries.

Put down the porn and anime, read something worthwhile, carry yourself like a man, get a little cultured, lead and the women will follow.

Or, y'know, just do what's easy and comfortable and say "fuck this shit it's too hard" like the MGTOW/MRA movements advocate.

>Or, y'know, just do what's easy and comfortable and say "fuck this shit it's too hard" like the MGTOW/MRA movements advocate.
That's exactly what I'm doing, user. Not only because it's too hard, but because it's impossible (that's why all you have is this vague shit - dude just do it and then this'll happen for some reason lmao) and the reward isn't worth it.

THIS IS TRUTH YOU FUCKING BETA OP

First, you're falling for the trap of letting the opposition define the terms of the argument. Nowhere does Rockwell describe himself as a fascist... plenty of others do, but he never did.
"Fascism" then becomes this boogeyman term that means nothing, which is the way it is almost exclusively used today.

In the video when he says the thing about evolution and national socialism, it is as a juxtaposition between his ideology and Marxist communism. The point being that communists (and, by extension, all societies even somewhat influenced by communist thought) deny that humans are animals who are subject to evolutionary pressures and therefore begin from a false foundation and the only ideology that does not begin from this false foundation is nationalism.

As I said before, all your good genetic stock was killed off 80 years ago. You are proof of this. It is best that you don't breed. Now do us a favor and actually go your own way and don't contribute to the further destruction of your people by aiding in the corruption and defilement of your women.

MGTOW don't care about peoples opinions on how degenerate it is.

I'm a MGTOW because it's a rational position to take, considering all the facts and circumstance of modern western life.

mgtow seems pretty degenerate but so were all the sluts i slept with

>As I said before
Yeah, I've already read the part where you have to resort to persoal attacks because your argument is shit.

No amount of alpha LARPing is going to negate the damage that's been done to and by and for women, user.

Go on, explain how "putting down the porn and anime, reading something worthwhile, carrying ourselves like men, getting a little cultured" would remove the divorce laws, the welfare state and further women voting rights. Women have no incentive to be led by single men anymore when they have the entire government and thanks to that government essentially the entire world at their service.

Dude, I tried with you. I really did. I gave you actual arguments and all I got back was "but it's hard an' I can't"... so that last post is what you got back.
I think it's fair.

And, strong men will lead and form a strong society. If you feel helpless and think trying to take back your society is futile then you do not understand the nature of females and you are most likely too weak to do anything about it anyway... unless you put in the effort to better yourself and become the kind of man who can lead and change the world... which you absolutely could do if you tried.

You're an Austrian for fuck's sake. Act like a white man and stop this Jew shit.

Link to the post where you explain how "putting down the porn and anime, reading something worthwhile, carrying ourselves like men, getting a little cultured" would remove the divorce laws, the welfare state and further women voting rights.

here you go

ikr, BROFIST!!!!!!!

fucking autist

#MGTOW IS A FUCKING MOVEMANT MAN YOU CAN NEVER STOP THIS

That post doesn't explain that, user. We're back at you spouting some vague shit that sounds nice. I'm asking for specifics.

I've worked out why some people on Sup Forums hate MGTOWs.

Men compete with other men for women, you'd expect a rational man to enjoy the fact that a certain type of person opts out of LTR and marriage because it gives them less competition and more choice.

So it requires an explanation that some people get so irrationally angry at MGTOW and try their hardest to shame MGTOW into changing their behaviour.

I think these men are insecure. They base their self worth around providing for women so one will be their qt3.14 g/f, women are basically status items. When other men reject women it lowers the value of your status, you're no longer the cool guy with a g/f who everyone else wants to be, you're just a sap who's trapped under the thumb of a woman.

Look how mad people are in this thread, it's hilarious :)

Fucking change what you don't like. If you can't do it now, work on becoming a man who can. If there are enough like you, the laws and the culture will change because you and others will work for it... and women will eventually follow, it's what they do.

If there aren't enough of you to change it in your lifetime then it is your duty to search long and hard for a decent woman with whom you can have and raise the kind of children who can try again in the next generation.
Why be so shortsighted as to think that if something doesn't happen today, it can never happen? Just look at the jewification of the West... that took generations. It may take a few generations to fix it.

Or maybe some men are concerned with the health of their society. And you can't have a healthy society without a strong nuclear family. And the male feminists are advocating the further destruction of that basic social unit... throwing in the towel on their people... calling it quits... being lazy and selfish.

If you only think in terms of how much competition there is for pussy, then you have already lost sight of the real issue.