Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Did Marx believe the contradictions within society could remain unresolved for eternity?

The conflicting classes forever locked in struggle only ever resulting in their mutual destruction?

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>debunked ideology
Into the trash it goes.

>doesn't understand the "calculation problem"...

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Fucking commie scum.

Communists think that you can make people 'see the truth' and thus 'become good'. News flash. Everyone is born flawed and will die flawed. Nobody is good except Jesus.

kys nigger

>Cuba was once richer than Japan
Let that sink in comrades.
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This
Oh, and rope yourself faggot

>EDGY REDDITOR TEENAGER GENERAL
FTFY faggot

also
>saged

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Do you never get put of starting these threads? You have been keeping this up for several months nlw

Marx said: "Capitalism is its own grave-digger; its fall and the victory of the proletariat are alike inevitable."

Ironically despite the huge differences in wealth an average salary in Oslo will get you no further than an average salary in Kiev.

It's as if regardless of how much money you have, the wealthiest class will just stick together and price gouge whatever it is they're selling to squeeze about the same % of money from you.

Threadly reminder that /leftypol/ is trying extremely hard to shill and overtake 4/pol/ and turn it into a bunch of retarded commies.

Marx never held a job in his entire life. It's no surprise that he wants a system that enables leeching off the work of his fellow citizens.

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only a fool trusts the state more than himself

>Cuba was once richer than Japan
kek

Economic Calculation Problem.

Communism isn't even a good idea on paper.

Communism is stateless.

macs.hw.ac.uk/~greg/publications/ccm.IJUC07.pdf

Is Economic Planning Hypercomputational?

we have:

• questioned Murphy’s requirement that planning requires pre-knowledge
of all possible prices,
• argued that the domain of prices to which planning is applied is in principle
finite rather than infinite and that thus Cantor’s arguments are
inapplicable, or at worst prices are countable, and Cantor’s arguments
are applicable but irrelevant because there is no concievable requirement
that this domain be closed under diagonalisation,
• argued that planning over finite prices is tractable,
• shown that diagonalisation is not applicable to prices or commodities,
and
• discussed how infinite structures of predominantly zero values may be
given finite representations.
In conclusion we have shown that Murphy’s arguments are ill founded.
The computational feasibility of economic planning at a detailed level is an
issue that must be investigated in its own right, and cannot be settled by appeal
to Cantor. We have presented specific arguments that suggest that detailed
planning is indeed feasible

and communists are brainless

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C'mon don't be infantile.

I would argue that there is no need to pretend that the free market gives an accurate value of what your needs are worth. It just gives another attack vector for argumentative shitstains. It also wins over people who don't really like the free market but are skeptical towards communism. Why alienate any potential allies? They may not join our cause but keeping them out of the ranks of Antifa is good.

Also serfs weren't paid. Depending on where you were of course. Many places, serfs were taxed a flat rate and could keep the rest of their labour for themselves. Those of you who understand basic economics can now make an educated guess why German levies and militias marched out in fucking full plate armour, and Russian militias had to reforge their scythes just so they could have some sort of weapon. Guess which ones paid flat taxes and got to keep their surplus.

But that's just an argument that if you're not going to have a Free Market[tm] in the AnCap sense of the word, it's smart to let people keep their surplus and do cool shit. In other words, having a certain amount of freedom in your market is fucking good. Even if you live in a feudal society. Who would have thought.

Again, it's an attack vector for argumentative idiots, but it's one that works entirely for the advantage of people who are against communism.

I mean, the takedown of "historical determinism" is excellent, 10/10 arguments.

Just my 10 cents on how to improve it.

>don't be infantile
>posts communist anime

OP is a dirty uneducated peasant

And even so you have modern business intelligence that wishes to solve large parts of these problems.

The argument I would make is that this is great news for those sectors of the economy that is nationalized, such as the police, the military, and strategic resource extraction, etc. It theoretically allows us to squeeze more efficiency out of these sectors.

But the possibility of doing something in itself is not an argument for doing it.

You can't trust Credit Suisse.
They are the biggest Mountain Jews.

Fuck off this board you fucking Jewish commie cunts

The only good communist is a fucking dead one. I hope you all get lined up and skull fucked by the bourgeoisie you fucking degenerate kike pleb