Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Farewell and adieu to you Spanish ladies.

Why are you using capitalist made devices to post these thread?

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Communism doesn't work

GET

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JOB

SCIENTIFIC-TECHNOLOGICAL ACHIEVEMENTS USSR:
SPACE :
Tata Sky Development System (direct broadcast satellite)
Prime spacesuit, CH-1 (1931)
First multistage rocket (1947)
Creating the staged combustion (1949)
First spaceport, Baikonur Cosmodrome (1957)
First orbiting satellite, Sputnik 1 (1957)
First living being in orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2 (1957)
First man-made object to leave the Earth's orbit, Luna 1 (1959)
First telemetry communication to and from off the ground, Luna 1 (1959)
First object to pass near the moon, and the first object in solar orbit Luna 1 (1959)
First satellite hit the moon, Luna 2 (1959)
First images of the dark side of the moon, Luna 3 (1959)
First satellite to be launched to Mars, Marsnik 1 (1960)
First rocket boots (1960)
Creating space food (1961)
First satellite to Venus, Venera 1 (1961)
First person to enter orbit around the Earth, Yuri Gagarin in Vostok 1 (1961)
First person to spend one day in orbit, Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (1961)
First double flight, manned Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 (1962)
First probe on Mars, Mars 1 (1962) made the first pictures of Mars from space

First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6 (1963)
Multitripulado first flight (3 persons), Voskhod 1 (1964)
First spacewalk EVA, by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2 (1965)
First probe to hit another planet Venus, Venera 3 (1965)
First probe landing on the moon and transmitted from there, Luna 9 (1966)
First probe into lunar orbit, Luna 10 (1966)
Creation of the Soviet Soyuz spacecraft model (1967), which is the only way that NASA and ESA send astronauts into space
First space bathroom (1967)
First meeting and unmanned docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188 (1967) until 2006 this feat was not mimicked by the USA
Close coupling and exchange of crew in orbit, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 (1969)
First extraterrestrial samples returned by Luna 16 (1970)
First robot on a celestial body, Lunokhod 1 (1970)
First probe to Venus, Venera 7 (1970)
First data received from a probe on another planet (Venus), Venera 7 (1970)
First space station, Salyut 1 (1971)
First satellite to orbit Mars and make a descent, Mars 2 (1971)
Second robot on a celestial body, Lunokhod 2 (1973) and with the Lunokhod 1 is the only automated mobile laboratories that have explored the Moon guided by remote control until
First satellite to orbit Venus and send data back to Earth Venera 9 (1975)

Why do communists still take the labor theory of value seriously?

Creation of the coupling mechanism and docking of spacecraft, Androgynous Peripheral Attach System (1975)
Creating space shuttle Buran (1976), which can carry 30 tons (USA model only 25), return flights with load of 20 tons (USA only 15), with a support rate of 6.5 (compared to 5.5 of the USA model), its auxiliary maneuvering system rockets and use oxygen and kerosene fuel instead of solid (like the USA) and gives better performance. Besides the Buran shuttle could make unmanned missions (USA can't), with ejection seats (the USA model does not have) considered the safest and most effective of the history and design more effective and resilient thermal tiles that USA version
Creating the world's most powerful rocket: Energy (1976), capable of carrying 100 tons
First Spaceship supply unmanned, Progress (1978)
First radio telescope (1979)
First woman to walk in space , Svetlana Savitskaja in Salyut 7 (1984)
First shuttle in orbit to Earth independently, Buran (1984)
First multi module space station: Salyut 7 and Kosmos 1686 (TKS-4) (1985)
First crew to visit two space stations, Mir and Salyut 7 (1986) aboard Soyuz T-15
First permanent space station to orbit Earth, Mir (1986)
First crew to spend over a year on Mir, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov (1987)

PHYSICS :
First nuclear power plant, Obninsk (1954)
Development of the largest thermonuclear experimental facility in the world, Tokamak 10, prototype of a thermonuclear reactor
Invention of the Tzar Bomb, the most powerful nuclear bomb in history (100 Mt) whose power was reduced for environmental reasons (50-57 Mt). Comparison to USA bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki 15 Mt
Invention of nuclear fusion
Invention of the Tokamak (1956), aiming to provide apparatus fusion plasma particle
Invention of the first nuclear icebreaker "LENIN" world's first nuclear-powered (1952)
Invention of particle accelerator microtron (1944)
Invention synchrotron particle accelerator (1957)
Invention of the electron paramagnetic resonance spectroscopy (1944)
First fast neutron reactor, BN350 (1955)
Creation pipeline longest history, Druzhba (1964)
First nuclear desalination reactor, BN-350 (1972)
First reflectron (1973)
Creating the largest geotechnical probe history, Kola Well (1970)
Creating BARS Press (1989)

>Why are you using feudal made devices to overthrow your landlords?
You realise your remark is stupid, right?

ELECTRONICS:
Invention of the LED (Oleg Vladimirovich, 1927)
Invention of vibratory exercise equipment (1960)
Perfecting maser, Basov and Aleksandr Prokhorov Nikolai
Lomography Invention (1982)
First lie detector device, by Alexander Romanovich Luria
Creating underwater welding, Konstantin Khrenov (1932)
First reflector telescope, the Maksutov (1941)
First laser microphone (1947)
Creating the magnetotelluric (1950)
Discovery of the Belousov-Zhabotinski Reaction (1951)
Creation explosive compression generator pumped flow (1951)
Creating 3D holography (1962)
First microwave oven (1941)
First radio antenna

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MEDICINE:
Invention of therapies against infectious diseases that were based on bacteriophage virus (1940)
Early surgical treatment of congenital heart disease, by pioneering Bukulev Alexander (1948)
Creation of Objective Psychology, by neurologist Vladimir Bekhterev, also known for pointing out the role of the hippocampus in memory, his study of reflexes, and Bekhterev's disease
First successful cornea transplant in 1931, by Vladimir Filatov, who developed tissue therapy
Creating radial keratotomy by Svyatoslav Nikolayevich Fyodorov
Creating the Ilizarov apparatus for lengthening limb bones and for the Ilizarov Surgery (1951) by Gavriil Abramovich Ilizarov
Creating cultural-historical psychology, psychological activity theory and method of "combined power", by Alexander Romanovich Luria
Enlarge criteria for the diagnosis of schizophrenia with the distinction between negative and positive symptoms, a key research and classification of schizophrenia concept, Andrei Snezhnevsky
First cardiac surgery under local anesthesia, Alexander Vishnevsky, 1953
Foundation of purulent surgery, Archbishop Luka Voyno-Yasenetsky, Stalin Prize, Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1946.
Discovery of Cherenkov Effect (Pavel Cherenkov Alekseyecih)
First artificial organ transplant
First transfusion of blood from a corpse, Sergei Yudin, 1929.
First blood bank. Created by Sergei Yudin in early 1930. Middle of that same year, the USSR would have 65 large blood donation centers and more than 500 branches.
Creation of painless childbirth (under anesthesia)
Creating Gramicina S (1942)
First head transplant with full brain function (1950)
Creating anthropometric cosmetology (1952)
Creating radial keratotomy (1974)
Discovery of Vitamins
Discovery of the virus
First acoustic microscope (1959)

hold the fuckken phone, are you suggesting that the USSR is an example of communism?

You cunt, I don't wanna hear "not real communism" ever again you faggot

COMPUTERS:
First programmable computer MESM (1950)
First Soviet and European electronic computers , BESM (Sergey Lebedev, 1951) and MESM (Sergey Lebedev , 1958)
First computer with ternary logic (faster and more reliable than the binary system), Setun (Nikolai Brusentsov, 1958) and model development Setun-70 (Nikolai Brusentsov, 1970) which further reinforced the aspect of programming, improving to by a factor 5 software development over other architectures time
oundation of the employed physics simulation techniques that nowadays are commonly applied to animation films and computer games.("Kitty" animation 1968)
First personal computer, MIR (Victor Glushkov, 1965)
First computer-aided education system in history (Nastavnik), with a clear reference to the current
First superscalar computer (processor microarchitecture capable of executing more than one instruction per clock cycle), Elbrus-1 (Boris Babaian, 1970). The use of this equipment in 1978, ten years before commercial applications appeared in the West, the Soviet Union developed its missile systems and nuclear and space programs.
Foundation of cybernetics (Victor Glushkov)
Invention of Tetris (Alexey Pajitnov, 1984)
Invention of the FAR file manager, RAR and WinRAR format file (Eugene Roshal)
First mobile phone, Leonid Ivanovich Kupriyanovich (1955), which was copied by the USA in 1970 and Finland in 1980 gave him a civil use with Nokia.

>hold the fuckken phone, are you suggesting that the USSR is an example of communism?
He is, and that is utterly stupid.

MILITARY:
First multiple rocket launcher, the Katyusha rocket launcher (1939)
Creating the largest and most powerful in the world single-rotor helicopter, the Mil Mi-26 (1981)
Creating the Sikorsky S -64 Skycrane, able to lift more cargo than any other in history
Ekranoplano Creation (1950), similar to an airplane that uses the influence of the "ground effect" over the sea to just not consume fuel and carry 500 tons.
Creating the world's largest aircraft, capable of carrying 225 tonnes, the Antonov 225 (1980)
First telemechanical plane
First supersonic passenger plane, TU-144
First (and only) aircraft powered by a nuclear reactor, TU- 119
First (and only) space fighter aircraft built, the MIG-105, capable of knocking launchers , missiles and enemy satellites in space and back.
Creating the MIG-25 fighter jet with absolute altitude record (37.650 m), rise time from 0 to 30 km (3 min 10 s), speed circuit 500 km (2981.5 km/h)
First (and only) seaplane world operating reactors, Beriev BE-200
First ship to explore the North Pole, NS Arktika (1972)
Creating the most produced biplane in history, the Polikarpov Po-2 (1927)
Creating the Ilyushin Il-2, the most produced aircraft in history.
First hydrofoil, Raketa (1957)
First ship missile, Komar (1959)
Creating faster and able to dive deeper in history (1300 m), the Alpha class nuclear submarine. I just needed a crew of 27 people (compared to the 110 that need an american model, Los Angeles) as it was very automated.

USSR was socialist state with a communist party not communism

Creating the largest submarine in history, the Typhoon class, only in carry 5 helmets (which makes it support several torpedo hits before being knocked out) and unique history in bringing certain luxuries like individual cabin, gym, pool, sauna, lounges, etc.
First tank with composite armor, the first to incorporate an autoloader, first tank missile launch: T64
First military robot; the Tt -26 ( 1949), a remote controlled tanks to minimize human casualties; equipped with DT machine guns, flamethrowers, smoke grenades and sometimes with a bomb between 200-700 kg which was released near the refuge to destroy enemy bunkers up to four levels underground. Was also trained to carry chemical weapons, but not used for safety and environmentalism.
First flamethrower tank in history, KHT-26 (1931)
First tank with wings, Antonov A-40 (1942)
Creating the best and most produced tank of World War II: T-34 (1940)
Creating the most produced tank in history, T-54/55 (1945)
Close reactive armor (1960)
Close reactive armor capable of protecting against APFSDS ammunition (armor piercing), 1985
First infantry fighting vehicle in history (BMP-1 created in 1961) in addition to NBC protection, anti-tank, amphibious capability and launchable parachute with a 73 mm cannon, anti-tank missile launcher and 3 PKT machine guns. It was badly copied in 1980 (20 years later) by the USA, to get their first IFV, giving birth to the M2/M3 Bradley. It was 16.5 tons heavier than its counterpart BMP-1 with less crew and with a much smaller (and without missile capability) cannon.
First paratroopers forces with military use of history in 1930, being also fully mechanized his paratroopers with BMD (launchable parachute). USA still has not an IFV support their paratroopers.
First aerial firefighters (1936)
First modern assault rifle, the AK-47 (1947)
First torpedo remote control glider, PSN-1
First torpedo reaction, PRAB-203
First supercavitating torpedo, VA -111 Shkval
First airship missile

First intercontinental missile (R-7 Semyorka, 1957)
First anti-ballistic missile (1961)
First intercontinental missile submarine, Vysota R-29 (1969) Creating multi-rocket engine chamber world's most powerful liquid fuel, RD-170 (1987)
Creating infrared serving RKKA
First drogue parachute (1937)
Creating Sambo Martial Art by Anatoly Kharlampiev (1938)
First underwater assault rifle, the APS (1975)
Creating the Active Protection System, Drozd (1978)
First bathyscaphe, Mir (1987). First to explore the seabed under the North Pole
First performed the maneuver "Cobra Pugavhev" in 1989
First ramjet engine, R-3 (1939)
Aerowagon creation (1917) pioneered Schienenzeppelin German, the M-497 Black Beetle USA and Soviet turbojet train
First snowmobile history, RF-8, based on the pre-Soviet prototype Aerosani
First antisatellite weapon (1960)

There is no cognitive dissonance among communists, only blatant lying to further their stupid cause.
you fucks are hypocrates, you know it and you don't care because you have no virtue.

communists aren't people!

ART:
Creation of the polyphonic or contrapuntal, metric, rhythmic, harmonic, melodic assembly. Previous conceptual audiovisual modalities, including video and clip, by Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein
Invention of xerography
Creation of chroma
Kinopanorama Invention (1956)
SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENTS :
First and totally FREE public education system, which achieved the highest rates of literacy in history in the 15 Soviet republics. Moreover, Soviet schools offered free food for students, so the work-life balance is made much easier than today in the capitalist countries. Even kindergartens were also free.
First FREE and universal health care system, which increased the life expectancy of the Soviets, less than 40 years in 1917, to reach Western levels in 80 (70 years). The achievements of hunger eradication and health systems can also compare with the average height of the Soviets in 1917 (1,60 m) to 1980 (1,80 m). This health system discovered painless childbirth and performed the first organ transplant.
Between 1945 and 1964, the Soviet national income grew by 570%, compared to 55% in the USA (and remember that the USSR was not a Marshal Plan to help the country)
Invention of evening studies so that workers could build careers.
First country in history where abortion was legal and free (since 1920)
First country in history to achieve an unemployment rate at 0%
Equality policies, one of the first countries to adopt women's suffrage
First woman in history to hold a position in a government (Aleksandra Kollontai)

Why don't you? Do you know what it is?

Wrong assumption.

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It's the idea that the value of a product is connected to the socially necessary labor involved in creating it, and I haven't seen any good arguments as to why that should be the case.

you've been caught faggot, you're incapable of admitting it. care to refute?

OK, OK, I got it, STOP. What the hell. Do you know that all of this is lost now? "Thanks" to communists who converted to capitalism.

1) Socialism is a phase of communism, not a distinct mode of production.
2) The USSR was never a upper-stage communist society, nor a socialist one.
3) The USSR started as a mostly feudal society and then evolved to plain capitalism.
4) The USSR was indeed ruled by a communist… in the early 1920's! After that, the state became plain bourgeois (infrastructure shapes the superstructure, remember?).

Bring back soviet union then

(1) Soviet society was indeed socialist.
(2) This society had many undesirable and problematic features.
(3) The problems of Soviet society were in part related to the extremely difficult
historical circumstances in which the Bolsheviks set about trying
to build socialism, but that is not all: important policy mistakes were
made (just as possible in a socialist society as in capitalism), and furthermore
the problems of Soviet socialism in part reflect serious weaknesses
in classical Marxism itself.
(4) The failure of the Soviet system is therefore by no means irrelevant to
Marxian socialism. We must reflect carefully on the lessons to be learned
from this failure.
(5) Nonetheless, unlike those who delight in proclaiming the complete historic
rout of Marxism, we believe that a different type of socialism—still recognizably
Marxian, yet substantially reformulated—is possible. The Soviet
Union was socialist, but other forms of Marxian socialism are possible.
(6) This claim can be sustained only by spelling out in much more detail than
hitherto both the sorts of economic mechanisms and the forms of political
constitution which socialists consider both desirable and feasible.

elconfidencial.com/espana/2017-02-18/valla-rabat-marruecos-inmigrantes-salto-ceuta_1334042/

Fellow "working" class negros (in english so it's more offensive)trying to save us from this capitalist nightmare we live in

GO FUCK YOURSELF DICKHEAD

Soviet socialism, particularly following the introduction of the first five-year
plan under Stalin in the late 1920s, introduced a new and non-capitalist mode of
extraction of a surplus. This is somewhat obscured by the fact that workers were
still paid ruble wages, and that money continued in use as a unit of account in
the planned industries, but the social content of these ‘monetary forms’ changed
drastically. Under Soviet planning, the division between the necessary and
surplus portions of the social product was the result of political decisions.

Undialectical.

We should definitely start hanging priests. Russian Orthodox Church used loophole in laws to occupy Sain Isaac's Cathedral and transform it into another fucking church, THOUSANDS OF THEM!

why are you posting this daily? your kind is not welcome here

>Soviet society was indeed socialist.
Not it wasn't. The economy was entirely based on trade. In other words: it was capitalist.

>Under Soviet planning, the division between the necessary and surplus portions of the social product was the result of political decisions.
Yeah, that's probably why the completed the first five-year "plan" in… four years?

I'll fuck you commies up when I see you.

Remember comrades, the imperialists use fake news to revise successful communist history.

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>that O*setian SCUM who gave our lands to our neighbours for FREE
kys you jew loving faggot

Being the product of human labour is the only common trait of every commodity.

Don't you get bored of posting this thread and having people make fun of you every time? You would honestly have more luck with this shit if you went to a left-leaning forum. Its like trying to build a basketball team in a north Korean elderly care facility.

>The most common mistake of Stalin’s opponents was to underestimate how exceptionally well read he was. That he was erudite we now know from the remnants of his library of 20,000 volumes, from the slips of paper and letters in which he asked for books, and from the recollections of those who knew him in his early years. What the seminary did not make its pupils read, it banned them from reading, thus stimulating the trainee priests to read even more. In 1910 the Tsarist secret police observed the exiled Stalin visiting the library in Vologda seventeen times in 107 days. By the time Stalin was thirty he had read quantities of classical, Western, and Russian literature, philosophy, and political theory. In four years’ exile, from 1913 to 1917, in the Siberian wilderness—unsociable, uncommunicative—Stalin read whatever he could scrounge from fellow exiles. Even in the chaos of revolution and the pursuit of power, he read. He read all Russian émigré periodicals from the 1920s to his death.
>With never-flagging curiosity he [Trotsky] listened to the harrowing tales of wartime refugees, Belgian, French, and Serbian, and filled his notebooks with their stories. Back in Paris, he would read some twenty European newspapers a day at the Café Rotonde, where Martov could be found at almost any time of the day. From the Rotonde he rushed to a library to study serious military periodicals and literature, French, English, Italian, German, Austrian, and Swiss. In these journeys and studies he found relaxation and refreshment; and they also prepared him for a great job ahead.

The same old Spanish guy....you've got to be kidding me....

Looking through the list of "communist firsts" is hilarious, 90% is pointless bullshit, the rest is probably mostly stolen from western research through spying, or just straight up lies, ak47 first assault rifle? bitch plz XD

Communism has almost no development because there are no entrepreneurs. It's all done by state decree, so when they say we want tanks and planes that can do XYZ they can sorta keep up but all other development just slows to a crawl, cause fucking around trying new things will not help you fill the latest 5 year plan and thus most likely land you a nice spot in a gulag.

So? How does that fact affect the value of the commodity?

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It IS the value of the commodity. In order to compare two completely different things you need a quantifiable trait common to them both.

>same shitty autistic images every fucking day
at least post something new you stupid faggot

Nope. The value of the commodity is the subjective importance a person places on it, unrelated to the amount of labor that went into producing it.

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Thank you comrade for creating and actively attempting to break this ideological trashcan of reactionaries.
I stopped making these kind of threads already on 2012 but you have inspired me to wear the red sleeve even on this board.

Do you think that entryism is a viable tactic at this point?

>The value of the commodity is the subjective importance a person places on it
That is just a way to say: "value does not exist".

I'm not sure if you are being ironic here.

get the fuck outta here

But evidently it does, because trade happens. How could people trade if they couldn't make (subjective) determinations of value?

>reddit

You don`t belong here.

Allow me to rephrase:

That is just a way to say: "commodities do not have a quantifiable trait, independent from who is looking at them, that we could call value".

And that would be correct.

But evidently it does, because trade happens.

>Spanish user
>muh gommunism

Franco didn't do a good job apparently

ALl men are not created equal. Some are born swifter of foot, some with greater beauty. Some are born into poverty and others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and in upbringing in sheer scope of ability every human is inherently different. Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition, and the unfaultering mark of progress. Inequality is not wrong, equality is. ALL HAIL BRITAINIA.

History has shown that communism never works, same goes for the extreme on the right, complete free market capitalism.

That's subjective value. You're speaking of objective value. One exists, the other doesn't.

Socially necessary labour time does not exist?

NO its you and your stupid "comrades" who don't belong here you subhuman faggots
back to /leftypol/

You are welcome comrade, it's both fun and didactic , it is interesting to know the enemy.

>Do you think that entryism is a viable tactic at this point?

What we need is a new vanguard party.

It does, but it has no influence on the value of a commodity.

>What we need is a new vanguard party.

In the United States. The rest of the world would follow.

>muh safe space

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If I inspired even one of my comrades then is completely worth the effort.

>It does
It is, by definition, what you just called "objective value".

It doesn't have any influence on what you have called "subjective value" indeed, but Marxism does not assume it does anyway.

You still here? why don't sage and hide?

But that's not value, that's cost. Of course you can make a calculation to determine the average cost of producing a given commodity, but I don't see what that would tell you about the value it has for anyone.

Holy shit OP, this thread is the definition of tl;dr

At first I hated you. But as the days go by I feel sorry for you. This is so sad. Tell me you have friends OP. This isn't your life right?

>Arguing about terms.
So apart from not using the same words you would have, what is the problem with the LTV?

it's honestly just funny at this stage.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yeah... your communism didn't invent the internet, so stop appropriating capitalist culture you red piece of shit and GTFO... communism will never ever happen again in this world.

We will use the internet to liquidate the bourgeoisie.

>It is, by definition, what you just called "objective value"
This is circular reasoning. You're attempting to justify LTV as an accurate determinate of value by citing the LTV as the definition of value.

In reality the LTV is debunked by the fact that current goods have more than future goods of the same quantity.

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Its inability to explain how market prices are formed makes it useless as an economic theory.

>come here to see if anybody is actually talking about communism
>it's just some autists copy pasta
Well, I can't say I'm surprised.

On the contrary, it explains it pretty well.

"It's subjective anyway", on the other hand…

>raids
>people call him out on raiding
>DRUMPFY WANT A SAFE SPACE?

>You're attempting to justify LTV as an accurate determinate of value
No. The other user and I did not agree on the very existence of value, let alone its determination.

>In reality the LTV is debunked by the fact that current goods have more than future goods of the same quantity.
Could you rephrase? I don't get what you are saying.

They're not capitalist made, they're made by workers you dip.

hey look the spic commie is still here.

How's it going