Tell me about David Irving.
A much-respected academic who had his career destroyed for questioning the official narrative of the holocaust.
Was his argument ever refuted point by point?
David Irving
Carson Moore
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William Barnes
yeah, obviously. Sup Forums and their holocaust denial are like creationists. You question why no one is "teaching the controversy" and think that it must be jewish tricks, when really the reason is because there isn't a controversy.
Fields like history or science are fact-based, you can't just spew whatever bullshit you want and ignore reality like in sociology or gender studies.
Caleb Clark
I've only ever glanced at the holocaust denial threads but they seem to make some good points about the lack of facts.
I've also seen some documentaries about the holocaust and it seemed like emotional argument after emotional argument with no facts to back it up.
Any books you could recommend that would clear this matter up? I really only care about the truth.
Andrew Turner
no he was just smeared. and they're still smearing him i.e Denial. He wasn't a holocaust denier but a holocaust revisionist.
Liam Young
It happened but no where near on the scale some say. That amount is absolute bullshit.
Austin Rivera
>you can't just spew whatever bullshit you want and ignore reality
Really?
Luis Moore
Irving does not deny that millions of Jews were murdered on the Eastern front because that is documented and provable. He points out the absurdity of the logisitics involved in gassing millions of people at Auschwitz and disposing of the bodies. I'm wondering if anyone has actually explained the logisitics of the official holocaust narrative.
Adrian Green
He does admit the credibility of millions being killed especially in the east, just not in the way it's told and not in any gas chambers.
Grayson Thompson
yeah the main revisionist argument is about 200,000 to 300,000 jews killed, a lot from outbreaks of typhus in the camps (that's why some were burned, trying to stop spread of infection). You'd also have to look at how the Jews fucked over the Germans in the first World War I.E. the Balfor Agreement, and how Hitler agreed for all Jews in Germany to leave peacefully to Israel (or as it was known then Judea) i.e the Haavara Agreement. Also about 150,000 Jews fought for Hitler in WW2, just read Hitler's Jewish Soldiers by Mark Rigg.
Liam Reed
I heard that in "Churchill's War" he claimed that Churchill got bribed by some rich jews. I'm wondering if he shows evidence in his work.
Ethan Barnes
>All death camps were in eastern Europe.
>Only revealed after the Russians expanded into Nazi territory
The holocaust was a semi false flag, semi "eliminate all western Jewish tribes" that the Soviet Jews committed to frame the Nazis at the same time and set the course for anti nationalism in Europe, and protected rights and priveledges for them and their promised land.
The holocaust happened, it wasn't as harsh as claimed, and it wasn't necessarily the people who the Jews say it is.
Justin Edwards
Didn't he also question the six million number?
Adrian Collins
It's called the balfour declaration
Zachary James
Yes. But in the latest lectures he concluded it's possible the real number to be close to that. Mostly death squads in the east whose numbers were ordered to be reported to Himmler. Most deaths in camps were typhus and natural causes (if you can call it natural, being in a slave camp).
He thinks Himmler was the one ordering most of the nasty stuff while Hitler tried to be more moderate or sometimes he was just kept in the dark about much of what was going on.
Bentley Anderson
Newfags please calm your tits and get some real redpills
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Aiden Jackson
Whoa it is almost funny.
Jacob Bailey
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Adam Lewis
YT David Irving Himmler, around 40 minutes to an hour in he makes a few remarks about the holocaust and Himmler that speak volumes, a lot of dates, names and evidence named all within a short time considering the lecture but it's really interesting as he clearly says (without saying it): "folks, I'd love to talk about this more but I'm not allowed".
Austin Scott
dem 88 dubz tho
Sebastian Gonzalez
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Jayden Watson
Balfour Decleration was in 1917.
The group was called Focus.
Owen Lopez
>The joos staged the deaths of millions of other jooz and everybody in the world believes it except for a few hyper intelligent enlightened individuals such as me
This is what you faggots sound like. Holocaust denial is completely fucking retarded.
Chase Hall
No one believes that.
Kevin Rivera
This one is insane.
Angel Perry
>t. r/the_Donald
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James Wilson
David Irving is a hack who was utterly demolished during the Lipstadt trial.
phdn.org
This report was written by historian Richard Evans that goes through Irving's work and shows that he falsified history, misused statistics and misquoted people in order to further his political agenda.
Tyler Robinson
>six million died in the holocaust
>actually five million died in the holocaust
>new research has surfaced, it was four million
>our mistake, it was three million
>okay but seriously this time it was two million
>historical evidence suggests it was just under a million
>six million died in the holocaust
Levi Thomas
en.wikipedia.org
He was a Historian at the beginning of his career. Although it was remarked by several of his peers that he even in the beginning, had a bias towards the Germans.
However, he then began prostituting out his credibility to holocaust deniers. And changed from a questioner to a denier, claiming Hitler had no knowledge of the camps, and if he did, that he opposed it.
He got called out on it. Brought a libel action against another historian for calling him out on his bullshit, and got rekt in court.
He's a dumbass. A clever dumbass. But a dumbass nonetheless.
Cameron Phillips
>SS ate human flesh.
Yes sure like the Templar at Crusades times.
A bunch off bullshit.
Ian Barnes
You just fell for typical fake media propaganda
Asher Ross
claiming someone got "rek'd" and calling him a dumbass ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. I don't think 6 million Jews died in the holocaust either...am i also a dumbass? Would you rek me in a debate on the facts? I think not.
Jose Hill
A link to a PDF copy of 'Lying for Hitler', a book written after Irving's trial.
Connor White
>you can't just spew whatever bullshit you want and ignore reality
you mean like the jews?
Adrian Rivera
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David Perez
Well Memed.
>Get your reputation completely destroyed in a Libel lawsuit you yourself brought.
>Not getting rekt.
He wanted a public platform and he got it.
Turns out that it was gallows of his own making instead.
Dominic Cook
Here are some materials for debunking holocaust denial.
Christian Bell
What's interesting to me, is the total bullshit you see when actual historians discuss the topic.
reddit.com
>I was just wondering if the removal of that concept of "nationless culture/race" would have been considered a solution for nazis, instead of eradication.
The answer?
No, the Nazi's never wanted to relocate anyway and the Jewish conspiracy is a trope. English soldiers never sang anti-semetic marching songs, Jewish bankers didn't push England into WWII, Jews dindunuffin.
Kayden Hill
Mason Long
I can really get behind this. It's pretty obvious from how hard they milk it that that Holocaust was a wellspring of political capital for Zionists and anti-nationalists, while also serving as a phenomenal excuse to forever stifle any critique of the Jewish people and their business/political interests.
To that end, the theatrics about just how horrific the Holocaust was always seemed a little harsh to my ears, to the point of feeling a little too much like fiction.
I don't doubt that the discrimination, asset seizure, or concentration camps existed, I just think that the deaths were largely collateral and much lower in number than the official story would have you believe.
Levi Brown
Thing is though, you don't really need to debunk denial.
Testimony from the German soldiers who facilitated it is quite enough, as well as the myriad of official documents.
That is of course if you reject anything other than the German based evidence.
Its like flat earth bullshit. Nobody really believes it, they just like riling up people who are bothered by historical inaccuracy.
Eli Adams
Pretty cool guy. His arguments make sense. Typhus and shit.
Thomas Allen
>I just think that the deaths were largely collateral and much lower in number than the official story would have you believe.
How do you square that with the German testimonies and official documents proving they did it intentionally?
James Foster
Thanks for the laughs ausbro
Aiden Adams
Appropriate digits
Lucas Perez
> German testimonies and official documents proving they did it intentionally?
Would like to see that
No problem
Dylan Martin
In France you could be sued for such a post
Jose Roberts
currently reading his Goebbels biography. He's a great historian. He includes every single detail in his books, hence why they're so long. He definitely has a greater knowledge of the Third Reich than just about anybody. To discount his entire body of work just because he doesn't agree with kosher historians on the holohoax isn't fair at all. Most Nazi books are complete trash because its all "Evil Evil Evil!!!!" and nothing else. His books are interesting and well written. Everyone here should read at least one of his books. Here's a link to his website. He has all of his work stored on PDFs for free and sells physical copies of his book from his own publishing house. Happy reading. I personally recommend Trail of the Fox and Churchill's War
Andrew Rogers
TELL ME ABOUT IRVING
WHY DOES HE DENY THE 6 BILLION?
Jeremiah Thompson
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Dylan Wright
Michael Sullivan
>Would like to see that
Then go look it up.
fcit.usf.edu
Noah Taylor
Just wait until Marine is president...
Jose Price
thanks
Owen Russell
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We literally have a recording of Himmler admitting it.
Jaxson Perry
Here's one to add to the collection
Colton King
Letter from SS-Sturmbannf�hrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler estimating the number of corpses that can be disposed off in 24 hours in the Auschwitz crematoriums, June 25 1943.
Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers - J.C Pressac, the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 247:
1.) Crematorium I
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3 x 2 muffles 340 persons
2.) Crematorium II
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5 x 3 muffles 1440 persons
3.) Crematorium III
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5 x 3 muffles 1440 persons
4.) Crematorium IV
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8 muffles 768 persons
5.) Crematorium V
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8 muffles 768 persons
This was debunked a long time ago tho
Jordan Rodriguez
>added
Landon Jones
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9/11 didn't happen.
Matthew Morgan
Nice. Do you have the one where they talk about the machines that masturbated them to death? Might have it somewhere, but can't find atm.
Samuel Campbell
I too am intersted
Jaxson Nguyen
>This was debunked a long time ago tho
Proof?
No problem.
Adrian Cook
Manfred Gerner has mentioned the ridiculous mistake in the address field concerning the rank of SS-Brigadeführer Dr.-Ing. Hans Kammler in that "document".
There were two different ranks for a SS-Brigadeführer within the SS or the SD and the Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo, = Security Police) or the Ordungspolizei:
a) SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS (SS-Brigadeführer and Major General of the Waffen-SS) and
b) SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei (SS-Brigadeführer and Major General of the Police)
That "document" is the only one, in which this distinction is not made:
SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor [sic!] Dr.-Ing. Kammler
The forger either wasn't aware of that undispensable detail or he had no interest to make his fabrication a convincing one (e.g. if he were a former member of the Zentralbauleitung, who was forced to assist the forgers in manufacturing their fake "documents").
Moreover this "document" was intended to be made look like it was dictated by SS-Untersturmführer Janisch (that's why the abbreviation Ja shows up in the file number), but the forgers again weren't successful: They added a full stop after those two letters. What a pity that there is no single authentic letter in the Moscow archives with such a full stop, but 50 without it.
There isn't one single real document from this period of time either, which was typed by a typist with the abbreviation Ne. for Janisch, but 49 were typed by L. and another one by Lm.
And last, but not least, the forger made another grave mistake with the file-number of that fake "document": 31550/Ja./Ne.
As mentioned before, he added a full-stop after Ja, but he omitted the year after the file number. It should have been: 31550/43/Ja/Ne.
They do say, you have to take in consideration quite a lot of details, if you want to be a successful forger!
Chase Parker
>Its a forgery.
Sure buddy.
Zachary Taylor
Oy vey how did all these brave souls survive the gas chambers?
I like the kike who was mad that his father's cigar factory was converted to the war effort. All those lost shekels!
Ayden Reed
so we are clear, gas chambers are a lie and that is the whole holohoax, so holocaust didn't happen. there were internment camps, just like everywhere else.
Anthony Turner
Agreed buddy
Cooper Russell
You will be surprised when you hear about the SS riding bicycles races inside the gas chanber
Eli Perez
Why is the "playing with hares" passage not highlighted too? That one is hilarious
Andrew Hall
theres a lot of bullshit in that first link.
>still trying to maintain that this building was ever a gas chamber.
Wyatt King
>he said not giving any counter refutations
WW 2 was pretty famous for forgeries and informational war, especially with the Soviets. Sorry if that bothers your worldview about meme documents you've seen.
Evan Rogers
Richard Evans is anti-German shill whose entire life work has been to pain the German people as rotten to the core.
Everyone -- even historians -- has an agenda. No one is infallible.
Ryder Mitchell
>Implying there is a refutation TO counter.
Kek I love you guys.
Go prove it to the thousands of historians who agree that it was intentional.
I for one am going to take the word of historians, victims, and the admission of guilt by the German soldiers who facilitated it instead of some random guy on Sup Forums.
Joseph King
>Evans
Zachary Harris
HA HA just saw it. Sounds like a childs game gone grown up
Its a K98 but not a german k98. Its a polack with a polish k98 type
Lincoln Turner
Kek, yeah. Same with explaining the olympic pool.
Adrian Carter
>I for one am going to take the word of historians
Liberal academics
>victims
Commonly refuted
>and the admission of guilt by the German soldiers who facilitated
Forced admissions of guilt are always a good source of unbiased information
Isaiah Miller
Galileo Galilei anyone?
Grayson Butler
lol JIDF playing off the same script
Robert Scott
the jew at work
"This translation of the German text seems controversial to me, as do the scare quotes in the word 'Judenevakuierung', which don't appear in the text by the Nizkor project. As far as I can see, Himmler could be speaking of the massive deportation of the Jews. The word 'Ausrottung' is given as an explanation of 'Evakuierung'. Besides, Himmler states that all members of the party know of it and that it is in the party program. But the extermination of the Jews was not in that program and surely not all party members knew of the extermination of the Jews. When he says 'we HAD the moral right to kill those people, that wanted to kill us', he may be referring to the group of Jews already killed as saboteurs, which he mentions earlier, Surely, if he were speaking of a current action, he'd have used a present tense: 'we have the moral right'. The question he wishes to address openly there but that must be kept secret for the rest is perhaps not the question of the Jews but the fact that some SS-members had stolen goods from arrested Jews. This is suggested by the comparison to June 30, where members of the SA and SS were found guilty and punished."
Joseph Harris
>Goddamn wehrabo faggots, all they do is appeal to authority and circlejerk in their little hugbox
Later that thread...
>fuck debating points n shit i don't need to think i can just appeal to authority
Even among Believers its a well known forgery, stop kidding yourself and actually refute why there are so many inconsistencies on the document.
Julian Barnes
>yfw jews were the original inflation fetishists
Noah Morgan
Its not an Olympic pool if its at auschwitz. You everything at auschwitz has "death" at prefix or suffix
>pool of death
>deathpool (not to be confused with a band)
Adam Gomez
David Irving is just a fascist who wanted power and notoriety.
>In a June 1992 interview with The Daily Telegraph, Irving claimed to have heard from Hitler's naval adjutant that the Führer had told him that he could not marry because Germany was "his bride".[62] Irving then claimed to have asked the naval adjutant when Hitler made that remark, and upon hearing that the date was 24 March 1938, Irving stated in response "Herr Admiral, at that moment I was being born". Irving used this alleged incident to argue that there was some sort of mystical connection between himself and Hitler.[67]
> In 1982, Irving made an attempt to unify all of the various neo-Nazi groups in Britain into one party called Focus, in which he would play a leading role.[42] Irving described himself as a "moderate fascist" and spoke of plans to become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.[62] The effort failed due to fiscal problems.[42] Irving told the Oxford Mail of having "links at a low level" with the British National Front.
Total narcissist.
Noah Morris
>fascist
Wyatt Thomas
He's one of the leading experts on the Nazi period, his Third Reich trilogy is considered one of the best works on the subject.
Nicholas Bennett
thanks pal
Jaxon Reyes
Never seen this one before. Jewesses are vile creatures.
Angel Reed
Patton himself said the Nuremberg Trials were complete bullshit, just before his (((car accident))).
Jackson Rivera
>by tickling
wew
Lucas Brooks
>is considered
Key phrase their, considered by whom as being the foremost in a highly partisan field? Evans is biased as fuck just as all the historians are, I don't know why their is so much cult worship of these well known authors.
Ian Cook
>much-respected academic
He was never an academic of any kind.
>was his argument ever refuted
Yes. In court.
You know, it's entirely possible to be a national socialist and accept the historicity of the Holocaust. Those people deserved it, in the same way we'll deserve ours if we don't get our shit together.
Isaiah Garcia
>Liberal academics
Actually academics of virtually every ideological viewpoint.
>Commonly refuted
By who? Holocaust Deniers?
>Forced admissions of guilt
If you think demoralized German soldiers, guarding camps had any loyalty to the German High Command towards the end of the war you are delusional.
Also I assume you have some reputable sources to confirm these "Forced Admissions".
>Comparing Galileo to holocaust deniers.
Wew lad.
Samuel Perry
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I don't know guys, this melodrama makes me question if I can believe this Irving fellow.
Noah Barnes
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Brayden Phillips
>their
Lucas James
I have read stuff like in this thread where it was a pool, but used for the guards to race the jews, loser dies. A fsgorite was that is wasn't a pool, but an execution device (I'm shocked). Jews were crammed into the pool and an electric currant was ran through it killing them. It was only disguised as a pool.
Mason Moore
Where are the gas chambers and where are the bodies?
Nathan Foster
>Two people linking to a repository of Holocaust evidence in a holocaust denial thread is a sign of a concerted effort.
Ok.
Prove it or shut up faggot.
Jace Bennett
>By who? Holocaust Deniers?
Other jews, pic related
>Actually academics of virtually every ideological viewpoint.
hahahaha
>They didn't have loyalty
A lot of them went into hiding and alot of the killed themselves before being put to trial
You'll just say anything at this point so as to not have your viewpoints invalidated, huh?