Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8
youtube.com/watch?v=1TgdLkGwbTw
youtube.com/watch?v=DZhqPC6d_DA&t
youtube.com/watch?v=AsIuVKZ8-0Q
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NO.

The only thing more disgusting than communism is....


.... Communist pedophile.

kill yourself commie faggot

>in b4 OP has to selfbump multiple times

Why not comrade?

What are you talking about? Don't be a cuckitalist please.

Undialectical.

Hello comrade! revolution when?

also if this is not a troll thread give me reasons communism > National socialism lefty/pol/

honest question user. Have you read the Gulag Archipelago?

I really puts into place the fact that communism and marxism are no viable and that in practice commitment to their doctrine destroyed millions of lives.

It leads to limited free speech and expression at the cost of the supposed adherence to the doctrine.

China, USSR, the only moderately "successful" communist countries both are the worst violators of human rights, expression suppression, and full out subversion of the exchange of ideas outside of the doctrine.

Please, for your own good, read the Gulag Archipelago and understand what you are really trying to advocate for. Read up about China and the pseudo-orwellian nightmare it is to live anywhere other than Shenzen or Hong Kong (their autonomous capitalist experiments that still get their rights abused occasionally.)

And look into tianamen square where peoples open non-violent expressions against communism were met with martial law, a culling of human lives, and then absolute denial by the government despite extensive proof of it.

I even have a link to the first volume of the Gulag Archipelago for you on audiobook so you can start you research friend:

youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8

socialists and communists have no central movement or practical ideology. Abandon your hopeless ideology and join us social democrats to actually bring about the proper next stage of humanity

More people are joining socialist parties in USA now, this is a favorable event

National socialists have a very practical ideology friendo.

That is why their movements are growing

Holy fuck this, watch Jordan Peterson's lectures. I am a traditional liberal who usual gave communism the benefit of the doubt from not knowing, but after you see what really happens in practice and education yourself, you really see what the fuck it is.

I think social democracy is the furthest you can go without getting into that dangerous territory

capitalism is still the best way bitch

I thought this is ironic but then I realized in Spain there are actually a lot of fucked up ideologies anarchists, communism etc.

social democracy is still capitalism.

I really like you Poland. If I ever needed to would you accept american immigrants?

that last "typical liberal response" is so fucking weak whoever wrote it clearly only fantasized about winning arguments and never had a real one.

Learn from histories mistakes before you cement your life as one you worthless piece of nazi human waste

loser faggots with no job like you.

We are very proud of it. They are not fucked up they are the future of humanity comrade.

(that is a joke)

(provide some real arguments then)

Acknowledge the atrocities of Marxist-Leninist regimes or fuck off.

If your doctrine was so great, you wouldn't need to lie about it constantly.

>The west's trajectory for the past 200 years has been bad

Name one non-western country you would want to be born in. Having trouble? Only able to name european and NA nations? hmmmmmmmmmmmm

(1) Soviet society was indeed socialist.
(2) This society had many undesirable and problematic features.
(3) The problems of Soviet society were in part related to the extremely difficult
historical circumstances in which the Bolsheviks set about trying
to build socialism, but that is not all: important policy mistakes were
made (just as possible in a socialist society as in capitalism), and furthermore
the problems of Soviet socialism in part reflect serious weaknesses
in classical Marxism itself.
(4) The failure of the Soviet system is therefore by no means irrelevant to
Marxian socialism. We must reflect carefully on the lessons to be learned
from this failure.
(5) Nonetheless, unlike those who delight in proclaiming the complete historic
rout of Marxism, we believe that a different type of socialism—still recognizably
Marxian, yet substantially reformulated—is possible. The Soviet
Union was socialist, but other forms of Marxian socialism are possible.
(6) This claim can be sustained only by spelling out in much more detail than
hitherto both the sorts of economic mechanisms and the forms of political
constitution which socialists consider both desirable and feasible.

Daily reminder that OP is a Jewish cock sucking faggot shill

They mass murdered tens of millions of their own citizens for arbitrary reasons.

It's so weird that I would only ever want to live in a white country.

Do you not understand that it is saying the west has been in social decline SINCE the freemason revolution 200 years ago?>

What it is saying is meditated monarchy (national socialism was a form of this) or aristocratic republic (kind of the same thing slight differences) are better forms of government

That doesn't change what I said compa, once you see the horrors of the Lenin and Stalin USSR through the eyes of a man who was a soldier, a government worker, a gulag'd civilian (over fucking sending an email to Poland), and then see what the subversive communistic mindset does to people, you can't give it any sort of moral ground at all.

It violates individual rights for a doctrine that is utopian in idea but contrary in practice.

And don't even get me started on China.

>Yfw you will never see a Chinese flag here outside of Hong Kong because of government censorship

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He ignores these points because he knows there's no argument against them.

Commies are scum.

Goys will be goys

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luckily unlike you i live in a diverse country and have actually met people of all races that I respect and dislike, learning that racism is a meme for inbreds like u

>wanting to live 200 years ago

ok but im going to stay here with all the porn, vidya, and liberated women LOL

This disproves nothing.

They killed tens of millions of their own citizens are arbitrary reasons. Now fuck off and die.

[collapses]

Oh and I never claimed they killed 60 million, nice strawman.

Another example of how commies can only lie and distort to 'win' an argument.

No seriously, read the Gulag Archipelago. There is nothing to be proud of. Innocents die, civilians were imprisoned, and even the most loyal soldiers and party members were gulag'd for the most novelty of things like
said.

In a communist country you wouldn't even have the freedom to have a discourse like this on a site like this unless it 100% followed the doctrine. Why do you seek to be subverted rather than have the freedoms you live in?

To quote Lenin on address the numerous intellectuals and scholars they had gulag'd over not adhering to communism and trying to be objective in their teachings

>"I would ask you not to spend you energy on whimpering over rotten intellectuals"

You're that faggot Spanish communist from FP aren't you. Stop shitting up our board you cunt and stick to your hugbox.

You should check out Putnam's study on racial diversity and social capital.

>wanting to live 200 years ago
>ok but im going to stay here with all the porn, vidya, and liberated women LOL


I see they have their claws in you.

I am sorry that your ancestors have allowed society to decay to the point you see your degeneration favorably.

This has to end soon as every sexually "liberated" society soon does.

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fuck off

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its the dame spaniard every time

fuck you OP

Never faggot get over it

I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet.

>correlation = causation

now theres a new one. Better divide society in half and cause a race war because of a chart

so laughable racists all think "man it would be so much better if i were in charge."

h u m a n w a s t e

You do realize that this has as much proof as those studies on that gender thread? Plus the USSR did annex Polish, German, and Finnish land that was included in the Russian SFSR.

The GULAG system was introduced in order to isolate and eliminate class-alien, socially dangerous, disruptive, suspicious, and other disloyal elements, whose deeds and thoughts were not contributing to the strengthening of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

>virtue signalling in a Sup Forums thread

h u m a n w a s t e

>hating Aristotelian virtue anywhere

h u m a n w a s t e

see how good of an argument that is?

I.e. sane human beings who saw the regime for what it was.

Please just leave. You're not going to convert anyone ITT to your cause, and are clearly a dreadful human being and a pathological liar.

Forward march goyim!

>>correlation = causation
>sophistry = argument

>Better divide society in half and cause a race war because of a chart
When did I say that? The only policies I ever advocate for are restricted immigration from non-white countries and freedom of association.

it was a good argument, considering you gave NO ARGUMENT AND STILL DONT YOU FUCKING RETARD

>Aristotelian virtue

If aristotle were to judge both of us he would high five me and put your weak NEET body in a dumpster

Why are you ignoring my points, or do I need to put it in your native tongue friend?

¿Por qué estás ignorando mis puntos compa?

Honestamente, quiero que entiendas lo que estás siguiendo.

>When did I say that? blah blah

I assumed because you're posting in this thread. good to see you only want some racist policy instead of all the racist pocily.

>restricted immigration from non-white countries

would never sell. Doesn't even make sense. Globalization is mixing us all whether you like it or not. There is no clear divide any longer between races.


stop fighting the truth its a waste of your time

>class-alien, socially dangerous, disruptive, suspicious, and other disloyal elements
you mean millions of innocent people, who rejected giving everything that they have acquired through hard work to lazy faggot jewish dicksuckers like you?

This leaf will educate you kids:

youtube.com/watch?v=1TgdLkGwbTw

youtube.com/watch?v=DZhqPC6d_DA&t

youtube.com/watch?v=AsIuVKZ8-0Q

You never addressed the argument here

You only seem to have misunderstood it here
which I tried to help you comprehend it here You have never answered the original argument beyond social degeneration being all you care about.

>If aristotle were to judge both of us he would high five me and put your weak NEET body in a dumpster

>sophistry = argument
I agree this guy has only circular sophistic reasoning and is even using ad hominem attacks on an anonymous image board


(must be mad or not able to understand anything that is being said beyond muh dick)

((sad))

>daily spaniard commiefag thread so he can get his daily dosis of getting BTFO
The only good commie is a dead commie.

I would like to see someone who readed the book answer this

>You never addressed the argument here

you mean the image? The ANECDOTE? yes im mad because the knowledge that someone so degenerate exists

>using ad hominem attacks

it's a great way to vent, especially when you're righteous :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Would you rather suck my dick or be a part of a community that does?

Know matter what you do the wealthy capitalists will always bone your mouths forever.

other disloyal elements
>i prefer capitalism
>sent to gulag

>I assumed because you're posting in this thread
The communism general? What does that have to do with race realism?

>would never sell
"The eternal normie" is such a stupid conception. People are more xenophobic than you think (rational self interest and all), and I don't have to sell your policies honestly since democracy is not my deity.

You have to be trolling.

Morning comrades. At work again having the fruits of my labor stolen.

Ima just leave this here.

nope. im the real deal. i'll give you all the time you need to muster a response friendo

Can someone screencap everytime this spaintard posts this commie shit? Im not even kidding its the same lonely fucker who posts it thinking he's gonna save the world or some shit

A response to what?

Your lack of understanding of what the word anecdote is?


Hey aussy when are you guys going to have some sort of revolution? I see some of the best posts from Australians (best shitposts too)

Don't know of any Communist pedophiles but I know of a conservative one.

And he does it for FREE

Hey CTR

Go die in a gulag you pinko commie cocksucker.

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>A response to what?

What are you referring to? The image in ? You seem coy about your argument. Maybe it /doesntexist/?

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>TRS
>Stormfront
>Supporting a gay jewish coal-burner
???

I am blind

>What are you referring to?
Honestly if you can't understand how to debate properly I am just going to stop responding. It is retarded to the point that it is not even helping the moderate lurkers. I am sure anyone with a good facility for logical reasoning will forgive me

>Confuses democracy with capitalism.
I don't believe in communism but you capitalist shills are fucking autistic.

Russia's always been a shithole and the human rights abuses that existed in the USSR were the same as the ones under the Tsar and still persist in a downscaled but no less reprehensible version in Putin's Russia.

Russian rulers rule by force. It's not the West and you're an idiot if you think you can treat it - and judge it - like the West.

It's like when people piss and moan about China's human rights abuses without realising that China today is pretty much at the most humane it has ever been in history.

Go back to Chapo trap house. The USSR was a great and powerful society, we had that, all social Dems have is a Bernie bro podcast and a stupid rose logo.

Didn't knew you had a spain commie here but i tell you that these people doesn't get much attention in real life with their workers rethoric, it's more like refugees wellcome socialdemocrat leftism, basicly just welfare state.
Is not very popular, except in universities (Berkley-Tier), most of them are in arts or political science. they congregate in shitty pubs listening to shitty "republican" music. The rest of the people are conservative/socialdemocrat normies.

Is it this? "What it is saying is meditated monarchy (national socialism was a form of this) or aristocratic republic (kind of the same thing slight differences) are better forms of government"

because that's not an argument it's a clarification, and irrelevant one at that.

>Honestly if you can't understand how to debate properly

Dude i am winning the insult war. This is how you debate properly on Sup Forums, welcome newfag. can y'all fucking believe this guy "debating properly" on this shitstain of a discussion board.

you have no argument, you have no response to my basic argument i made here. You've got nothing and everyone in the thread knows it.

and the success of the nordic nations to point to. even their prisons are lavish LOL

Holy shit..... You really showed us......

Maybe Aristotle was right. Some people are born thinkers while others are born "workers". I am sure the leaf here won't know what I am talking about.

>I post Gulag Archipelago, with sources and facts
>Suddenly Spaniard commie stops responding when I call him out for ignoring my points.

Why won't the communists just have an open discourse?

Aristotle placed high value on arguments and facts. why don't you go get sum bb

see:

They still killed a lot and never had much regard for human lives or any other values anyway. Even if Soviet goverment decided to kill half of its population nobody in it would blink an eye, 'its all for the greater good and its not up to us to judge anything that it does'. Still, even 2 or 3 millions, and thats for certain are quite a big number, at least for a "peoples" goverment.