Sort yourself out general /syo/
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### Jordan B Peterson and his lectures
### Rediscovering Christianity
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### motivation to stop being a fat lazy permavirgin
### disussions about times you went into chaos and emerged with a golden orb
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>### Rediscovering Christianity
>### motivation to stop being a fat lazy permavirgin
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in what video does he actually say that, I can't remember
>disussions about times you went into chaos and emerged with a golden orb
What ever do you mean?
What my (You's) were from the old thread when I had asked...
thanks for that video its a good one. I think its also available in podcast form
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my fav one
When you descend in a state of controlled, psychological distress to learn something about yourself and the world around you
sometimes known as getting redpilled
Ask me about my golden ball
whats your golden ball
Sometimes actually trying something and fucking it up still moves you forward in life. At least you come to understand fuckups are not the end of the world.
it's a spherical representation of the logos i found in the underworld
it's a bouncy ball too
i am in chaos, havent emerged yet, but soon :}.
kek'd
Notably he says it as his final message on Joe Rogan's podcast ep. 877
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user, what do you mean by natural selection of ideas
>tfw watching disney movies after listening to peterson
Moana was really good, many archetypes
What this user says fascinates me
Wondering how all of the /syo/ bros feel about Trump
why do people say frozen is utter shit
I haven't seen it btw
Trump is good IMO because he brings responsibility.
He wants people to be accountable and responsible of their actions.
Idk, haven't seen Frozen
The last disney I saw was Tangled and that was very long time ago
I really liked Moana, the visuals are amazing and the story follows a solid heroic myth narrative. The main story revolves around finding the hero that stole the heart of nature and making him return the heart to nature, which turned into a fiery demon.
Godammit why did I laughed at this
this user is the joker archetype
Link University of Toronto Psychology self-authorship program
yes yes but orthodox christianity can't be a justified belief unless you have some magic knowledge
i don't think there are any deals any more on this program correct?
elaborate?
Jung on god
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"i dont need to believe, i know."
Why wait for a deal? It's not a ton of money for a NEET, which is who it's really for.
I just started it yesterday. It's really enlightening. You remember things about your life that you havent thought about in years.
SORTING IN PROGRESS
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where do I pirate this?
I can't find it
justification for beliefs is defined something along the lines of "a belief is justified for a given person if based on what that person knows and what they can deduce, it's reasonable to hold that belief"
what counts as reasonable is up for debate but at the minimum a belief needs to be derived from what you know and what you can deduce or else it can't be considered justified
how does it look?
can you upload it somewhere?
yes but how can anyone that styles themselves a philosopher can permit themselves to hold an unjustified belief just because there is utility in doing so.
What is this? Is it like auditing in scientology or something?
pragmatism/darwinism
you never have access to the truth
things are only sufficiently true for you
have you heard his podcast with sam harris?
So it's a Jungian concept? It just seems like an oddly specific choice of words. Why gold, and of all shapes, why an orb? Anyways, thanks for clarifying. It reminds of the 72 virgins. Not 71, not 73, but 72.
he says these archetypes that embody super truths and that dictate our morals were legitimized by evolution, that those ideas are the best for living things to organize themselves and their lives because those who did were more successful reproductively than those who used other ideas.
In that sense, is there divine spark in that or simply it was evolution?
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So is it just a diary that logs how much I typed? What value does it provide?
Damn. Harsh truth.
Slay the dragon. We're all gonna make it anons
Ladder, interesting
> When the Buddha asks Shariputra whether the father was guilty of falsehood, he answers.
> "No, World-Honored One. This rich man simply made it possible for his sons to escape the peril of fire and preserve their lives. He did not commit a falsehood. Why do I say this? Because if they were able to preserve their lives, then they had already obtained a plaything of sorts. And how much more so when, through an expedient means, they are rescued from that burning house!"[5]
Darwinian truth.
Thanks user, very informative video. I'm halfway through.
what is it anyways? is it videos or text? series of steps?
Binge watching his channel for the past 2 days.
Is he I dare say /ourguy/
>### disussions about times you went into chaos and emerged with a golden orb
No orb, but I now know what the orb will look like, when I will find it.
I had the orb for about the first 30 years of my life, but I lost it.
no i barely know about him
if you abandon the need for justification and decide that all belief is based on preference then there are negative consequences.
people have a natural tendency to ask themselves or other people why they're doing things, in order to be able to satisfy such questions with consistency they tend to form principals. if for instance you killed a man and you asked yourself or someone asked you why you killed him, you might say something such as "people who unjustly bully the weak need to be killed". there is a strong compulsion to answer such questions so one way or another you'll find some reason. now having said what you said, you are bound (towards the person who asked you and towards yourself) by that answer from that point on (in so far as you aren't completely shameless). you now can't gas the kikes - so long as this doesn't constitute unjustly bullying the weak - without violating that principal, otherwise you will have done something that makes you worthy of death. being unable to answer why you gassed the kikes is going to make you lose face in front of other people because there's a strong compulsion to answer such questions and also you'll feel the displeasure of cognitive dissonance because you'll think you're a shitty philosopher. having principals makes your life easy and simple, you don't need to hesitate and be confused about what to do in every situation, and you're less subject to whim which makes you more trustworthy by other people
>if you abandon the need for justification and decide that all belief is based on preference then there are negative consequences, not preferences
the point is that the belief and it's truth value is based on the consequences
mental gymnastics are a form of justification
you can tweak "justification" to fit your preferences
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>discussions about times you went into chaos and emerged with a golden orb
Still didn't go through all of his lectures, but i can say that through chaos i found out that ultimately my mission will have to benefit others and society for it to succeed in the first place.
Money and recognition are just by-products of you pursuing your goal and must not be your goal.
>Chaos
Hedonism and materialism, in my case.
eh sort yourself out buddy
It saves what you type too.
It's basically a large, guided writing exercise designed to make you reflect on aspects of your personality so that you can address any issues/shortcomings you have and better yourself. The "past" portion is to address any thing traumatic that affects you now that you haven't fully reconciled, the "present" to address personality faults AND virtues, and the "future" is to help you set goals.
It's basically self-help, but instead of just being told to think a certain way or do certain actions or some bullshit, you have to look in the mirror and sort yourself out.
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the challenge that you face has to match your skill -> flow
it's the Petersonian edge between order and chaos
between boredom and frustration
I always bump for Peterson
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>the point is that the belief and it's truth value is based on the consequences
that's patently false. having true beliefs in worldly matters is equivalent to being well informed, and so naturally the better you are able to evaluate situations and predict outcomes of situations the better you are able to make good decisions, however when it comes to cosmology that's not the case. the only reason why religious memes are able to survive and thrive is precisely because there's little to no consequence for holding them, you can't fail. if a deity would neither blow my brains out with lightning if i insult it nor reward me for praising it then it can be considered to be a trivial entity, at least in this mortal world, and beliefs about it don't matter.
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And you do it online on his website?
Are you sure they don't save your walltext and sell it to the merchants?
newfag cancer that doesnt even know the basics of racial realism. Kill yourselves.
sage
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>racial realism.
now join it with the concept of inherent human dignity (soul/godly spark)
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Jordan Peterson is THE sperglord.
>the game
it's been many years since i last lost it
It's anonymous, unless they do some sketchy shit with your credit card info.
And I don't think (((they))) really care about the issues of a bunch of autists
His grad students will read it, also it provides the NSA with a psychological profile of you for blackmail and manipulation.
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That's what I assume tbqh
>having true beliefs in worldly matters is equivalent to being well informed
that's the realist pov but it isn't the case for pragmatism
>and so naturally the better you are able to evaluate situations and predict outcomes of situations the better you are able to make good decisions
that's not necessarily true
eg you discover that bacteria cause disease, there you have an piece of information but you lack the other half of story
a logical course of action derived from this information is to get rid your body of bacteria ...which would kill you
no matter how much information you have there will always be something you're missing
>reason why religious memes are able to survive and thrive is precisely because there's little to no consequence for holding them, you can't fail.
no they survived because they work
Finished it, will watch part 2
Anons here might find interesting the concept of the Six Levels of Change by Gregory Bateson (and others)
Is buying the book worth it? Or is it just the Lecture?
The book is free on his website as a pdf
It consciously goes against archetypal narratives and therefore propaganda
>that's the realist pov but it isn't the case for pragmatism
pragmatism a shit. A SHIT. if an idea has a problem, even if it's otherwise useful, as long as that small problem exists and you notice it, it's going to bug you.
>eg you discover that bacteria cause disease, there you have an piece of information but you lack the other half of story
>a logical course of action derived from this information is to get rid your body of bacteria ...which would kill you
it's not true that all bacteria cause disease, only some bacteria. it doesn't follow from "some bacteria cause disease" that you should remove any one particular bacteria from your body. this hypothetical person is supposed to only have true beliefs, yet you made him a retard. of course i never said that it's necessarily useful so i don't even know why you're contesting that particular point, being informed of the existence of lovecraftian horrors will make you go insane, for instance.
>no they survived because they work
meaning what, exactly? even supposing that they being religious is of psychological benefit under some metric for wellbeing that we both agree on, the merits still don't erase the demerits, at best it could be said that being religious is beneficial when the merits and demerits are taken as a whole, if you have a low impression of the importance of being a principled person.
It's an archetype of a woman saying "you can do whatever you want" but not being punished by cold hard reality.
Fairy tales are the most fictitious and therefore archetypal narratives. Frozen hit it big by resonating on a shallower more temperamental cultural wave, than say, MUH PINOCCHIO.
thanks
I thought that he was a stupid meme but this is great, bump
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> I barely know about him
Then why should i listen to anything you have to say about him. You can't possibly understand ideas you haven't heard well enough to refute them. Ya dumbass.
>yfw you realize Jung perfectly explains radical feminism
>yfw they just alternately argue against their shadow and their animus as projected onto society
>yfw archetypes are the phenomenological "rubber meeting the road" of meme magic.
No joke, stumbling on to his lectures around the same time I organically got around to reading Jung and Freud has been life changing.
>Rediscovering Christianity
that's was just obviously just an example from the top of my head to illustrate a point
if you want to address it address the point
also the point of pragmatism is that you don't have access to truth
>of course i never said that it's necessarily useful so i don't even know why you're contesting that particular point
because JBP comes from pragmatism which, simply put, defines as truth as what is useful
for the reason that you never have access to truth and the way you perceive the world was determined by natural selection
in other you don't have full access to reality
This illustrates perfectly how I feel about everything. pic related.
At the beginning, everything is easy and almost boring to me. As it gets more complicated, I can still keep up without training/studying much, for a while. But sooner or later there comes a point where I get to the "frustration" area, I panic and start to increase my skill, but fail to keep up (or rather outrun) the increasing challenge to get back to the flow area. And then I break down, give up, drop out, whatever.
How do I stop being a lazy undisciplined fuck
poor peterson, his fans are such parrots that they can't even replicate his ideas. for a wise teacher to have students only capable of regurgitating his words without truly digesting them, it can only be summed up with one word: sad!
gold because its extremely valuable
the symbolism behind the orb i havent figured out yet
>### disussions about times you went into chaos and emerged with a golden orb
Sure this is recipe for sorting yourself out?
Like when I spend 4 days straight on Sup Forums and realised the only way forward for humanity is the genocide of the ignorant.
>circle/sphere
the orb is geometrically indivisible in a way that other shapes are not. Spheres carry with them a notion of unquantifiability and "perfection." A circle is atomic in a way few other things are. Every point is defined in relation to the center. Etc.
You can only ever really "approach" a circle, you can't really achieve one, so it's the ultimate platonic ideal.
>implying it doesn't actually help people
no just stay in your basement, the world is dangerous, better to do nothing, ever.
you haven't sorted yourself out if you think about genocide
thanks for fleshing out some of the symbolism behind the orb.
I especially like how in harry potter the golden orb has wings and is fucking annoying to obtain
All who interested - try to go through this stuff. Brilliant and hugely underrated. Annoyingly long but Peterson guys could held this for sure.
this definition of truth is exactly the point where he got stuck with Sam Harris
really, if you wish to understand his pov I'm not the best person to talk to
watch his maps of meaning lectures
interesting shit
Hi Jordan. I know you come here to check on us and we thank you for that. But this is a ludibrium.
You also want us to teach you.
You are a "witch" like us. You are human.
You are meant to fight alongside us and recruit more humans for the test of humanity.
Keep up your work. Suffering is its own reward as it opens us up to the past and the future.
The fight never ends.
gonna watch this video maybe it has some insight about this
the arguments get so fucking tangled up, but i think peterson nailed harris within the first 15 minutes by stating that science needs something exterior to science to evaluate if its moral
Where should I begin in my Petersonian self sorting? There are like 5 "Maps of Meaning" playlists, one dating to 1996 when he was teaching at Harvard...
I'm OCD about starting series from beginning and going through chronologically, should I start back then? Or is there a better jumping off point?
i was memeing before, i don't really hate on pragmatism that much, life is short and you have use what works even if you know it's strictly speaking wrong. i'm not so hypocritical as to demand that others satisfy a high standard i myself can't satisfy, however even in pragmatist theory, you are still trying to describe the truth, and usefulness is measured based on the descriptive strength of something. pragmatism doesn't permit you to throw truth out the window and hold a belief because you "like" it and you "liking it" make you "happy", which in turn is "useful". that is not the sense of the word "useful" that pragmatists intend