Becoming a Christian

Help me out Sup Forums, I'm having a crisis of faith. I feel like in order to be a good western person you MUST be a Christian. Which denomination is best? I don't want to be an atheist anymore, I don't want to be part of the cancer killing the west.

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Don't become a Christian because of >muh west, become a Christian because you honestly believe it to be true.

>he wants to be a Christcuck
Lmao. Weekly reminder that Joseph was the first "wife's son" and Jaybus was nothing more than jewish tricks

What said.

That being said, join a Pentecostal denomination. Once you start to feel comfortable around them, then that probably means you've become an actual believer.

Esoteric Christianity, Rudolf Steiner, etc. Research it.

There has to be more to life, right? If you're going to join a religion it might as well be the religion of your forefathers, the religion that built your nation

If you're going to join a religion, it might as well be the one you find to be true.

Don't pick based on "muh nation" even if it did.
Pick the one you believe is true.

Don't fall for the genetic fallacies offered by a lot of people on Sup Forums who say things like "it's not European", or "Jesus was Jewish".

Neither are entirely correct.

Jesus was a Hebrew. He followed Judaism to create Christianity. He surpassed Judaism.

The Jews of today come from post-Second Temple Judaism. They're not the same as Jews of the time.

Ethnically? It wouldn't matter.


Christianity isn't a cuck religion either. Although a lot of people have turned it into that, it's not supposed to be.

Christianity built Europe. Beforehand it's a bunch of racial, loosely-related Indo-European religions.

Personally, I suggest you look into Orthodox Christianity.

It would be good for you to pick up some ideas of what Christianity teaches and what God is and is not. A lot of atheists have a misconception of God. They believe God is literally a lone Zeus. This isn't correct.

Well said

>Agnosticism

episcopal ftw

I am probably in the minority, but I would recommend a good evangelical church that isn't progressive or preaches prosperity gospel. Catholic church is kind of boring, and I've gone to many services.

These are your ONLY options, I suggest BOTH.

This IMO, but not liberal Episcopalian

>he hates God because he hasn't got a toilet

How sad.

The greatest way to find Christ is via pilgrimage. Go to a cathedral in a foreign country.

ESOTERIC HITLERISM IS THE ONLY OPTION

Isn't it amazingly beautiful, the red-pill cycle. You start as a cocky, degenerate leftist shitposting about Christians and how lame they are, you take the pill and then you come full circle and realize embracing Christianity is literally the only way to retain some semblance of sanity in this disgusting world

This.
But to answer your question, Independent Fundamental Baptist.
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Alright, thanks, I appreciate the advice. I'll look into it Orthodoxy, see if it's a good fit for me.

Anglican was the one I was leaning towards so I'll consider that as well

>street shitters bearing the mark of cain pontificating on God
Nobody gives a shit what the 4th world thinks, Pajeet.

you need Jesus. that's all you need to know.

Become a traditional Catholic.
Dont fall for the modernist, post-Vatican II stuff.

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To trace back the root of western civilisation, you need to read Srcorate, Plato and Aristotle, instead of Kike's old testament and pussy Jesus fucking Christ.

As a biased person who grew up in one, I recommend a non-denominational "Bible Church" which adheres to sola scriptura and sola fide. A small church in your community.

Seeing as you're an atheist, you might be better aligned with the catholics, who preach genesis as an allegory in an attempt to line up with macroevolution and the prevailing theories in cosmology. (Recent cosmology doesn't contradict christianity and really makes clear the necessity of a god to start things off, however the estimates about the age of the universe simply don't line up with genesis.) Beware of course, that the new pope has gone completely off the rails on matters of homosexuality, islam, and refugees...Seriously, the man isn't even trying.

>read the blathering of these cocksuckers pol
Not even once.
is that way, you don't belong here degenerate.

>Orthodox Christianity

Praise Kek. Really!

I would say Eastern Orthodox, but really you must discover your indigenous faith tradition. If your family is historically Catholic, become a traditional Catholic, if Protestant, a traditional Protestant etc. A faith that's chosen on the basis of personal preference is meaningless.

Read the Bible, but not just the Bible. Immerse yourself in theological and devotional writings from the Church Fathers, Medieval Saints, etc.

Re-connect yourself to the norms and beliefs of your ancestors. Grow up, become a man/woman and receive the inheritance of your fathers.

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Read the Bible, come to your own conclusions, then decide what you want to do next. Its disgusting how many Christians parade around and pretend like like they know whats up but are so ignorant of the teachings its hard to believe they've ever read a word of text.

>Which denomination is best?

the one that says fuck off to the church

Thanks, guys.

Can't fault it. I really can't.

I'm technically Anglican so I'd like to comment on it. Anglicanism is in a bit of a state. She's a decent church but she's under attack. She has been infiltrated by leftists, usually in the 50s.

They removed tradition from the church and made the sacred into the profane. It leaves a lot of people a bit less fulfilled because of that, unfortunately, as songs are usually cheesy 80's Hillsong and so on. However, being Australian it is probably going to be the most popular Church around.

I love what she used to be but she needs to get rid of those who are trying to destroy her from within.

I found a Catholic church near me that does Latin rite. I'm going to visit it.

Get a bible KVJ

John 11:25King James Version (KJV)

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

or use biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Johannes 11:25&version=KJV

I don't see how people blame atheism for "killing the west" when Europe is letting sandniggers kill it for them but whatever.
As for denomination, imo one isn't better than the other, probably gonna get shit on for saying that though. Just choose one that you truly feel is right. The practices, the beliefs, everything. Don't force yourself to believe in something, you'll just be lying to yourself. People can't tell you which denomination is the best, you have to decide that for yourself.

>Latin
Your ancestors were burned at the stake for daring to read the Bible and print it in English. Don't shame yourself and your blood by chucking yourself to a filthy Guido apostate church that kisses the feet of Muslims.

Catholics aren't Christians.

You should attend service in your own fucking language, the Bible wasn't even written in Latin, but Greek and Hebrew.

The Catholics removed entire passages, and changed verses to suit their Idolatry.

Steer clear of cathcucks.

Don't forget this one

Pick based on whats true, not whats popular.
We know the first christians were gnostic, and that gnostics were persecuted for very long and by many.
Become a gnostic.

>I feel like in order to be a good western person you MUST be a Christian
Is this bait or are you retarded?

>I don't want to be part of the cancer killing the west.
Then don't become a messianic jew.

I'm still going to visit it. It's not like I'm converting.

Presbyterianism

Honestly the trick to becoming religious is realizing you are not the smartest person on the earth and there things much bigger than you.

non denomination evangelical, you will thank me later.

Morals stem from religion.
The church teaches these morals to kids at a young age.
Athiests usually have no morals, and their idea of no god is hur dur you can't prove he exists muh evolutionism.
Athiests are majority former jewish people.
Athiests are the group of people who are mostly interested in cuckold porn.
Most open relationship people are athiest.

1. read Revelations 1-22.
2. turn the picture 180°
3. ?????
4. PROFIT

Do you honestly give a shit or is Christendom simply a cudgel to beat shitskins and leftists with?

Be honest to yourself at least because it'll tell you what sort of denomination you're willing to go for.

Dont do this.

I've been considering this for a while. Over the last year or so I've grown to believe in Christian theology as a whole. I've been drawn to the Anglican Church for obvious reasons, but I've also developed a fascination with the Orthodox Church as they seem to be the last bastion of untainted Christianity. I'm still very ignorant when it comes to this however.

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I'd be lying if there wasn't some element of anti-left wing sentiment in my decision, but only partially.

I'd advise the Orthodox Church, user. To me the Catholic Church has fallen astray through abuses of their believers throughout the centuries and the Protestant view that faith alone (as opposed to good works) is satisfactory enough strikes me as advertising a lazy route back to God.

>Morals stem from religion
No

>Athiests usually have no morals
No

>and their idea of no god is hur dur you can't prove he exists muh evolutionism
Yep. Disproving God is a valid argument for saying there is no God.

>Athiests are majority former jewish people
No

>Athiests are the group of people who are mostly interested in cuckold porn.
No idea if that's true but if you base fundamental life decisions around not getting associated with someone you must be an extremely insecure person.

>Most open relationship people are athiest.
Probably true.

Well, that's really the catch-22 here. If you're honestly going for the fringe benefits then you can seriously consider more esoteric options. For instance, you could convert to Mormonism and get into your JEW-LITE(tm) club.

But of course, the strongest denominations tend to have a lot more responsibility placed on all of their members.

So, if you do keep pace with it and you're just paying lip service you may end up with a family life that falls apart because your qt 3.14 Aryan Mormon waifu realizes that you don't actually believe Joseph Smith interpreted "Neo Egyptian" writing with a seer stone, etc.

>What if I go for the lighter/less responsibility driven parts of Christianity?
At this point, I would honestly ask why you feel the need to go to denomination at all. In my country at least the very low input churches are essentially brunch clubs. They're not a bulwark against degeneracy, and they're full of knowledge gaps.

>What if I do actually want to believe in Christianity?
If you're on Sup Forums, I genuinely don't believe you'll ever fully take that pill, but it will give you some comfort. I'd recommend scoping out a few churches of major denominations and seeing what actually appeals to you.

Don't be that guy. Do you seriously want the rest of your life to say: "Well I know it's bullshit but it's easier than arguing my positions rationally"?

This christian revival is solely based on a false dichotomy between nihilism and judaism.
Don't be retarded. You're not the first person in the world with these problems. There are 3000 years of philosophy to answer them. And not once again you have to compromise what you know to be true.

I tried this a few months ago. Faith is so severed from the young that you'll have trouble connecting to it and most churches you go to will probably be filled with shilling for refugees and african children. You probably won't like it but it's not like it isn't worth a shot. I decided I'd rather forge something new.

>Atheists usually have no morals
FUCKING KEK
All religious systems around the world have had some similar basic principles, ie don't kill or rape people.
Morals are largely an element of culture. Saying someone doesn't have morals just because they don't follow a religion is complete and utter bullshit. It implies that the church is the only way to ever learn morality whatsoever. I barely went to church when I was a kid and I turned out just fine. Atheists aren't rapist serial killing emotionless robots. Honestly this argument is just so wrong and grasping at straws levels of pathetic.
If you need a religion to tell you that killing people is not okay then maybe you should be put in a mental institution.
Not to mention all the fucked up stuff in the Bible. I mean, Christians use the "no religion no morality" argument as a be all end all and completely ignore the shitty parts of the Bible.
Society has moved to a point where people pick and choose what parts of religions to believe/ignore. Morality is 100% separate from religion at this point.
This coming from a Christian, I just fucking hate when people use that argument.

Mormonism seems like a cult to me, I would prefer to stay away from any denomination like that. Appreciate your input though man. So do I just show up at Church one Sunday and scope it out? How do converts generally go about joining a Church with no religious background?

Become a Gnostic bro, best Christian "heresy" by far

Mormonism is very much a cult. It's also very morally inconsistent and full of plot holes.

But it's also constantly gaining new members, not giving way to degeneracy, and takes care of its own.

>How to church??
Go look up churches in your area and sit down with a priest/pastor, etc. Have a good idea of what you're looking for before you do this and they'll invite you to a service. Attend services for a few weeks until you get a general idea of what the church is about.

>Can I just show up out of the blue?
You can, and that's an option, but you will be noticed in a lot of smaller churches and you might end up sitting down with a priest/reverend/pastor whatever anyway.

>Mormonism seems like a cult to me
It pretty much is, steer clear of it as much as you can.
Not really sure how most people join a church, but if you have friends that attend a church then you could ask if you could go along. My family started going with my best friend's family in high school and it was great.

Maximum kek. Ask your boy Luther about who removed passages from the Bible. Catholics put it together in the first place.

>takes care of their own
>demands members give up 20% of their pay in return for not being shunned and excommunicated
>tries to assert their beliefs in contradiction with the laws of the land
>does their best to oust older employees and takeover whatever company they get a foothold in

Mormonism is nothing but a perversion of Christianity started by a conman that somehow never ran out of steam.

Catholicism is the best. People think it's corrupt, but it's still legit... It's all about Holy Communion.

catholic, of course. Christian and still pagan af.

true

If you live in the Dioceses of FNQ, Armidale, Sydney, Tasmania or N.W. Australia, you are likely to find un-cucked Anglicans.

If you live in Melbourne it's 50/50, elsewhere you're going to find theological liberals.

Or if you need some tradition, join Quakerism. There isn't any dumb ritual or initiation rights. You just need to be able to sit in silence for an hour every week and meditate on the Divine Spirit.

you do realize you're the nigger in this scenario right?

No, Christianity is a doomed religion that belongs no where. Its the religion of the weak. Revert to Islam instead.

>All religious systems around the world have had some similar basic principles, ie don't kill or rape people.
Islam specifically allows both.
>Morals are largely an element of culture.
And Western culture has been shaped by Christianity for the last 2000 years. You disregard the effect law and philosophy have had on the West too. Western law, both common law and civil law structures, form the vast majority of legal systems in the world, and both have strong links to the moral teachings of the church.
>If you need a religion to tell you that killing people is not okay then maybe you should be put in a mental institution.
>Not to mention all the fucked up stuff in the Bible.
Citation needed. Provide an example beyond cherry picking a sentence and not including its context. We're not talking about Islam here.
>Morality is 100% separate from religion at this point.
The very fact others disagree with you undermines this statement.

>Christianity built Europe. Beforehand it's a bunch of racial, loosely-related Indo-European religions.
Christianity build Rome?

the true redpill is there is no god

Rome =/= all of Europe

Jesus did all the work.
To say that you must do workday to be saved is taking glory away from Jesus Christ.

Salvation by faith extends into the old testament. It is a recurring theme.

The Sabbath day is also highlighting this fact, as God works on all days just as Jesus healed on the Sabbath.

It is also highlighted during the crucifixion on Passover. Jesus did all the work while man rested during the Passover weekend.

>Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice how works don't mean jack squat?

>But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

An Esoteric, Archetypal understanding of Traditional Catholicism.

Lol white people.

You are the biggest pussies on the planet, everyone is laughing at you.

>kek
>Christian
>doesn't understand the fundamental truths of Christianity
All false religions are of Satan, you LARPing peasant.

But why do protestants contradict early Christians

rome = civilized parts of europe

Is not doing good works part of the will of God? Visiting one's brother in prison, giving that to one which asks, so on and so forth. Those all seem like good works to me and in line with the will of God.

Salvation seems to me a matter of both faith and good works, neither of which alone will be enough.

It doesn't seem to me that saying "OK, I totally believe in you, but I'm really not going to do all that shit you advise because that sounds like work" is satisfactory enough.

because political power struggles

>Catholics
The Apostles weren't Catholic and Catholics aren't Christian.

You are literally telling lies, because Catholics are kryptokikes.

You disgust me.

Just read the Bible and take it on faith that everything in it is 100% true. Because it is. Whichever part you think is wrong is a result of being deceived by Satan. I'm not kidding. Beware that Satan has deceived many Christians by making Christianity itself so confusing with a multitude of false Bible versions and denominations, the first of which being the Catholic Church. That was Satan's first (successful) attempt to deceive the world.

KJV or bust.

>Flag
Calm down Ahmed

I'm talking about civilized religions here, not Islam. And yeah, I'll give it to you, religion largely shaped how the west formed and was a great influence over how it became the society it is today.
That said, it's run its course. You can still have a firm grasp on morals and have no religious background at all. Example? There was a whole group of people I knew in high school that were great people and guess what? All atheists.
The whole mental institution thing is just a joke, but seriously you're very close minded if you think you have to follow a religion to have morals.
And as for fucked up shit in the Bible, what about the time that a man willingly gave up a woman to rapists and then cut her up into 13 pieces and sent her to the tribes or something like that. What about the time a man almost killed his son for no other reason than "God told him to." What about the time where people laid waste to multiple civilizations (hell, God did it himself) because it didn't conform to their religious ideals?
And then there's all the shit where European Christians killed Native Americans because of "heresy."

And since when has "people disagree with you" been a valid argument? If I say that cake is better than cookies is that therefore not valid either because some people disagree?
People disagree on just about everything except for established laws in science, and even some retards think those are wrong. Saying people disagree with something is as pointless as saying the sky is blue. It's an opinion, not necessarily a fact.
Name one reason a person would have to subscribe to a religion to be a "moral" person in today's society.

But why did early church fathers contradict you

I'm Orthodox Syrian Christian

Oh look OP, the degenerate schizophrenic cathcuck spammed shows up to spam the eucharist garbage.

This fag is living proof why cathcucks belong to a cult.

He doesn't even believe in or read the Bible, and hates Christians because his gf left his dumb ass because he wouldn't be born again. She is an actual Christian while he is plagued by demons.

Since when is believing all morals stem from Christianity a vital part of Christianity?
What, before Jesus everyone was just murdering and raping people left and right?

But early christian deny your view

Saying someone has to do works is false doctrine.

Good works come from loving God, not from trying to suck up to God.

How was the good theif in the cross saved when he wasn't even baptised didn't have communion with the bread and wine and literally didn't have the time to do any good works?

The theif on the cross was saved through faith by the grace of God alone.

this

>(You)

But why did early christian say otherwise

>before Jesus
There is no before Jesus. Jesus is God, the Alpha and the Omega.

Who do you think destroyed all those fags in Sodom?

Who do you think The Angel of the Lord is?

But the church fathers deny you

Have christian values but become pantheist or something.

It's impossible to go back to believing in a human religion after an "atheist phase" if you were atheist for good reasons and not just to be edgy.
If you had interest in science, you can't decide to ignore what you know about the world around you and the fact that anthropocentric religions are nonsensical. It'll not work if you're not dumb.

That's right, good works do come from loving God, and also just for the sake of performing good works.

Perhaps the repentant thief on the cross didn't need to do any of those things because he no longer had the chance to. Like how a dying man might truly be saved.

You know, like if you can do it, you really should do it, but if you can't for some reason, well, just about everything can be forgiven, right?

christians just murder and rape in the name of a false god

Christianity is nothing but a perversion of a warrior cult of desert goat fuckers that wouldn't have actually gotten off the ground if the Romans hadn't tossed them around the empire.

Besides that
>Pay tithe
>Don't get cucked by society at large
>Practice mad nepotism

Like I said, they're Judaism-Lite.

>Never ran out of steam
Why would it? It recruits actively, pushes strong family values, isolates itself from irritants, and generally pursues its own interests.

Look at this OP.
This is what the Catholic Church produces.
This fag is in seminary school too, yet understands less than the average Bible believing Baptist teenager. Because the pagan cathcuck church plays down actually reading the Bible yourself and instead wants you to follow the commands of a pederast in a dress that carries a smoking wallet.