Why does no one here ever talk about the real owners of the united states? the military industrial complex?
-Behind closed doors these companies lobby for wars, even if they are wars the cannot win IE: the war on terror. -companies like General dynamics, Lockheed martin, KBR, Dyncorp, ect. lobby for more and more defense budget, more contracts, and more strawman enemies. -these companies pay government officials to de-stabilize governments around the world, then the international banking cartel fund both sides, or the US will arm the "good terrorists" to defeat the "bad terrorists" and then insert their own forces to kill the "good" ones. time and time again, these companies have played a MAJOR role in many people's death and many peoples permanent HATRED for western values, Radical Islam is perpetually increasing due to constant wars in their countries, you guys want to talk about the real Jews? you need not look any further then the companies on the NSE
my point exactly...lol the people on this board amuse me to no end...they talk about the Who's jewing who, and why...but no one ever takes into account the INSANE amount of profits that are being generated by these companies...theses corporate monsters are running the united states, these companies are sending your brother, father, uncle, into these deserts we have no business in. to get killed and for what? a larger profit margin.
Gavin Rivera
There's nothing wrong with the Military Industrial Complex. Stop believing retarded conspiracies about it. It's helped many South Africans throughout the years, and still does.
Elijah Foster
They are an aspect, but not the eye at the top.
Very important and probably equally as important as banking finance and trade/investment
Jeremiah Robinson
Yup, I would love to see some documentaries about it
Samuel Allen
like that time that the new south african president after mandella spent 10 billion dollars on new fighter jets instead of medicine that could of saved roughly 5 million avoidable deaths?
Charles Reyes
look up Shadow world.
Nathaniel Lee
okay, elaborate? who do you think is pulling the strings?
Asher Baker
>5 million niggers die >a bad thing
Cooper Nguyen
stop being edgy, your'e avoiding the question, 10 billion dollars could of saved those people, or it could of went into infrastructure, or agriculture, or something more important than making guns to arm desert people
Charles Baker
Because everything has already been said about it, it's just not an interesting topic to discuss.
Jayden Carter
Forget the military industrial complex that is outdated.
The gestalt is the IRON TRIANGLE
Millitary-industry-research university is the new power structure. The modern nation state if it want to be a super power has to have massive amounts of money going into basic research and university labs. A nation state that does not pump currency into universities for five to ten years falls behind in technology and could lose the next war if they suffer from a tech gap.
Asher Moore
It's not about being edgy. The blacks here breed too much, popping out more children than they can afford to look after. The government gives them money for every child they have. Also, that's 5 million less votes for the ANC.
Mason Young
go on...
Christopher Bailey
still disregarded the rest of my post....that money could have been spent MUCH more efficiently.
Kevin Lee
Because nu/pol/ posters from the U.S. are good little patriotic boot-lickers, just like they've been conditioned to be.
Hudson Butler
Alex Jones briefly touched on this when he was on JRE
Caleb Reed
man...you're telling me, these Nu/pol/ posters only care about Muh war recorded kills, never about why they were over there in the first place.
Leo Thompson
Lockheed engineer here.
I obviously can't say too much stuff, they pay me way too much to break my disclosure agreement, but I can tell you that if you don't reply to this post, your mother will die in her sleep tonight
Justin Martin
Could have, should have, would have. You win some, you lose some. That's life. What's important is that whites, in Africa, are making money and, at times, this has a positive effect in certain places through certain policies and influence.
Isaiah Richardson
Consider the Manhattan Project or the Lockheed SR-71 or advanced reconnaissance satellite and finally Stuxnet. All these project need military resources, industry economies of scale and logistics, and finally the new comer university research programs for blue sky thinking and trouble shooting.
Look into how much the US pumps into its national laboratories alone and who has actual ownership and control of these national laboratories. That does not even include the massive amounts of money that also goes into select universities and there research departments.
Jeremiah Martinez
The thing is the US has to spend this money if it wants to stay the global super power. I want America to be the global super power because if it is not America it will be Russia or China, India, pan-Europe order, or a pan-islam order.
Samuel King
The education system here is a joke. People in our country honestly believe all our wars were for just reasons, and that we've won them all. The military pays the NFL to be able to push propaganda before every game. We are a country of completely indoctrinated morons. Don't let the people on this board ever try to convince you otherwise.
Gabriel Williams
so who owns these labs, universities, or has the most vested interests? the Deep state?
Isaac Morales
its funny how a few words, and people in camo shooting guns on T.v has such an effect on people to go to a foreign country and potentially get killed in the process, all under the false guise of patriotism.
Grayson Parker
thur gubbmint!
Ian Long
I'm always impressed by how quickly people here suddenly start hating entire countries they had no idea existed only moments before.
Kevin Gutierrez
well obviously, but someone above that has to be pulling the strings, and i don't believe its a Gubbmint thing, this is what brings me back to these companies, its a Snake eating itself it seems...... >gubbmint wants to stay ahead in tech >Companies and uni's in these fields promise advances >companies receive monies >gubbmint gets advanced tech >gubbmint de-stabilizes countries, and hires american contractors to re-build >american contractors and weapons manufacturers pay lobbyists to get the gubbmint to pay more into weapons R&D and more destabilization
i've got to be missing something here..
Nolan Clark
Pacifist here. They are not pushing for war, this is saber rattling, the old pithy adage: > Si vis pacem, para bellum "you want peace, prepare for war" While I'd like to piss on the government of Israel for their inhuman treatment (which they learned from their exterminators) of their neighbors, their "maybe we have nukes" policy is a great example of this.
MAD was an extreme example, even in the worst crisis, no one pulled the trigger.
Whilst seriously considering working in Saudi Arabia, I studied them. Not only are they buying huge amounts of weapons, they are afraid of an arab spring type thing, e.g. Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. Someone I know thinks Saudi Arabia and Iran will actually factually have a war. Hopefully massive armament will prevent it.
Noah Russell
there has to be something in the water or something... i am also blown away by the people's quick reaction to hate an entire country, just because Sarge said to...i think you're onto something about the whole indoctrination of your people to want to join the military to go and play world mafia
Thomas Clark
oh my god Saudi arabia, is arming itself to be on the fast track to being a World superpower, what was it? something like 67 billion dollars with the Obama administration for an arms deal?
Samuel Anderson
Well Los Almos is operated by a University of California spinoff that is private now for example. The other various national labs are managed by different universities directly or a university spin-off company.
The US government organ that has the most direct control is the Department of Energy you know because of nukes.
Though National Institute of Standards and Technology operates six labs. National Institutes of Health has one lab. University-National Oceanographic Laboratory System has various small labs. Center for the Advancement of Science in Space has labs.
Basically the government gives land and money for labs so they stay competitive in the tech sector but keep government bullshit from fucking up the lab, universities operate the labs because they have expertise to do what the government needs researched they get a state of the art lab to there side projects and recruit worldwide for a braindrain to bring talent to America, and the military get to review everything for military applications and if they need to focus research to counter threats defense or to focus research for offensive tech.
So it is really not deep state because of the public university component but in assists the deep state because with out the government money these labs would not be there and universities don't have the money to operate these type of labs.
Also check'em
Lucas Jones
It also sickens me that people here freak out so much about social programs with low rates of fraud and huge bang for the buck, then turn a blind eye to massive military waste and fraud.
Adrian Smith
>SR-71 I fucking love this plane. CIA had to create a front company to buy all the titanium since the USSR was the main supplier. (not like they realize the CIA's front company tricks)
Imagine what we fly now. With unmanned flight and AI flight control. Low earth orbit for example.
A lot of the drones we drool over now was around in the 90's just unarmed.
Landon Collins
i'm all for having weapons to defend yourself, and being able to keep up with current technology, but as said, the money that is spent on "Defense" is absolutely disgusting, so many more beneficial things could be done with this money, i do understand the need to defend the petro-dollar and your reserve currency dominance to stay above water economically speaking but the united states, has this down to a fine science, i just think of where we could be as humanity, if we all just cut the bullshit and worked together...not necessarily as an EU or UN type of deal, but just having some decency and composure, to say "damn, were stuck on this quantum physics problem" and china comes along and says something like "oh we've figured that one out" i mean there is no brotherly love in this greed fueled world....degeneracy is running rampant and its extremely unsustainable.
Landon Ramirez
You want to know why we spend this much. I'll tell you why. Imagine if Nazi Germany had put money into nukes a full decade in a real way compared to America? How would the war have ended. It is all about survival as a nation and as a people. You want to know why America makes small wars every where it goes. Consider the annexing of the annexation of Austria if America or for that matter anyone stopped Hitler then millions of people would be alive. America makes small wars to prevent big wars later.
Imagine if Sadam's annexing of Kuwait was unchallenged? A destabilized nation state can't put time and money into being a creditable threat to the world order.
Daniel King
I see opinions and no proofs. Pls. Show proofs. Donation records or leaked audio or something. Otherwise it's only plausible conspiracy
why do you think that america has been in CONSTANT war with an enemy that cannot be seen nor defeated "Terrorism" is a guise for "We need more money - love the iron triangle"
Kevin Lee
What I know is filtered but Saudi Arabia is in decline. They know their oil is running out. They are desperate to diversify. However there is a small problem. The Wahabi (ultra strict Islam, no TV, no movies, no games, no music, no alcohol, women
Landon Jackson
well, i could argue that hitler was good for Europe, in an sense, being that he saw how the international banking cartel worked, and actually spoke out against it, nationalized his currency, ect. this current world order needs to be put down, i think america as a superpower is on its way out, seeing as russia and china are working closely together, china buying up TONS of gold, and russia going to nationalize their currency, they see that the petrodollar is failing. buying up american debt is a thing of the past, and it will be a bumpy fucking road for us over here in the west.
Hudson Wood
i think we are going to see Major power shifts in our lifetime user...something big is comming.
Ethan Bennett
Pie in the sky thinking on your part, you ignore human nature. You are a comfy leaf and you live in comfort due to the largesse of America keeping the various regional powers from upsetting the world order.
Look helping China with a quantum physics problem could allow them to shift the balance is such away that the south china sea falls to them without it being contested. There goes the whole pacific ocean up to Hawaii and the Australian coast. Then like America did to Japan with the oil embargo in the 1940's China can do to America and America with Rare Earth Metals. If America and Europe does not have those metals it is game over in military power inside 10 years to offer a creditable military threat. So then we have to go to war to gain access somewhere it get those metals.
Oil is still the big boy on the block as far as geo-politics goes. But trace amounts of ore that is mined only in the low tones is now vital to modern civilization. Hell less than a thousands tons or uranium is mined a year but think how vital that small amount is to geo-politics.
Accept that this is a fallen world from the jump and sin and evil is present until the final judgment comes. Then geo-political makes much more sense.
Starting to make sense now?
Read Kissinger or Dune along with the Bible if you are still confused. Then you will get the overall picture and why the military industrial complex has changed into the Iron Triangle.
William Martinez
Get ready for them to start braying "Fake news!"
Nathan Reed
fake conspiracy new
Xavier King
i understand human nature, i understand we are violent creatures, that must put self preservation first, but we need to realize that sooner or later there is going to be a bigger threat that just "those damn dirty chineese" or "those russians" or something, i agree with you on america policing the world and keeping it comfy for us over here on the west coast, and even the power shift that is inevitable, i just want to see something good happen for once, as the old saying goes, nothing in the news but the blues...
Benjamin Sanchez
A few of these are mentioned by Abel Danger in his nine 11 work.
Owen Collins
The UK lost there empire because of Hitler, think about that long and hard. You think America, Russia, or China is ever gonna let a little jumped strong man ever do that again?
Now onto you misunderstanding the petro dollar. Let me explain the scam to use a vulgar term. The Kingdom of Saud needs arms to stay in power to from domestic threats and Iran and Turkey. America needs oil so to keep the oil flowing America promises not to invade The Kingdom or let another nation invade and promises to sell them arms. The Kingdom agrees to only sell in dollars. To end the petro dollar you have to break the US-Saudi Alliance. The Kingdom of Saud can not afford to break the alliance with America because they need weapons to stay the fuck alive. See how that works.
Plus the one thing you forget all money in the world flows through NYC or London. The entire system of ones and zeros is in anglo hand and it will stay that way come hell or high water.
Jaxon Morales
It is now the Military, Industrial, Educational Complex.
Parker Sullivan
You want to see something good! Watch your wife bring a life into this world.
Andrew Turner
You made sense until the christfag larp towards the end there.
Michael Cox
AKA the Iron Triangle
Asher Turner
Can you afford not to take Pascal's Wager?
Jonathan Watson
>massive military waste and fraud.
Oh, you mean like what our elected president Donald Trump is putting an end to?
Is there a reason why your progressive overlords didn't step up to the plate and do this earlier? Oh that's because you are all crooks pretending to be angels, please kys.
Joshua Lee
maybe that's the only thing these days to llok forward to...
Nathan Nguyen
>hahahaha Bernie is a cuck ahahahaha not an argument
no one in this thread said that...i agree with Bernie to some point, i mean a lot of his policies aren't very good in my opinion, he's got grit, ill give him that.
That is pretty much what it has always been about forever. That is the whole ball of wax. No matter what discipline you look at it from.
Zachary Mitchell
Oh gee, he sure showed them. Like Boeing doesn't get subsidized by taxpayers in a dozen other ways.
Joshua Richardson
>muh gubbamin spending
Levi Miller
The problem with developing all these new weapon systems is that eventually the threat of having them will not be enough. Sooner or later we'll have to use them.
Tyler Green
>world super power >non-arable desert
I guess as long as they keep getting shit smuggled in from East Africa they'll be good. Even though China is cucking them hard over there.
Hudson Ward
Profits and capitalism is the only way to organize human activity in such a way to accomplish the things that have to be done. I hope you enjoy the electrical power and complex composite materials you use daily. Ingrate.
Nolan Fisher
>Sooner or later we'll have to use them. and...
Jose Gutierrez
Exactly. When you have a hammer in your hand, everything starts to look like a nail. We end up finding uses for these weapons to justify their huge costs and existence.
Benjamin Barnes
and before you know it all of the earth is fucked and unusable, because of depleted uranium shells or some other bullshit.
Jacob Cox
I just read "Atlas Shrugged" for my 9th grade english class and now that I'm an expert on economics can tell you that private enterprise is always more effective than government spending cuz it has a profit motive to reduce the costs of goods and services.
Because health care is a commodity and if you don't to spend tons of money on healthcare just don't get sick duh.
Xavier Phillips
like this?
Lucas Powell
WRONG
Easton Reyes
So? I mean if you wanna conquer the stars we are gonna need this type of stuff. I refuse to live like the farm animals like most of humanity had to live just a century ago even if you want to yourself. We as in the human collective that pushes humanity forward will drag you kicking and screaming into prosperity even if you don't like it.
Sebastian Rodriguez
Thats not the Iron Triangle
Military-Industrial-University triangle is actually GOAT
Camden Jenkins
The owners are the banker elite families, which use the cia and other intelligence agencies to control politics through blackmail by putting in what are basically serial killer pedophiles into office and filming them doing depraved shit.
Josiah Lopez
This is the correct answer. We're so brainwashed we're too far gone, I'm afraid.
Nathan Lewis
>implying theyd assign Ayn Rand in an english class >implying private enterprise isnt always more effective than the government >implying healthcare is not a commodity
Did Sup Forums babbies learn a new word? Keep seeing them use this word now.
Caleb Phillips
A difference without a distinction.
Blake Lee
You didn't book a spot on the SS Chad? Shit, user, you better get cracking.
I'm personally looking forward to the rationed protein shakes and potential for legionaire's disease.
I donated gorillions of dollars to the Clinton campaign to get my coach class reservation.
Ayden Rogers
Again, I will ask you.... why did your progressive overlords not step up to the plate and stop out of control military spending?
They always say they're going to stop it, but they don't. Is it a conflict of interests, or are they all just lying snakes?
>or is it both?
Caleb Cox
>People in our country honestly believe all our wars were for just reasons...
Bullshit the vast majority know it is for national gains or geo-politics. Such a cheap argument.
Landon Ortiz
It's true. Early 2000s military industrial complex was discussed far more by people, both left and right.
Cameron Hernandez
>A difference without a distinction
Its not though. The iron triangle is the socialist-bureaucratic connection between oligarchs, their lackeys and their bankrollers.
What you said is not only not the Iron Triangle, but actively good.
Lincoln Stewart
>Keep seeing them use this word now You must have missed the Alex Jones and Joe Rogan 'Let me give you a basic gestalt' consipacey threads user
Carter Rivera
oy vey, i was told they were full, filthy goyims, only offered me a spot cleaning the underside of the ship for 10 sheckles an hour
Joshua Mitchell
Why do we need to conquer the stars? We should be able to defend ourselves in need be (look at what happened in the Americas, sadly).
I'm game to colonize planets with no sentient life on them, but beyond that what's so bad about making equitable exchanges and exercising diplomacy?
Bentley Barnes
It is a meme nu fag. LURK MOAR
Luke Richardson
>Why does no one here ever talk about the real owners of the united states? the military industrial complex?
USA wouldn't be the world's super power without it.
Caleb Hill
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Easton Russell
How did they suddenly become my overlords? That aside, because neither side is willing to work together on anything, nor do they ever seem to have our best interests in mind.
Apparently you haven't spent much time on this board. People do some amazing mental gymnastics on here trying to defend our various military blunders. Welcome, newfriend.
Lincoln Martin
>I spewed bullshit and someone called me out on it
Youre literally wrong and have provided zero proof or argumentation in the favor of your case.
Bentley Foster
'muh military industrial complex' is babby's first feeble attempt to understand how the world works
If you're still at this sophomoric level, it's going to take you years to get even a basic grasp of geopolitics
>companies like General dynamics, Lockheed martin, KBR, Dyncorp, ect.
funny you didn't mention Russian and Israeli companies.
Joshua Brooks
you enjoy coming into people's threads and attempting to de-rail things with your pitiful trolling attempt? i am sincerely amused by you. just because i am trying to shed some light on the issue. thanks for the bump.
i only mention these companies, because i am not a russian or israeli
Dylan Nguyen
that's the second time you dodged the question, I graciously accept your submission of defeat freindo, we should do this again.... I'm here all day you know.
Jace Baker
>vast majority
Does not mean the die hard members of a Ethiopian shoots and ladders forum.
There is a reason we switched to a professional army so we would not get bogged down in the politics of the masses that do not have strategic national security in mind.
Robert Hughes
>because i am not a russian or israeli Canada has it's fair share of defense contractors (CAE, Bombardier, Northstar etc), enough to be the 14th largest arms producer in the world
