>capitalism is better than communism Then why did the USSR beat the USA into space?
>>>>b-b-b-but we got onto the moon first Yeah, with publicly funded research inspired by the Soviet system that you then immediately abandoned afterwards, which is why nothing has been done in space in decades.
>>>>muh tesla! muh spacex! Their entire business model is servicing government installations or launching satellites for private companies that are cribbed from government designs.
Face it: the free market doesn't innovate. It iterates.
>Australia boasting Russian accomplishments to attack America.
Chase Lewis
The USSR was ultimately an authoritarian regime with centralised power that could only efficiently focus on one thing at one time.
The free market in America ensured the internet was invented multiple times in multiple places so there were multiple things to hook up and call the internet. The free market is a more automatic system and is therefore a more efficient system.
Xavier Collins
you did it because you were putting heavy investments and committing lots of brains on rocket technology, since it could deliver nuclear warheads directly into the US. no wonder Russia has the best rockets in the world.
Technological progress comes from research and, provided some source of income, has nothing to do with the economic system followed by the host country.
Capitalism is better than communism because it satisfies the desires and need of the people n such a way that no planified economy could ever hope to mimic. The result of communism is scarcity and economic stagnation, such as the one that loomed over the Brejnev government in the USSR. That's because a planified economy simply can't work, as you take away the most basic concepts of economy, such as the tension between demands and offers.
Brandon Jenkins
>The USSR was ultimately an authoritarian regime with centralised power that could only efficiently focus on one thing at one time. They only lacked processing power.
Given enough computers the USSR will rise again.
Camden King
They lacked motivation. They lacked reason. The USSR killed reason. A branch of Marxism is killing reason today.
How can you even larp this?
Jordan Cook
Depends on what you mean by these buzz words 'motivation' and 'reason'.
Progress isn't everything. Developing the human condition is more important.
Carson Lewis
Fuck this is refreshing for someone to make an actual argument that is not boring and retarded, You're an autistic commie edgelord, but still!
Really jolts the old neck bolt
Xavier Jenkins
holy shit, this was defcon 2016?!
Adam Ross
the space race was the first to put a man on the moon. the usa did that so the usa won
>nothing has been done in space in decades. so it's a bait thread
Ian Morales
>communism is better than capitalism Then why did the USSR collapse in on itself?
>b-b-b-but we got to space first Yeah, through slavery and the corpses of tens of millions of starving poor
>muh science! muh growth! The Soviets relied on German scientists to get them to space just like the Allies did. And that growth doesn't mean crap when it is unsustainable and doesn't lead to high quality of life for anyone involved.
Face it: Communism doesn't innovate. It iterates.
Isaiah Cruz
Developing the human condition is a matter of developing culture, you could rip off any western nation for a developed political system and religious systems are imported only by some convincing words or by the sword.
Culture is key.
It's not uncommon for authoritarian regimes and those approaching it to dabble in culture engineering and it usually fails. If you completely wallop the successful until you have an Orwellian class of successful or potentially successful people made scared of the very people they serve, there's going to be problems. This kind of culture produces the opposite of innovation.
Wake up and realise that socialism is just a message, it's the question: can't we simply hold the successful people back to let others ahead so we can all be equal?
I'll answer, no. No that's evil. And no, we can't have ice cream for dinner, that will make you fat.
Adrian Bennett
communism is the zapp brannigan of the economic system world. anything will work if you throw wave after wave of your own men at it.
Bentley Allen
>It's not uncommon for authoritarian regimes and those approaching it to dabble in culture engineering and it usually fails. This is true.
Stalin reversed alot of Soviet policies for the better. Unbanned the Orthodox Church, supported traditional family structure, penalised homos etc. Even purged the jew (which got him poisoned, but that's another story).
It is not an either/or question. Marxism-Leninism was a revolutionary policy which later became administrative Stalinism which worked quite well. The worst thing for the USSR was that he was assassinated.
I do, however, accepted the rest. USSR was severe, gulags were bad, workers were made honest. But that is part of the gig. Stalin actually rejected too much automation in the factories because 'it would make them weak'. Even prisoners in the gulag were recognised by Stalin, sent a post card every year. Take from that what you will, but Senpai noticed.
There is more here than memes and 'muh evil dictator'.
Blake Lee
They invested everything they had into space and bankruotted themselves. The USA started out slow and ended up on top.
Michael Russell
>communism is better than capitalism
Then how'd the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia collapse?
Checkmate, communists.
Ethan Anderson
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Jayden Young
>Then why did the USSR beat the USA into space?
Because the US cared about getting it's astronauts back alive.
Owen Anderson
>research inspired by the Soviet system No >The Soviets relied on German scientists to get them to space just like the Allies did. No
Matthew Nguyen
>No Yes.
Also we wouldn't have anime if it wasn't for capitalism.
>John Glenn was launched on a rocket with a 30% failure rate
Angel Barnes
If the Soviet infrastructure was so great then why did they end up eating their babies
Asher Hall
still made it to the moon. >b-but russia put a dog in orbit while their people starved and the dog lasted a solid week up there before it died Russia made a dog and some unmanned satellites go just a few thousand miles above the ground and couldn't even get them back down. We made it past the finish line, we won the space race. Get over it communigger
Tyler Nguyen
>second no Ever heard of Op. Paperclip or Werhner von Braun?
Mason Evans
Irrespective of economic system, the Russians had plenty of intellectual capital focused on rocketry, long before their space program started in sincerity. Glushko, Korolev, even Tsiolkovsky from the Tsarist era - all Russian rocketry experts who were well ahead of Von Braun prior to Stalin's purges. They didn't need any Germans to compete, nor did they use any. In fact it's safe to say that Communism/Stalinism HELD BACK Russian advancement in the field of rocketry, and gave the US a fighting chance in the Space Race.
Prior to WWII, all America really had was Goddard, who was far from an intellectual capable of masterminding an entire space program. All the American intellectual titans were dedicated to other fields of study, like electrical technology and industrial processes. If it weren't for the paperclip scientists immigrating to the land of opportunity, Russia (even with their godawful Communist government managing things) would have left the US in the dust.
Kayden Morales
Yes, they went to America. They helped America. What German scientist in his right mind would choose the Soviet Union over America?
Samuel Nguyen
>In fact it's safe to say that Communism/Stalinism HELD BACK Russian advancement in the field of rocketry Well, yeah, obviously. I thought this was a communism vs. capitalism thread? If the Soviets were capitalist and free, I'd imagine that they quite possibly could have gotten to the moon before us. I'm not arguing with you on that.
Blake Bailey
>choose
Tyler Ross
It's public knowledge that the Peenemunde scientists packed up, grabbed what documents they could and fled West in the final months of the war, so they could surrender to Americans instead of the Bolshevik hordes. It was absolutely their own conscious choice.
Aiden Brooks
I only contested two false assertions, which had only to do with historicity. I'm not really trying to comment one way or the other on the politics of the situation (beyond the obvious).
