Why are socialist countries in Europe have a such low birth rate?

why are socialist countries in Europe have a such low birth rate?

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can't afford kids. High taxes

BASICALLY THIS

if you want kids you europoopers better be willing to part with your welfare state.

I don't think there are a lot of people on welfare in eastern european countries, but we also have low birth rates, how does socialism come into play here?

because socialism empowers feminism which gives way to the Matriarchal society that exists today that they are in denial about. Feminists don't have babies, they view the role of the mother as abhorrent. In short, it makes your country brown and destroys your society and culture in just a few generations. The public schools that brain wash kids into never wanting to have children until they are 30+ and promotes condoms and birth control and never getting married is not a mistake.

its not welfare itself but, stuff like free healthcare and such are paid for with very heavy taxes.

start up government programs that benefit people for having kids.

I haven't heard of feminist movements in Estonia
the health care in Estonia isn't free, you need to actually be employed to get it also if you want higher quality health care you pay 13% more in income taxes I think

you better start listening to those based americans because KEK is clearly with them.

and yes it's not THAT complicated. The theft of resources from the successful discourages family planning.
Birth rates will start going up again as soon as all the smart people are dead are fled the country, then you have millions of poorfags fucking like rabbits and living in slums, ethiopia-style.

Fuck socialism, fuck the welfare state. FUCK em to the moon.

When you have financial security you don't need kids (because they take away the money/fun).
When you have no money kids are your richness (see 3rd world poor).

We choose kids or wealth, with a preference for wealth because wealth nags and cries less.

If you want kids made create poverty (see birthrate rise in Great Depression/WW2)

This, having kids is just too fucking expensive these days. Some couples who have good stable jobs are willing to make the sacrifice, but most other people just don't give a shit about it, they all have the "me, me, me" mentality anyway.

>haven't heard of feminist movements in estonia
>female president
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kersti_Kaljulaid
>majority atheist 54% only 24% Christian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia#Religion
>far left controls parliament
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_Centre_Party

Are you new?

Because it was designed that way you fucking idiot

You probably believe communism was invented by Russians too, don't you?

That is false though

The least "socialist" countries in Europe have less children than say Norway/Denmark/Sweden/Iceland.

Honestly it's not so much socialism as it is the cost of living in general in most developed countries. Most Americans in very developed and wealthy parts of the country don't have many kids either.

>cost of living
kids cost hardly anything. You seem to being a pass to how consumerism and a material lifestyle has been uplifted in the west over having a large family and a modest lifestyle. It's ok, your Brown grandchildren will realize this point.

>kids cost hardly anything

your inexperience at life is showing.

do you pay 48% taxes?
If you earn 3200 euro and keep 2100, your rent is 800 - 1000 and you are maintaining internet access, a car, and buy food for lets say 600 a month, how much will remain?

sure, if you shrink your life to a bare minimum without hobbies - yeah that can work.
Why would anybody do that?
Why have kinds?

that's right goyim, don't have kids, you should value you nice care and easy lifestyle above all else. You shouldn't have to make sacrifices or even slight inconveniences. Hedonism is the way. Temporary bliss is the only thing in life worth pursuing.
>replying twice to the same comment
how fucking triggered you are.

you know, I think you don't realize how socialism works.
If you buy a TV in Austria, or just "have" an internet connection, you will have to pay 30€ a month to the state Tv network - it's irrelevant if you consume their "program" (it is socialist propaganda at CNN levels of retarded) or not. Just the fact that you have a device that could be technically capable of recieving the public broadcast network is their justification to steal from you.
When you die in an accident, the state is entitled to remove your working organs and sell them via public health care. If you don't want that, fuck you - you have to sign tons of paperwork to prevent that from happening, its an opt-out system.
If you go to the doctor in socialism, the doc has exactly 7 minutes to make a diagnosis or refer you to a specialist that also has exactly 7 minutes for the same job, per patient.
If you go to the dentist and need a filling on a front tooth, it's going to be amalgamated and ugly unless you pay with private money which costs 200 euro per tooth. So if you say "I don't want the crappy expensive useless state insurance" you can go fuck yourself, you HAVE to pay. Even if you don't use the service or prefer not to look like a complete idiot.
I could go on and on.
Socialism kills the soul. Without a soul, fuck having children.

again, why have kids?
You give no reasons at all.

>replying 3x to the same comment
holy shit... has this ever happened before?

>why are socialist countries in Europe have a such low birth rate
>again, why have kids?
You are a great example to answer OPs question.

arguments: 0
Answers to my questions: 0

you are a sophist

Not enough have discovered black cock. Their whore women still suffer with their beta white orbiter. Within five years these whores will discover the superior black and Arab meat, and then they'll be happy to incubate man seed. Thus ensuring a strong child.

I have to confess to not having read your "Wall'o'Text" especially after your Third reply to my comment. I've never seen someone get so irrationally and unjustifiably angry over an innocuous comment like this. You sir are a fine example of why Europe is doomed.

they are "cultured" according to them
ask any westernigger and he will call any traditional person names and laugh at him

point of life is apparently to party all the time smoke weed and fuck bitches

>ID: gook
don't post any more gook

>socialist countries in Europe
There are socialist countries in Europe?

Because white boys know they are inferior to powerful BBC and they can't compete

The people proposing economic reasons are clearly in the wrong. Observe how the orthodox Jews in Brooklyn have a very high fertility rate, while the hipsters do not have any kids at all. The answer is obviously ideology. Europeans, like Asians and Turks, believe in things that are detrimental to reproduction. The main culprit is of course feminism, but the whole nihilism thing does it on it's own. If society is going to function in the long run you need people to sincerely believe in stuff that binds them together, subordinates women to men, and generally inculcates good values.

Other groups that testify to my account
>russian old believers
>the amish
>mormons
>muslims in Europe

>high taxes
>higher prices for baby stuff
>no time to actually take care and enjoy your kids
>heavy expenses during pregnancy and after, until he completes his course of study


and those are just the first reasons that comes to mind