>wake up >proletariat still being exploited for surplus labour value
Charles Smith
Enoch was the best Prime Minister we never had
Jeremiah Parker
Need betting predictions for todays' footy matches.
Kevin Campbell
I'm just up, if there are any good articles to include in the next OP; link them here.
Gabriel Walker
Our Nige is a star. Shame he isn't an MP.
John Scott
neck yourself "I have and always will set my face like flint against making any difference between one citizen of this country and another on grounds of his origins"
Michael Harris
New Irish National Party calls Civic Nationalism is weak and advocates Ethnic Nationalism.
Get fucked, Brits. Our non-establishment party are based unlike KEKIP
Yes. They have Discipline and are incredibly racist. More racist than you could ever imagine.
Jeremiah Fisher
No, but they're only 3 months old. Give it time
Easton Fisher
How the fuck am I meant to know that his Flag thing is a VPN?
>Fucking technology.
Alexander Edwards
Yes
Jace Powell
That quote was from a few years prior to the rivers of blood speech. I think it's fair to say he evolved on that issue. By the '90s he even said in an interview "there's nothing wrong with being a racist"
Christopher Bell
I was never a supporter of Tony Benn but it would've been interesting alternative history if he somehow became Prime Minister.
Brody Bailey
Hopefully he will not get reelected
In 2015, after Ethiopian Jewish protests against police brutality, Netanyahu said: "We will bring a comprehensive plan to the government to assist you in every way. There is no room for racism and discrimination in our society, none ... We will turn racism into something contemptible and despicable."
Gabriel Scott
Well maybe tone it down a bit, UKIP maybe a meme party but at least they exist. Well normally you wouldn't be able to tell. But the scot nonce is a regular here and uses a VPN. Over time you will start to pick him out easily.
Nolan White
>nonce Wrong >VPN wrong
Cameron Russell
Should I get jaw surgery after getting my braces off or join the military? I've wanted to serve since I was little sucks that I'm in this position. I've got a pretty bad over bite.
Ryan Garcia
When's the YouTube channel coming out?
Jonathan Richardson
Well some kind of spoofing technology. And you're a nonce.
Liam Wilson
Post rivers of blood, maybe. Hugh "Fuck no EU" Gaitskell is up there.
While I'm not a commie, that doesn't seem to be the case. The objection seems to be the rate of gain, not the gain itself. i.e. wage-labour might well benefit me, but it's benefiting you more because you're the one in the position of power. if I/workers create say 100 units of wealth, but you get 90 and we get 10 because you own capital infrastructure in itself built by workers, maintained by workers, with resources from workers, etc etc etc, just for your position as a co-ordinator at best or a stock-exchange gambler, that's the problem.
Though that might be my own interpolation based on irritation at wage stagnation thanks to outsourcing/immigration/intentional mass unemployment. (All solvable without killing capitalism.)
*Not being a commie, I'm not entirely sure how this works. Capitalism is necessary to bring all the capital together, but then I guess the proles figure it out for themselves or something.
Owen Rodriguez
kek wrong quote, but a good one.
Gabriel Evans
your channel sucks
Oliver Edwards
So are you proposing the workers and the capitalists are paid equal amounts, or that the capitalists should still be paid more than his workers but the gap between wages should be decreased.
Connor Thompson
Bet everything you own on Palace not winning, it's basically like free money.
Angel Jackson
join, do training and then go to the med center on your first day and ask them to sort it for you
Joseph Fisher
Found this on the Bank of England website
What do you think?
Carter Hill
Mr non-nonce who is spoofing IP.
Where in London can I get Irn-Bru; It's fucking scarce.
That and Longley farm cottage cheese is a mission to get in London.
Colton Sanchez
Will your jaw effect you joining the military? If not join the military and they pay for all your dental and medical care, this includes any surgery you may need. You'll also get some nice sick leave while you recover from your surgery all fully payed.
Nathaniel Perry
Being opposed to Capitalism doesn't mean you have to be in favour of Communism. That is some Hegelian trap.
Isaiah Lewis
>Consider suicide Consider going back on medication.
Liam Williams
Cheers for that; will tell my nephew to apply.
Also can;t do a worse job than Mark > "I Never ever raise Interest rates and preside over QE Asset bubbles." Carney
Jayden Hall
For a commie, he had the intelligence and love of country to realise the EU was a bad thing for the UK. He also had experience of being the UK's representative on the EU Council. There's a video of him saying just how futile it was for him to be there because it was impossible to influence or block the proposals given to the Council by the Commission. He said it was, 'The worst time of his life.
Adam Carter
>will tell my nephew to apply. What
Alexander Lee
No, join and save up for the surgery then. I think they may even cover the costs for you.
I want to get quite a lot of work done on my face in the future.
WHAT THE FUCK??? How dare those euro fascists protect our human rights! Must be part of their plan to build the 4th Reich.
REEEEE
Connor Kelly
They are the most ethnically homogeneous country and they want to keep it that way. This is great of course but the challenge they have is the demographics of an ageing population. Their economy is also the biggest debt bubble of all advanced economies.
Mason Taylor
Under communism/socialism: Neither. My mind is wandering so I can't even articulate my understanding of how it actually works. (I think really, they want to eliminate wage-labour anyway, even if only to replace it with labour-vouchers or something, which sounds like a euphemism for money but has some interesting practical distinctions en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_voucher#Outline .)
Under capitalism I'm mainly drawn to policies that would in practice lower the wage gap, but not have that as an overarching policy goal. (Via, for example, the restoration of full employment to a policy consideration, a less dogmatic position on free trade and free movement, etc. But also ideally multilateral controls on the flow of capital to ensure the domestic-wealthy are wedded to the national interest by their own finances.)
I'm just clarifying that I'm not a communist or socialist, since it was implied jestingly in the first post.
Jose Nguyen
Oh, you thought I was white?
Easton Jenkins
my grandad was a rhodie so am i 1/4 african?
Colton Gutierrez
Though I disagree with the commie comment >He was Socialist You are right; All the people that said he was mad, all agreed with him in the 90's and beyond - Once he;d lost political influence of course.
Had he been a manipulator and a Snake he would have gone far.
Agreed about Europe; He convinced me to vote Leave.
Had he and Bob Crow or a very big Left figure supported Brexit it would have helped.
Dominic Morgan
>wake up >still can't transform the values of commodities - based on their socially necessary labour content, according to his labour theory of value - into the competitive prices of the marketplace.
>Individuals need to be protected from coercion >Collective action against an individual is wrong. >Businesses are individuals. (Or even if you don't accept that, the CEO is an individual.) >A strike, or a change in government policy to force the business to say, pay a better wage, would be coercive and bad, so the power has to be taken away from governments. (And governments should therefore be allowed to pass anti-union laws, but not anti-business laws, although I think there's a bit of the Hayek-y "so long as the regulation affects everyone equally..." which in practice means "So long as my pals gain from it...")
Theresa May's Brexit plans are neoliberal globalisation on steroids because the only way to succeed is to massively deregulate, globalise and open ourselves to the world (as supported by 'economists for brexit')... and there's a fair chance it will still leave us worse off overall, whilst at the same time completely fucking over the poor and increasing inequality. Their end goal is the UK becoming a low tax, light regulation, little welfare, offshore free market hub. They want to get Brexit through first, and later on present that transformation as the only viable economic future for the country.
Goodbye workers' rights. Goodbye environmental protections. Goodbye British industry. Goodbye NHS. Goodbye Housing. Goodbye Local Services.
The majority of people who voted for Brexit will get the opposite of what they actually want. Whether they realise or not (or admit it), and THEY are going to be the ones hit by Brexit more than anyone else. People have voted against something they're unhappy with (whether right or wrong) and they are only going to get EVEN MORE of it thanks to their vote. It's a fucking shambles.
Hudson White
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Isaiah Parker
>The technocratic part of how it's run is actually fascinating. It's completely undemocratic by design in what comes across as a libertarian's fever dream. Yes, I was smashing this into pro-EU people's faces for months leading up to the referrendum. We would get those stupid uninformed statements like, 'The EU is democratic' so I prepared a paste in description of the EU institutions that shows your point... anti-democratic BY DESIGN.
>So you've got the Euro, for example, which is basically designed to cluster-bomb the economic policy options of European governments. Absolutely. When the Euro Zone was created, many of us were calling it out then as economically unworkable in the long-term given the fiscal, economic and cultural diversity between member countries. When Greece and other peripheral countries joined, it was obvious that it was again something that was designed to fail - failure being the asset rape of Greece which is profiting German Banks and Goldman Sachs et al.
>tfw the best song about the fate of Britain was written by potato niggers
Adrian Flores
>Be me as I try to contemplate the refined intellectual conversation on Brit /pol
Easton Hughes
>Goodbye workers' rights. Goodbye environmental protections. Goodbye British industry. Goodbye NHS. Goodbye Housing. Goodbye Local Services.
The UK already has laws for all of these issues, and in most cases are better than EU laws. And British industry already fucked off decades ago.
William Edwards
How do I go back to threads like this for reference as you've all fucking elevated some sensational points.?
Gavin Jones
what are you? what are you doing here?
Chase Reed
Why does he look so weird here ?
John Jackson
If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?
Blake Russell
To laugh.
Adrian Reed
Nice copy and paste from a few days ago.
Gabriel Carter
Watched a couple millennial woes videos and sadly I'm getting into him He's quite calming
Nathaniel Hill
>The majority of people who voted for Brexit will get the opposite of what they actually want. I'm 100% pro Brexit but your gloomy outlook is a possibility only because we have been sold down the river by our establishment including a succession of MP's going back to Harold Wilson and before. However, leaving the EU is in itself not a bad thing - quite the opposite. One simply has to accept the reality that were headed down the rabbit hole of an anti-democratic EU who's unelected Eurocrats are/were pushing us ever closer to the EU superstate scenario - with ever greater controls over every aspect of people's lives.
Even if your gloomy 'worst case' opinion turns out to be true, it's still a better outcome than staying in the EU. However, because we will have a sovereign Parliament again, it's up to the British People to take more control of events/policies and this is definitely possible. Remember, when Edward Heath quietly put the 'European Communities Act, 1972' through Parliament, he was effectively taking Primacy over the UK Parliament away from the British People and giving it to anti-democratic institutions in Brussels. Brexit will include the repeal of this ACT. This is a major factor why I voted to leave the EU.
Asher Sanders
looks sunburnt
Andrew Cox
The world's fucked. Let it go.
Xavier Rodriguez
To check 'em.
Owen Evans
>get fucked over while singing whatever the fucking EU national anthem is or >get fucked over while singing god save the queen
I'll take the second one.
Lucas Davis
You're thinking far too deeply about this. The Tories want one thing: power.
Their entire "hard Brexit" strategy is political posturing designed to capture the Leave vote and shut down UKIP. They probably haven't thought about how exactly it'll work out or what they'll do once we're out. They just want to be able to claim to have delivered the "Brexit people voted for" at the next election.
Sebastian Powell
>I'll take the second one. Well summed up lad. There's a shite load that could be written to verify that what you've said it bang on but your words tell the truth.
Ryder Cox
>refined conversation >copy and paste form Wikipedia
Hudson Long
What I find fascinating isn't so much the anti-democratic element, as the sheer "evil" of it. I mean, if you were working towards a communist European superstate I could see the idealistic case for it (and to some extent I suppose the deregulatory/competitive aspects do work towards that. It'd be odd to have a totally different regulatory regime in, say, Scotland as part of the UK, although Scotland does have her own legal system.) but that doesn't seem to be the aim. The aim seems best approximated by either German national interest or by "We don't know, but for a heuristic just assume pure evil.", as with Greece. It's actually
Naturally being outside the Euro we've been shielded from the worst of it and it becomes something more of a case of principle (And "Brexit:The Movie" Certainly didn't help set me at ease with making a vote of principle given the plunge it could lead to, replacing anti-democratic mandatory neoliberalism with "voluntary" neoliberalism from an electorate terrified Corbyn's going to eat their dog.) which was still sufficient. De Gaulle was right in the 60s to say that England is fundamentally maritime. (And while I've no sympathy for EU institutions, there's some truth to the idea we were America's route into Europe.)
youtube.com/watch?v=9eHizOZdjyA Mark Blyth is pretty interesting on the insanity of the Euro. It's a shame I'd not been shown his videos before the referendum. (While mostly about the Euro, and in turn not directly relevant to us, it helps to show the kind of institutions the EU's glued together with.)
Evan Harris
>Oooooh FIGHT!
Lucas Gonzalez
- Who the fuck are you?
>Be British >Be northern >Be Muh 2nd gen immigrant >Be a dirty bastard >Discover brit /Pol >Have a hernia from all the KEK.
Ayden Bell
If you think the Tories will allow the law protecting workers to remain once they become optional, you're in for a shock. The whole point of "taking back control" was deregulation, so the protections workers were afforded by the EU could be removed. The EU sets a minimum floor, beyond which member states are free to build upon.
>muh unelected eurocrats
EU president - approved and elected by the EU commission and EU parliament. EU commission - appointed by elected Governments. EU parliament - elected by the population of the EU on a PR system. Council of Europe - formed of democratically elected leaders of European nations.
Monarchy - gets job by dint of accident of birth. House of Lord's - gets job by dint of accident of birth or appointed by MPs. House of Commons - institution where a party which received around 35% of the vote gets a majority of seats through FPTP.
>muh superstate/army
The UK opted out of a further political union, just like the UK has opted out of treaties numerous times in the past.
>muh sovereignty
Not only is UK not gaining any sovereignty, it's loosing a ton of influence. From one of the biggest global players, creating framework for European economy and foreign policy, it's reduced to desperately seeking allies and trade agreements on the other side of the globe, bending over backwards for Trump just days after his inauguration. It's going to cede sovereignty bit by bit across the globe as we scrabble for trade deals.
It always amused when when they were banging on about sovereignty, a point illustrated by the fact that we didn't need to ask the EU to hold a referendum, they just held one and told the EU we're leaving. The sovereignty issue has always been bullshit, the parliament website has this listed for ages, but people were fed emotional guff about sovereignty that's just not true, parliament is king, scarily so in our awful system.
Chase Ross
>Tell him to join a union
Carson Miller
>British >2nd gen immigrant Pick one. Ethnicity?
Aiden Gomez
>The EU sets a minimum floor, beyond which member states are free to build upon. so why have the tories kept things the same instead of cutting all the way down to the minimum floor? could it be because there is broad public support for workers rights? even within the tory party?
>muh tories kill yourself you mongoloid
Angel Cook
>so why have the tories kept things the same instead of cutting all the way down to the minimum floor? Because we haven't left the EU yet.
Elijah Sanchez
His voice is a bit weird but good ideas
Owen Stewart
I ve driven yktd out- you're next
Andrew Murphy
Go home, Grzegorz
Nolan Reed
>Not only is UK not gaining any sovereignty You talk nothing but shite. This isn't the best example, but it fits. The Snooper's Charter just got done over by the ECJ, that is a direct assault on our sovereignty. By getting out of the EU we can snoop on our people's wanking habits as much as we like. That means we gained back our sovereignty.
Now go away Hans, we don't like Germans and we don't like the EU.
Brody Howard
You didn't even come visit me. Go back to Ireland's thread and tell them how the free market would never have allowed the Potato Famine to occur.
Leo Hill
>Mixed ethnicity. >South Asian + Persian
Adam Williams
>the sheer "evil" of it. There is definitely a globalist elite aim to it... destroy the middle-class and dumb down everyone else to the level of a new Serfdom. This is part of what we could label as NWO. To this extent, yes it is evil.
>Brexit:The Movie A good red pill I thought. That video gave me a lot of things to dig deeper into. We should never have joined but we were lied to.
>Mark Blyth has been excellent. Considering he's a left-leaning liberal academic, he has been exceptionally academically honest and thorough. If only it were so for other Liberal academics. I tried to red pill my 'Liberal' acquaintances with Mark Blyth but they didn't want to accept the message - all totally blinkered.
John Nelson
Savage
Noah Lewis
Fleetwood Southend Carlisle Notts County
£1 yankee 50p win & btts yankee
Samuel Ramirez
>losing influence
Most EU regulation is made at the global level at the WTO or CODEX. In the EU we have no influence because the EU "represents our interests" at the global level.
The simple point about EU "democracy" is that the people who set the legislative adjenda - the commission - are not directly accountable to the EU populace or an opposition. There's no way of getting around that fact.
What Remainers always forget is that the EU is on a trajectory towards either further integration and centralisation of power or death. The latter being more likely with the EU currency.
Blake Baker
Yeah, you're not British at all. If you're not native, you're not British. This isn't America where anyone can just be American, we're British by birthright and bloodline.
Thomas James
He just wanted access to more kiddies from Brussels.
Plus the monetarist economists admitted the whole IMF bailout in the 70's didn't need to happen but was a systematic attempt to accelerate the neo-liberal project.
