What is your excuse for not having read Julius Evola yet, Sup Forums?
> Most based Italian since Julius Caesar. > Baron by birth, based by upbringing and insight. > Only person criticising Fascism from the Right instead of the Left. > Saw some hope for Nazi Germany embodied in the SS as a new elite order of pagan knights, but thought NSG in general was "too populist" and "not elitist enough". > Unapologetic racist. > Basically a neo-feudalist who glorifies war as a kind of personal spiritual journey that gives spiritual absolution through heroism. His critique of modern war was the effectiveness of the weaponry, because it removed the heroic act of hand-to-hand combat to the death. > Denies equality and equalness as a moral "good". Instead he wants to tun these ideals on their heads, so "good" is defined basically as "awe inspiring heroic greatness and superiority of body and mind". > Esotericist and mysticist who self-identified as a "catholic pagan", because that was the closest he could get to the ideals of antique Rome.
And the most bizarrely based saved for last:
> DURING BOMBING RAIDS ON ROME, HE WALKED AROUND THE CITY STREETS IN ORDER TO "PONDER HIS DESTINY". HE DID THIS UNTIL HIS SPINE WAS HIT BY SHRAPNEL AND HE COULD WALK NO MORE.
> He requested to have his ashes poured into a hole in a glacier in the Alps.
I stand corrected, although it can be argued "The Prince" is a cynical and ironic work, and he didn't agree with it morally himself. Machiavelli wrote the entire thing after being tortured quite extensively by Medici. Could just be a cynical work of anger.
Evola is basically Machiavellianism embodied.
Nolan Sanders
Just Imagine the shame I feel for the fact that he is not even considered by history books
Alexander Nguyen
He seems so based and I want to like him but I'm not sure his philosophy is compatible with neo-feudal, nativist traditionalist Hoppe libertarianism.
Aaron Hughes
Political opinions are becoming like genders, people make-up some stupid shit that doesn't make sense and no one else can relate to it
Brayden Lewis
I think you will find what you're looking for.
I recommend "The metaphysics of war" or "Fascism viewed from the right" as starting points. They are light reading, about a hundred pages each.
Worth considering.
Jose Garcia
That's what happens in times of chaos. Think of it as a Cambrian explosion of new idea-forms.
In a few years, only a few will remain, and will have absorbed the rest.
Pic unrelated but relevant to my interests
Hudson Martinez
Hoppe libertarianism is grounded in a priori axiomatic-deductive argumentation, it isn't pseudo-babble or ramblings of a mad man. Evola, I'm not acquainted with, so I cannot yet pronounce my opinion on him.
But what Sven (and Canadabro) have written makes me hard as fuck, especially the fact he defied Death by walking around the streets during bombing raids.
I just want to know whether or not to spend money on him.
Angel Butler
No excuse, have read it all. Unfortunatelly, like most Übermensch wannabes, his ethics could be refuted by taking a look at his own life: preached on being the solar warrior and ended up as a 4 wheels larper.
Ryder Nelson
They are very similar. Nietzsche as well, some even call him "neo-machiavelli"
Kayden Long
Just read Revolt Against the Modern World. If you have to have more read Ride the Tiger and Men Among the Ruins. The rest of his stuff is uh ..really fucking weird and off the wall. Honestly if you're American don't read a fucking word by this guy if you don't want shitlib sounding deconstructions of your culture and identity. inb4 implying. Fuck off, me ne frego.
The dude basically states that if your lineage has wondered out of eye site of the mound your earliest ancestors started their first campfire on then you're a deracinated, mongoloid bastard cast away of history with no culture, heritage, identity or tradition. Its some of the most pure concentrated autism to ever be written down.
John Robinson
Basically yes. Although the way he ended up as a human-car-hybrid is based af. I mean, marching around during bombings just to test his resolve and be in touch with his destiny.
Come on. That is actual solar warrior tier, regardless of how you end up.
Carter Murphy
post more Evola pictures
Ian Cook
>tfw not a deracinated, mongoloid bastard cast away of history with no culture, heritage, identity or tradition.
I am the seventh consecutive generation of my family in the same part of the same city.
As you wish
Brody Turner
do you have that one with "absolutely degenerate" on the bottom?
Also, give me a quick rundown on his philosophy? What is it all about?
Jayden Gutierrez
He wears a fucking monocle and it doesn't look like a cheap fashion statement, because he's ACTUALLY THAT FUCKING NOBLE.
Xavier Rogers
"Sweden" didn't exist in antiquity, Sven. And you don't practice the same rituals and traditions that your ancestors of 3000 years ago did. You're practically a nigger.
Daily reminder that Evola was an alpinist in his 40's Ubermensch confirmed
Thomas Jenkins
How much of a grounding in philosophy do I need to read his works gainfully, and who should I start with?
Parker Adams
Sweden was colonised at the same time the ice covering retracted northwards. Since then, Sweden has never been conquered by anything or anyone.
I stem from the original, native population of that migration.
Of course I know Evola thought of Sweden as basically a dead mummified country. And he's right in that. That does not however, mean that regeneration is impossible.
I believe you are also misunderstanding what he means by tradition. New tradition can be established. Tradition doesn't mean "what your people used to do" according to Evola. It is a generalised pattern of thought and spiritual hierarchy.
Ethan Turner
Just a little bit of general know-how. Some latin helps as well, because he uses idioms in latin which he does not translate, because "what fucking pleb does not know latin?"
You don't need to be an expert on Heidegger or whatever. It's entry level material that does not directly build upon Hegel or whatever. He's too radical for building on someone else, except maybe a little bit of Nietzsche.
Hudson Brooks
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Leo Gonzalez
>thanks Germanbro Imperial immediacy to all Germanic kingdoms when?
Benjamin Powell
I'd like to analize his theories of spiritual racism because I have to write a thesis of neo-racism that can be swallowed by bluepilled people What do you suggest me?
Ryan Young
For a minute I thought you meant Jesus Christ
Aiden Stewart
Quick rundown: > The world is in descent, not ascent. Modernity was a mistake, and "progress" is illusory. This age of degeneracy is equivalent to the Hindu idea of "Kali Yuga". > "Quality of life" and "peace and comfort" are bourgeoisie shit values of the commercial and proletariat classes. A civilisation should be aligned according to other, more noble values, that only concern what is "worth living and dying for". > The only thing you can do as a "spiritual aristocrat" is to "ride the tiger", which means a mental detachment/non-participation in the values of modernity. Instead, one internalises the spiritual ideals of heroism, and keeps oneself clean from materialist dirt until such a time where heroism and hierarchy may rise again.
Jacob Wright
>spiritual racism
Dylan Flores
His last words were allegedly "Save what can be saved"
Matthew Hernandez
In other words, become a literal hermit
Mason Adams
Shit's already fucked for us. I hope at least you guys can save yourselves.
Lincoln Brown
...or form a brotherhood together with like-minded people.
Jaxson Nguyen
...
Aaron Garcia
or become the IRL Ironpill (which is pretty völklisch)
Jacob Robinson
...
Parker Thompson
A race can be degenerate even being biologically pure (americucks and sjw for example) if the spiritual Inner part of the individues of that race is dead. Also, mixed people can have the body of a race and the spirit of the other (for example i have the german body, blue eyed and blonde, from my mother but the Latin mentality and spirit from my father)
Cooper Baker
You won't go down well with blue pillers if you show them Evola. Everything he says will disturb their sensibilities and the very fundaments of their world-view.
He is just one step removed from the complete madwoman Savitri Devi in his turning-around of the entire basis of morality.
He is the total and utter antithesis to EVERYTHING a modern liberal stands for.
You'd have better luck introducing them to Nietzsche.
He didn't look too kind on volkisch nationalism, because it denied the aristocratic elite, but instead was too vulgar and dependent on the plebeian mass, which is in my view a valid critique.
I recommend Thomas Carlyle's heroism for a good look into the spirituality and necessity of leadership and heroes who stand above the mob.
Jordan Parker
Evola is like one of the most redpilled individual of the world,introducing it to the normies would be difficult as fuck
Jace Richardson
No, I didn't explain myself well, in attempt to write a blue pilled understable (for italian tier people obv) new racist theory I need to read Evola
This article the is way you should write about Evola in a normie academic way. Your university must have access to cambridge journals, so you can read it though.
Chase Richardson
Thank you! Every other suggestion is well accepted
James Garcia
Damn that must be true
Jaxson Gray
That's way too much psycho-babble bullshit for me, but I think it's hilarious people like that unironically thought that way. Kek.
Carson Moore
>it can be argued "The Prince" is a cynical and ironic work Have you read it? I don't understand how people come up with this "satire" bullshit.
The only ridiculous thing about it was the last chapter, which was just Medici butt kissing. Everything else was just "well, that worked historically for these guys, so here's a quick rundown on the most important stuff".
Can an Italian maybe shed some light on "Il Principe"? Is the general tone more satirical in the Italian original other than the (in my opinion) very obvious last chapter?
Tyler Foster
Good taste my friend
Wyatt Morris
I believe if Evola was alive today, he'd say we have five falls, and SJWs represents the lowest, fifth 'caste'.
In Hinduism there are 'castless' people, but an elitist like Evola wouldn't even see them on his radar.
Because today, "rational mass of labourers" is not exactly the dominant caste. Instead, it's the "castless" - the freaks and mentally ill, who just a hundred years ago would be put in the circus and paraded about for lulz. Bearded lady and so on.
Their rallying cry is "being accepted for what they are", which is the cry of the deeply flawed.
I mean, anyone who says that is subhuman and knows it. Everyone else is already being accepted, since they are actually functional humans. From elite to labourers, this is the case.
Now, the last caste - the absolute, subhuman rabble, the slime on the bottom of the gene pool are attempting to adapt the world after their own sick ideals.
Evola would be spinning so hard in his grave we could use him as a fucking power source.
Lincoln Allen
Because he was a freak retard who attracts other retards and highly opinionated idiots. t. /x/
if you don't know what the perennial philosophy is, if you don't understand how rome ordered it's pagan society, if you don't understand basic occultism, if you aren't familiar with norse, greek, and roman pantheons/myths, if you don't understand the ideas behind primitivism, traditionalism, deep ecology, if you aren't familiar with fascism and how evola viewed fascism, if you aren't familiar or don't believe in a spiritual plane, if you aren't familiar with samurai rituals, if you aren't familiar with the concept of honorable warfare, if you aren't familiar with the metaphysics of life and death in primordial societies, if you aren't familiar with the sacred/profane dichotomy, etc etc etc
...then evola won't make sense to you.
if you want a fast track to reading and making sense of evola, i recommend the following course of action:
read a basic primer on hinduism (a very short introduction series is acceptable here)
read a basic primer on paganism (not wiccan or witchcraft) the older the better
find primers on norse/greek/roman myth/pantheon and get familiar with them.
learn what you can about ancient egypt.
read mircea eliade's sacred & profane
read the aeneid
read rene guenon crisis of modernity, and also the reign of quantity
read logic & transcendance by frithjof schuon
read the unabomber's manifesto
be familiar with what fascism actually is (not what Sup Forums has told you it is).
read ernst junger's storm of steel
read oswald spengler's decline of the west.
read patriotism by yukio mishima
understand marxism and understand capitalism. and understand how they both operate from an economic materialist paradigm.
read spengler's man & technics
read ludwig von klages' biocentric worldview
finally read "the golden bough"
Carter White
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Indeed, these freaks demanding their equality, their affirmative action, their welfare, their subsidies and their dignities would be paraded as mentally ill, vulgar, rotten, neurotic and helpless through the circuses and freak shows. Normal people would throw bread and coins at them.
Sebastian Bell
>Nietzsche >a little bit
Lincoln Lewis
It's not satire. If anything, its a job resume.
Gabriel Bailey
they would be called : the parasites "kings of nothingness"
Sebastian Adams
Its not a satirical work. But really normal people would do that, deeply. It's the media that made this normal reaction of laughter and disgust unaccetable
Connor Long
>I don't understand how people come up with this "satire" bullshit. As far as I can tell, it's an idea that's become popular relatively recently as a coping mechanism for liberals who want to discuss "The Prince" without having to address the contradictions between its message and their own worldview.
Colton Richardson
I know, I know. Deep down we all have the "natural" impulse to feel disgusted at certain castes/classes/types of human beings. I think that deep down even the most degenerate SJW knows his ways are wrong.
Adam Martinez
Does Rome have any buildings, statues or landmarks associated with Evola?
Lucas Bennett
No, an SJW looking at this scene feels naturally disgusted, and thinks that his feelings are wrong and racists because of his "right and virtuous" ideals. Basically they value more a construited external moral than their own inner instinct
Jonathan Hughes
That I don't read anything written by complete idiot's ... Also Gaius Julius Ceasar wasn't Italian. The Italian peninsula is first known under that name when GJC's successor Augustus named the area from theAlps to the Ionian Sea Italia.
Andrew Jackson
Saved
Owen Gonzalez
Sadly no, also because he wasn't actually popular during the period of the great monuments buildings in the capital
Austin Rodriguez
Some of them then try to excuse themselves and say how cute or humble they look.
Noah Lewis
I unironically consider him to be my spiritual father.
Jack Bailey
SJW is ideological hipocrisy
David Powell
I read some of his stuff, but I'm not sure how he wants me to feel or think.
> The only thing you can do as a "spiritual aristocrat" is to "ride the tiger", which means a mental detachment/non-participation in the values of modernity. Instead, one internalises the spiritual ideals of heroism, and keeps oneself clean from materialist dirt until such a time where heroism and hierarchy may rise again.
So do I just be a rich NEET like him? How do I do that?
Thomas Price
>So do I just be a rich NEET like him? How do I do that?
The type of NEET evola was, is the type that translates books, organises meetings and generally does stuff that isn't just consuming art all day. Even if you aren't rich, if you lower your expectations regarding money and lifestyle you can fit into it. The problem is that people like us haven't been raised in a classical way with learning latin and shit.
James Roberts
You do not learn latin in middle and high school?
Juan Perry
>How do I do that? Write intricate books
Xavier Ross
the SJWs are just the 4th caste, but more westernized
the 4th fall started in Russia and as it reached the west it began mixing with the liberalism of the 3rd fall to produce radical progressives
they're still 4th fall
Brayden Ortiz
Evola was literally a nobleman; he started out with enough money that he didn't really need to work.
Plus, he presumably got tons of money working as an adviser for the SS before he lost the use of his legs in a bomb blast, and after that he had cultists who helped support him.
Dylan Robinson
He'd probably be writing on Sup Forums right now. NEET, larper and kissless virgin.
Jace Hughes
Obviously, see the flag. Catholic bulgarians whom I know did attend such classes in their church.
Elijah Cox
Catholic latin is not true latin, is like pretending. Too bad most of the Latin that we study today comes from the Church archives and therefore is not reliable
Anthony Gutierrez
I think Julius Evola, with "the labour caste", meant the totalitarian mass movements of his time. Proletarian communism, NatSoc and fascism, and also democracy, as a rule-by-plebs.
What we have now is basically the parasite caste, who contribute nothing. And they want to be "accepted" as "equals". These are not workers.
Two of the big plebian movements - fascism and NatSoc did away with such subhumans. They are not labour caste by any stretch of the imagination.
I think this is the natural end point of "labour caste" rule, and the fall to the next level.
And I believe this fall will not happen, because in the elevation of this caste, the disgust of the majority will instead result in a demand for an elite.
I think this is the last point. Just like Weimar Germany was an endpoint of degeneracy, that fed into Imperium and elitism. This time, however, all the west is falling simultaneously, and NOBODY will have the power to deny us imperium. Nobody is willing to defend democracy anymore. Right wingers are on the rise in the entire west. Even in the depth of degeneracy, the west dominates the world completely. There is no outside power to stop us this time around.
Aiden Price
>Catholic latin is not true latin, is like pretending. No, it is. It's just a different form. What are you referring to as true? Are you talking about the different pronunciation? Or the fact that the regular populace spoke a very different form of latin and that wasn't recorded?
Dylan Price
We do not know exactly the right pronunciation of roman latin With true I mean the Latin of the original scripts of Seneca or Plauto ecc. , that we did not recieve because at the time there was not a sense of intellectual property or honesty, nor precision in trascription. Even during renaissance the Latin scripts were manipulated to be in line with catholicism (the people during renaissance believed the classic writers to be proto-catholic, like prophets)
Caleb Butler
i just started reading metaphysics's of war. Great guy. You should read giovanni gentile as well.
Anthony Martin
>We do not know exactly the right pronunciation of roman latin It's been recreated though. And it's probably fairly accurate. There are certain things that are in wide debate like sum - first person indicative present of to be. Some say it would be som or son (both of which would explain italian sono), others say it would be like french with a nasal u so su. and some say it's just sum. But other than that. We're pretty certain that Vs are actually Ws. That ae = ai, etc. We know that H disappeared around the year 300. We know that the spanish have always confused Bs and Vs. We don't know how Italian would have sounded two hundred years ago because there are no recordings. But we can reconstruct it by first hand accounts. By using poetry to see how things rhymed. By looking up people's disgust and foreigner's mistakes. >Even during renaissance the Latin scripts were manipulated to be in line with catholicism This has been overstated. They would probably not have been manipulated. Destroyed if anything and even then it's at the whim of the pope. Some popes were more supportive of the study of history others believed in censorship. Look at pompeii. Some archaeologists destroyed nudity in what the discovered others didn't. No one added clothing.
Jaxon Robinson
I really like the pompeii similitude. Anyway we really approach latin with both eye closed, and must not be sure of anything
Jason Fisher
>I really like the pompeii similitude. And by that you mean? >Anyway we really approach latin with both eye closed, and must not be sure of anything We can never be sure. Personally I go with a modified reconstructed classical pronunciation. It's like a mix of classical with ecclesiastical. Most people from what I've seen use it like this. I know in Italy the ecclesiastical triumphs because of the church.
Levi Collins
Yeah, he's generally awesome. Gentile, though, I feel is a little flat. Maybe he's just not edgy and esoteric enough for my tastes.
I dunno. Maybe I should give the dude another chance.
Jonathan Butler
When do you learn latin in the US, in HS or only in college?
Juan Williams
Depends on the school. My high school offered french, sign language, italian, and spanish. But the next nearest schools had mandatory latin for two years in middle school and then your choice of the four or the option to continue in high school.
William Taylor
Maybe I got the idea that latin is not reliable because the majority of teachers in Italy have a Catholic formation?
Brandon Torres
>sign language Why?
Chase Morgan
>this thread
Chase Martinez
>that latin is not reliable You're not wrong it's just misleading to put it this way. Linguistics isn't a hard science and you're just supposed to reach a consensus. There's debate, healthy debate. >the majority of teachers in Italy have a Catholic formation? I imagine teacher's bias does affect your learning. My grandmother, from Frosinone, learned Latin from the church so when I tried to talk to her she was using later words and I was using older words. Like equus is classical latin for horse and caballus (cavallo in Italian) is late latin. She used the latter. The word caballus existed in classical latin just wasn't in wide usage. It was chiefly for poets who couldn't rhyme without it. People are deaf. It was the least popular only had one class barely anyone took it. Most people took spanish and then french and Italian were equally popular.
Oliver Brooks
I get Spanish, but why were French and Italian available instead of like, Chinese or German which are far more useful?
Evan Morris
Nice, we only have english, german, italian and spanish in public HS. We had optional latin in middle school but they cut it
Juan Nelson
Because neither of those are actually useful in the states. Like, at all. English is the current lingua franca any other language learned would just be to enrich us. Italian and French are still widely spoken in the states. German isn't. Besides that, French is the other lingua franca.
Nathan Thomas
Wow, such a contribution to our collective effort. Your edgy insincerity and sarcasm has contributed to the discussion.
