What does Sup Forums think? Should robots and AI be taxed in the future to help out of work humans find jobs and training? Bill Gates thinks we should tax robots and A.I. in the future to help displaced humans acquire new skills and find new jobs. Fortune Magazine (owned by Time) thinks Billy Boy is dead wrong (article link below). They make some compelling arguments.
>Bill Gates proposed that robots should be taxed. He anticipates that robots will replace large numbers of workers over the next 20 years >"If a human worker does $50,000 of work in a factory, that income is taxed, if a robot comes in to do the same thing, you'd think we'd tax the robot at a similar level." says Gates
Intentionally slowing down automation is ten times worse than any genocide.
Adrian Foster
>They make some compelling arguments
Yes. I just got my washing machine's W2 in the mail. I'm gonna have it claim the dryer as a dependent this year.
Xavier Hill
Gee Bill, maybe we should do the same with computers, since they take away a lot of jobs.
Blake Nguyen
From the article (because I know you didn't read it)
>Bar code scanners, for example, widely adopted in the 1980s, automated much of the work of cashiers, but the number of cashiers increased.
> ATMs took over cash handling tasks from bank tellers, but bank teller employment has since grown in the U.S. Specifically, since 2000, the number of full-time equivalent bank tellers has increased 2% per annum, substantially faster than the entire labor force.
>Automation sharply reduced the price of cotton cloth, and so people bought more—much more. By 1910, people were consuming 10 times as much cloth per capita as in 1810.
Andrew Reyes
How does any of that justify the arbitrary taxation of specific technologies? Stop being a government shill. Just remember, only human beings ever pay taxes, through either direct or indirect means.
Noah Adams
It's basically a special type of property tax
Aiden Clark
The taxation of robots etc., would not be an "arbitrary" tax. The tax would have a purpose. The purpose would be to help workers displaced by automation develop new skills and find new jobs, probably in fields where a human touch is needed, like healthcare.
Daniel Gomez
yeah, nah. enough fucking bureaucracies.
Elijah Gomez
It doesnt you complete mong. This is a stupid shit facebook meme that has been going on.
I remember writing a 20 paragraph monster rebuttal to the entire thing including all its premises and its relationship to communism through post scarcity (hence its essential pandering to the american left, whom i have a theory, bill gates will run for president on).
Its a load of horseshit designed to sell big government to loser leftists.
I love bill gates but he is a massive fucking idiot if he thinks there is even remotely any comparison between a human with needs and a robot without.
The entire purpose of taxation is to satisfy needs. The needs of the taxpayers. There is literally no benefit to robots for paying tax. And no benefit for the taxpayer who owns the robot.
All it does is slow down peoples (big business) innovation and willingness to use robots.
Its fucking economic suicide. There is literally no benefit.
He says its "for the hiring of good educators"
But you cannot even do that with the free market, what makes you think you can force people to do it?
ITs a load of garbage. The ultimate most blunt and forward attempt at advancing every single liberal policy from big government, to increased taxation, to increased """""Schooling""""" at an exorbitant cost.
Only problem is that as time goes on, less and less money will be available for the public plans and more and more people will abandon it.
He is a massive fucking retard. How do you get every single thing wrong. Literally Every Single Thing Wrong.
Fuck its so fucking wrong
Jaxon Morales
Let's just call a spade a spade. This is just another handout for niggers and pakis who are too stupid to get any higher level of occupation or career.
So forget that, oh and OP you're a huge faggot
Jason Thomas
I'm against the tax, you calypso-dancing faggot.
Aaron White
Thats a huge fucking meme you idiot. People are not displaced by technology. PEOPLE GET JOBS BECAUSE OF TECH.
When those robots that make cars automatically do it. You open hundreds more car salesman and advertising jobs that are now freed up from all the excess capital gained by the company. Cars are sold cheaper via competition and what it means is everyone gets a better material quality of life.
We should tax that to discencentivize it? IS this the thing we want to reduce? the efficient movement of goods and services that actually satisfy peoples needs?
Its so fucking stupid.
Bill is either a huge retard, or a fucking genius troll because the only thing more retarded than believing this is believing the nigerian prince.
What truly worries me is how many people blindly click like to this on facebook.
Is this some twisted fucking social experiment. God i fucking hate liberals.
Aiden Nguyen
roomba just hit me up for 350.00, said it was for some "man shit" and then he bitched about "getting fucked in his robot asshole" by uncle sam. there was more to it but that's the rundown
Hunter Scott
>Be the worlds richest man >realize youre getting old >you have all the money and power >you can do whatever you want >realize that you will be dead in 30 years >realize that immortality will be found out in probably 50 years >you are too late >you can't do anything about it
How did you feel Sup Forums?
Joshua Smith
wow quints you're late
Brayden Jones
There is also the fact that when robots take over a task that humans did, there are still then new jobs also created in the maintenence of the automated machines.
Brayden Gomez
Honestly this is why anti aging science gets so much funding. Im sure the rothschilderen are screaming at the scientists regularly and funding the fuck out of them. Ah it would be so sweet to taste their tears.
Easton Morris
>Automation is the path to post-scarcity. Or it's the path to economic collapse and a Judge Dredd style future.
Aiden Anderson
>tfw now I have to live 50 years more
Easton Perez
Fuck no! What makes you entitled to tax anything on a moral basis? Just an object
Should we tax fleshlights too?
Justin Rogers
t. luddite
Jacob Cook
Bill Gates went full retard.
Taxing robots that displace workers is like taxing automakers that displace horse & buggy.
Camden Murphy
Starting to think that Bill Gates is /ourguy/
Cooper Russell
Yeah, those poor robots need every cent they make to help raise families and buy homes...oh wait.
Jose Price
>implying I'm a Luddite Why don't you explain how an economy works where most people are unemployed and the rich just sit on all the wealth?
How are people supposed to buy shit when they have no money and how automated factories are supposed "produce" when there is no one to consume the products.
Adam Wood
>Most jobs gets replaced by robots/AI >Countries now have to pay gibsmedats to 45% of the population >Every single country goes bankrupt >Massive rebellions due to society falling apart
Gates knows whats up.
Jonathan Thomas
>You found a infinite energy source. >You can sell it for billions. >If you sell it, your money became worthless probably
Wat du?
Logan Cruz
I disagree with your premise, that people will not be employed. Just because you lack the imagination to theorize what potential new kinds of employment will spring up, doesn't mean people will be consigned to destitution.
Nicholas Miller
That article is retarded. All of the examples it cited only made certain tasks faster to accomplish for humans. With our current level of automation and ai, you eliminate the need for a human in the first place. Most people who don't pay attention to tech underestimate how fast we're moving forward. >But the robots are just gonna make more jobs for people! So when commercial vehicles are fully automated, which will happen in the next 5 years, what's going to happen to the millions of taxi/Uber drivers, truckers and bus drivers that have no other experience doing anything but driving a vehicle? We already have a ton of mechanics so maintenance is out the window, we already have people, probably soon to replaced by ai, doing the logistics, so what else is there for such a large demographic with one practical skill?
Why would you willingly give the corporations both the means of production and the labor force? They don't need the people if they can build their own labor force, on the government truly needs the people.
And don't forget about customer service, programming, fast food, retail service and checkout, mining and basically any entry level job that requires human beings. They are all in the process or in the beginning stages of automation already. What are all these people supposed to do when they get their pink slips? Taxing the the workforce has always been a thing and it should still be the day the majority of people stop working for good.
Jayden Richardson
You overestimate the value of labor of virtually untrainable idiots like sales clerks, truck drivers and waitresses. We have a huge chunk of people who have useless jobs and CANNOT pursue higher education or potential.
You're not going to make these idiots into Star Trek style scientists and researchers "bettering" themselves. People will be left behind.
Benjamin Edwards
>probably in fields where a human touch is needed
Nah, I'd rather deal with a robot.
Nolan Jackson
Hence the overwhelming need for ww3. Massive depopulation war. An all out brawl.
Kayden Walker
I have bad news user. The solution could become a bureaucratic, middle-management nightmare.
In order to keep everyone employed, most people will become inspectors, managers or assistants to others who actually do the work. People will become assholes who police eachother, with other people who evaluate them with other still that oversee them.
>"I'm the co-assisting, managing directing inspecting operating principal sales speculator. I'm here to evaluate you on your current evaluations and evaluating skills for the month."
Blake Gomez
>post-scarcity. Oh look, a moron who doesn't understand economics. Post-scarcity will never exist as it will just shift to the next link in the production chain. At the very top of the chain; Time, energy and space are there as scarce resources. To remove these from scarcity, you need to break the laws of physics.
Charles Green
That's like resorting to cannibalism because you're hungry.
Your idea might lead to the extinction of mankind, nor will it improve the stock of human beings.
Logan Perez
Soon
Wyatt Howard
AI and 90% of new technology these days is fucking trash that we would be better off without. not to mention we wouldnt have these autistic tech CEO's that are way more evil than most bankers and other big business leaders.
Jonathan Hughes
>Or it's the path to economic collapse and a Judge Dredd style future. I dunno mate, my country has many very large cities that looks a lot like a mega city from judge dredd universe, in fact, we got irl judges as seen in webm related.
It is clear that high technology and automation are not the cause of this in my country since we are a shitty third world nation, so I would bet it is all the niggers and race mixing that is the cause.
Owen Ortiz
>You overestimate the value of labor of virtually untrainable idiots like sales clerks, truck drivers and waitresses. We have a huge chunk of people who have useless jobs and CANNOT pursue higher education or potential. >You're not going to make these idiots into Star Trek style scientists and researchers "bettering" themselves. People will be left behind. How about mining at mars? It will be considered an extremely dangerous job that will most likely require grunts to do it.
>How about mining at mars? It will be considered an extremely dangerous job that will most likely require grunts to do it. shipping material from mars to earth is extremely fucking stupid if that's what you're implying. If mining is ever done on mars, the material will stay and be used on mars and it'll be done all by robots.
Christian Garcia
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Elijah Rivera
I hate the idiots like the author of that article who say that new jobs will be created. Literally how? If AI becomes fully sentient in 20 years, how the hell will other jobs be created?
Oliver Hall
>If AI becomes fully sentient in 20 years, how the hell will other jobs be created? Sentience is no guarantee. Computers will become more efficient and will automate for efficiency though.
We should be there to steer the ship so to speak or we'll be fucked.
Oliver Cooper
The what would be the point of automation in the first place if corporations don't increase their profits through hiring less labor? Having jobs for the sake of having a job is pointless.
Hudson Torres
This is not about the human workers, just about goverment wanting a piece of the robot pie.
Jaxon Cooper
>The what would be the point of automation in the first place if corporations don't increase their profits through hiring less labor? it doesn't mean it isn't happening. This would be done through government regulation. Lots of "office jobs" are literally fucking useless, assholes sitting around in a tie jerking off to porn and women on facebook.
Austin Ortiz
Or they can just tax the robots instead of your dumb shit.
Gavin Cox
They're in denial because muh free market capitalism.
Ryan Murphy
>tax the robots so the government can get the money? Even if we build some huge bullshit lay-on-you-ass-all-day welfare state most of the money will be gobbled up by the government, rich people and companies rather than going to people.
Either way, the whole system is going to collapse one way or another. What replaces it, if anything, is the question.
Elijah Cooper
>shipping material from mars to earth is extremely fucking stupid if that's what you're implying. If mining is ever done on mars, the material will stay and be used on mars and it'll be done all by robots. I was thinking more of a shipping materials to orbital stations, which I assume we will have far before we start mining mars.
I think all major manufacturing facilities would be orbital, mostly because the ships and probes and other machinery that we will need in space exploration will need to be on space, so I assume that is the best location for a fully automated industrial station.
Could be wrong, but wouldn't it be more cost efficient to build spaceships on orbital stations rather than build then on planet and then waste a shitload of fossil fuel trying to break free from the atmosphere?
>Sorry, I don't speak jungle ape, Brazil. I know you don't, which is why im speaking to you in english instead of portuguese.
Yes, the government will get the money, just like they already get income tax. And even if there is corruption in Washington, it doesn't matter if a basic income is implemented, the budget is balanced and the people are happy. Wasn't Donald Trump in part elected to help drain the swamp? Its the people's job to keep their government in check and somewhat corruption free and its the governments job to keep the people safe.
Austin Ross
your idea still sounds like the Fermi Paradox.
Lucas Ross
Stupid. Bill just want to have the robots be required to buy Micr$oft shit.
Connor Murphy
You ran out of arguments so now you're using terms you don't understand. Income tax becomes automation tax Not having to pay workers means automation tax can be at higher percentages than income tax without significantly impacting a company's profits Tax revenue increases without a workforce involved and social services improve
Kevin Gutierrez
Kek'd n checked
Jason Johnson
i completely agree with this
automation use to make items cheaper so when they took away a job, it wasnt as painful, things where cheaper, you could hold out longer till you found a new job
now days most companies replace workers with robots, but their prices dont go down at all, the company just pockets all of this and it goes to the top
and the government doesnt get as much income tax, which means government systems start failing, we fall farther in debt, countries like china own us. and then the country devolves and goes down hill
people wont be able to buy stuff because prices are not going down, they dont have jobs because their field is being taken over by automation, and the system cant support this because there is no social safetynet due to lack of income tax
the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, this is one of the reasons why
as a bunch of trump supporters who are supposed to be for the average joe worker, you are all pretty dense
