Let's have an actual discussion about hard drugs and why they're horrifying

no normie drugs (alcohol, pot, caffeine, tobacco) allowed for discussion in here, not even the deadly normie ones like heroin and meth, or the popular party drugs like MDMA and cocaine. these are all mainstream pastimes that most people know the risks of.

I'm talking about shit like 25I-NBOMe, the 2-C research chemicals, ETH-LAD, MDPV...

here's a delightful way somebody described the effects of ketamine, on Erowid:

>"I felt disconnected from my body, as if I had died and was merely and empty shell of what I had been. A scared robotic entity. Suddenly I would feel myself come back and I would call my friend to come reassure me but a second later I was back in the feeling like I would never feel human again. It felt HOLLOW, EMPTY and COLD. The opposite of cosy. I felt like someone could come in and kill me me and I would not care that much. My friend was trying to reassure me but he didn’t understand how traumatized I was. I tried to keep it together, I was only going in and out of this hole. I asked him how long this would last and almost fainted when he said an hour. He suggested a walk outside but this was impossible to me.
It felt like I was in a place humans were not allowed to witness, the mechanical backdrop of life, devoid of emotions and meaning. I looked at my friend and it was like looking at someone I had once loved. I could feel a strange sad tenderness, my friend seemed much older than he is, like a skeleton zombie sitting next to me and I felt scared for the friend I had loved and who was now distorted and reduced to a half dead creature like me.

>I sat there and told myself that when I came back I would never take for granted how good life felt when you are an emotional warm core and that I never wanted to see this place again. I just wanted to come back."

holy fuck. could you imagine the agony that she's describing? even in trying it's hideous, but actually doing such a thing to your body... my god.

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so, what experiences have you personally had that made you realize how bad certain hard drugs are? I am lucky to have never had an experience like the one from Erowid

source: erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=109765

Can we not have another fucking drug thread? It's pointless and degenerate as fuck.

did you not realize the anti-stance that this thread takes? learn to read you complete fuckwit. this is on-topic as every country and political body has a stance or enforcing policy on drugs. I am seeking to have a conversation to steer people AWAY not towards. fuckface. thank you

Strawman me more silly brainlet. These threads are just (You) simulators. Fuck right off you sub 10 IQ post-addict.

It's just a trip. I'm sure you're not a pussy at all.

>I just read a Cracked article about the 13 fallacies every fuckos fall for and I'm gonna namedrop them here

you really are just shit aren't you lmfao

I didn't do ketamine so I wouldn't know.

>Trying to make some retarded irrelevant comeback to something I never said
Guarantee you'll be banned

10/10 would be baited by you again. you're perfect sunshine never change

>Gets exposed as a brainlet
>i-its bait!
Go back.

America will not be great again until cannabis is legalized.

>brainlet
Tough guy, almost raped him.

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Oh look, it's another drug thread
> Drugs should be legalized and users confined to areas away from non-users to keep them safe
> Public rehab programs should be in place for people to become sober easily
> People should work for municipalities during programs to pay partially for weaning usage doses, pay for other things, do something other than drugs to help
> The costs of all of these are much cheaper and the effects much less negative than keeping them illegal and enforcing everything
> Drugs are degenerate and you still shouldn't do them
Every single one of these threads is the fucking same, the solution is obvious, this is pointless.

you're a cool guy fighting the good fight op. I won't shit up this one like the last for a while yet

Calm down, you are really showing how much of a loser you really are and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting this feeling after seeing you try so hard.

drugs are pointless to do recreationally just fucking keep it to yourself and stop sharing

were all degenerates but were not trying to promote our form of degeneracy i suppose

I once did ketamine at a festival. It felt like I was completely alone, except for the dj, who was playing the most extraordinary music just for me. Also it felt like everything was white and the dj sort of melted into his table. It was crazy.

ya this guy is a loser, just watching these two from the side

you should try ketamine and a 500ug+ acid dose

I've done a lot of crazy drugs in my day and have done some really stupid shit on many of them. But never have I been so reckless and close to death as I have from alcohol. Absolute real talk.

go back to your safespace reddit

>not enjoyable the K hole
Pleb

Many drugs are clearly harmful, but I don't think they should be illegal.
First, I don't think enforcement of their criminality has been successful in reducing either the demand for or supply of drugs. The war on drugs has been a manifest failure.
Second, and this arguably only applies to the US; the war on drugs is unconstitutional.
When you guys wanted to ban alcohol, a constitutional amendment was needed because congress had no authority to force an alcohol ban on the states. That has since been undone by a further amendment I believe, but no such provision was made for the federal regulation of other drugs. The present justification used by the court is based on the interstate commerce clause, but this is fanciful judicial abuse since it's entirely possible to produce and consume many drugs without any steps involving buying or selling across state lines.

>But never have I been so reckless and close to death as I have from alcohol. Absolute real talk.

Same, although psychedelics are generally considered very safe, I've done some crazy LSD, DMT, and ayahuasca doses.

also crazy combos like MDMA/LSD/DMT

Worst side effects ever? Alcohol.

Even my behavior is worse when I'm blackout drunk compared to blackout tripping.

blackout drunk
>trying to fight people
>talking shit
>making my friends mad

blackout tripping:
>laughing
>smiling
>hugging people

LSD doesn't have a hangover either.

>no "normie" drugs
>OP picture is all normie drugs

Nigga, you dumb.

>The present justification used by the court is based on the interstate commerce clause, but this is fanciful judicial abuse since it's entirely possible to produce and consume many drugs without any steps involving buying or selling across state lines.
I should also add that the current interpretation which permits the war on drugs effectively grants near-unlimited power to congress. It is pretty clear that this was not the intention of the relevant sections of the constitution, and is thus a misinterpretation and invalid.

>alcohol
Worst of the bunch by a long shot.

>MDMA/LSD/DMT
That sounds legit
My fave is MDMA/LSD/Nitrous. It makes me giddy just thinking about it

I took MDPV every day for ~14 months. I was also (and still am) on strong opioids for pain management.

MDPV has an interesting psychosis to it. After 20 hours or so of redosing I'd get intense hallucinations. The most common one I had was that 2d pictures appeared to be 3d and they moved and interacted each other like I was watching a movie. It's possible to be completely entertained staring at an unmoving picture on it.

Not to mention the high from it is incredibly euphoric and makes sex feel amazing.

These days I just stick to my medications to avoid pain.

MDMA+Lsd is one of the best

K is also normie.


RC's are trash. Enjoy melting ur brain and not knowing it till alzheimers or dementia sets in at 45.

yep

nah

lets have a discussion about how asshats cant parent there own children so they rob everyone else while getting subsidies for marriage and offload the responsibility onto more productive people while simultaneously telling others what to do in thier bedroom and with their body as they justify the entire soul raping abuse with a meme about roads


>muh roads

>lets have a conversation about drugs
>not alcohol, pot, heroin or meth
>let me tell you about my degenerate drugs so you can make me feel better about my addiciton

RSC's aren't safe and cause deaths. Fuck off to Sup Forums, this isn't politics and it's not your shoutbox to talk about degenerate things

>crazy combos like MDMA/LSD/DMT

y-you too?

alcohol is my nemesis also. nothing compares to the guilt i feel after a bad night drinking.

PCP is insane, say what you want about it being a normal drug but smoking wet makes me feel like I'm just observing my body. It's fucking nuts and impossible to explain to anyone who hasn't experienced it but imagine just being along for the ride as you sleep walk. I've only done it a few times but I've tried pretty much every normie drug and can say that's the one that stands out.

>RSC's aren't safe and cause deaths.
Drugs approved by the government kill far more people than RC's. More people died from opioid OD's than car crashes last year.

RC's are fine in moderation. Of course some of them are going to end up causing severe organ damage in some people, that's the risk.

I'm actually surprised that my heart, liver, kidneys and BP were are within healthy range after abusing MDPV for 14 months. I actually have no long-term effects from that binge.

k is normie teir too, i like it for psychotherapy reasons.thedisconnection from self i useful when you know its temporary. ive only taken it 4 times and likely will not take it again. i enjoy it way too much. im sticking to weed

Only because far more people are abusing FDA approved drugs. And 14 months isn't long-term. Wait and see, you'll have problems.

Pff. The synthetics/RCs are way more terrifying.

14 months of abusing a RC every day isn't long-term, huh?

I haven't taken any of it since it was banned in 2011. It's been 6 years without any ill effects from it.

You don't seem to know very much about the subject.

25x series is shit, except maybe 25b, awesome eye candy.
2cb is the real mandala drug, only downside is bodyload.
Ketamine is somewhat fun, anyway, dissociatives are not for everyone.
DMT 8/10 wouldnt do again.
Salvia is a lot of fun only for seasoned user.
Mescaline and psylocibine are top tier.
Seen the effect of many many drugs, experienced a lot of them and i could say that alcohol and meth (maybe coke) are the only real degenerates.

>Cocaine is a normie drug
>But ketamine is hard and horrifying, even though it's used as treatment in resistant-depression

kys you adolescent utter faggot

Never knew this, thanks. It has always struck me that our founding fathers enshrined "pursuit of happiness" as a basic human right....and always thought this sentiment was totally not compatible with drug prohibition. Thanks for pointing out that it is indeed the case here

Ketamine isn't approved for use as an anti-depressant.
Yes, NMDA antagonists have been recognized to help depression short-term. It's never gone beyond trials.

So does PCP. Yet I highly doubt you'd consider it a normal drug.

>RC's are fine in moderation.

>Dumb enough to type this ^

Yeah if you look into the abuse of the interstate commerce clause I think it all started in like WWI where the court ruled the feds could regulate farmers' ability to grow wheat on their own land for personal consumption or some such because "in sum" if every farmer started growing wheat on their own land for personal consumption, it could hypothetically impact the interstate wheat market. Absolute rubbish. And it's only gotten more retarded since then.

Hi don.

I once had a very similar experience when I OD'd on weed(must have been laced).

I had drank 9-10 beers before. I took two deep and big hits from a bong. Then in about ten seconds my world started shaking back and forth and I said to my friends "this is bad. this is really fucking bad". Then suddenly I was was in a limbo inside my head, as if I was in a psychedelic dream. I had tried to wake up by biting my friend on the shoulder, didn't know I did that. I was isolated inside my thoughts and wasn't able to take in outer perceptions. My mind then started rolling backwards and i relived things that had just happened in a backwards order. I felt like I was falling from one memory to another. At this point I was really panicking. I thought I had died ad this was what hell was like, just me inside my own memories with no escape.

My friends then walked me inside and I had been acting very weird. About 10 minutes in I started to get visuals from the real world again but I was just a passenger. Eventually my friend, who held my hand as I was tripping while laying on a bed, just kept saying to me "it's going to be ok, just take it easy" or something to that effect. I then had to reach with all my mental strength to grab that thought and I pulled myself back to the real world. I then puked on the floor and said to my friends "I've got to take a shit". Then I sat in the toilet for close to two hours, but I thought that was ten minutes. After that I was able to sleep and felt just hungover in the morning.

1/2

You've got me confused with somebody else

>because "in sum" if every farmer started growing wheat on their own land for personal consumption, it could hypothetically impact the interstate wheat market.
Also, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how such an interpretation would grant congress nearly unlimited power.

I've taken acid something 40 times in the past 3 years. I leave every trip in a satisfied contemplative state, no hangover or depression. For me, psychedelics have steered me towards empathy, meaning and warm thoughts. My only bad experiences were more due to bad planning, wrong people, tripping in public etc. Otherwise a completely redpilled,

There are theories though about lsd distorting your sense of time for long periods of time. I'm not sure how to measure that.

Also huffed ether. My wife wouldn't fuck for days because I stunk like an embalbed corpse. 7/10 trip though.

sounds like you took some shady head shop (((spice)))

Sounds like you got the ugly. Did you become super pale and paranoid? It's rare and happened to me.

Neither is psilocybin but it's also recognized as
a potential treatment moving forward. The point is,
OP's classification of drugs is fucking retarded.

>They're good
>They're bad

Never seeing the obvious gray inbetween.

Kek that description is just like depersonalization, but drugs do it for you.
Tbh its an improvement

Don lemon went to rehab over opioid abuse

Sounds awesome what a fucking pussy. No surprise it's a fucking woman. God women ruin everything, even drugs.

Yes, his classification is bad. Yours is also, since antidepressant effects have very little to do with how society sees a scheduled drug.

25i was some of the most intense visuals I'd ever seen, but that shit fucked me up for a solid 3 months. LSD feels more natural and with more subtlety in the visuals, but nbombs are jarring and intense, plus everyone I know went through a rough patch after 25i. Shit should be banned immediately

My family is from England and Ireland, I'm 100% certain that man is not me.

This, I had a similar experience with some shady spice with the throwing up and everything.

Also this whole fiasco illustrates why letting congress/presidents/anyone involved at the federal level select supreme court justices is a bad idea; naturally they won't tend to pick people who restrict federal government power.

>psychosis is an improvement

How fucking stupid is pol, really? Are you all 16? I'm seriously asking.

>here's a delightful way somebody described the effects of ketamine, on Erowid:

You do realize that Ketamine is widely used to fight depression, PTSD right?

Right now it's the most effective drug to bring homeostasis to the mind, in other words to re-wire your brain back to function normally.

If you have depression, anxiety, or any other mental defect and you're not using Ketamine, you're fucking retarded. Even Ketamine clinics are starting to pop up all over the country.

He's not talking about drugs in the legal sense he's talking about ethics.

I feel like I'm on reddit. You guys are fucking dumb.

2/2
Two weeks later I read about some guy whose heart had stopped for a few minutes and he said his consciousness had just floated in emptiness during that time. I guess that triggered something inside me that related to my experience where I was convinced I was dead. I had very bad anxiety and some sort of neurosis for a week. I started to question whether I was in a psychosis. Eating made me nausious, I couldn't sleep, the only thing that seemed to matter was that when I would die my consciousness would be trapped in some limbo. I eventually got some temazepam from a doctor that helped me sleep, and during the next month my symptoms started to go away and I was able to function again.

I was thinking if this was some sort of a sign from god to repent or else, and I had been an atheist since I was 15 at that point. All this happened 5-6 months ago btw. That was also the time I started to really get redpilled and Jordan Peterson's stuff halped me get over the hump.

I still feel like I'm just 95% of what I used to be. My focus is not as sharp and sometimes my senses feel fuzzy. I'm mostly good now though, but that was definitely a life altering experience.

We are all 16, including you. I'm seriously answering.

Never do hard drugs, they drain your dopamine and serotonin from your brain, you will feel like very depressed for a week, and your brain will not produce the right levels for a long time

Ketamine pretty much is a normie party drug over here. Never done it but know a lot who have

>Cocaine is a normie drug
>But ketamine is hard and horrifying, even though it's used as treatment in resistant-depression

That's exactly what he said. I see nothing in regards to ethics, I see him basing it off whether they can be used to treat depression.

Oy vey feelings are good, goy. Trust your emotions and feelings. Let poor refugees in.

First time I did Salvia I believed I was a sausage and not only A sausage but all the sausages in the world at once, was kind of funny.

Second and last well... I dont know if any of you have ever been in a metal works or seen a How its made episode. But if you have imagine one of those giant thin metal rollers, spooling up giant thin sheets of metal almost endlessly. That was me, I was being sucked further and further and being stretched apart physically, spiritually every fucking way.

Apparently according to my girlfriend I was rolling around head over ass screaming for Jesus to save me.

First you say MDMA is a party drug, then turn right around and say 2-C* is a hard and dangerous drug.

Ketamine is pretty great once in a while, it's relatively safe if you don't overdo it. It can be quite overwhelming though.
The nbomes and all the new RCs coming out are much more scary tbqh, nobody knows the health consequences on the long run

It is banned user. But agree, 25i is shit.

>I'm talking about shit like 25I-NBOMe, the 2-C research chemicals, ETH-LAD, MDPV...
I have never even heard of half this shit.

what does this do? sounds horrifying in terms of bodyload

Psychedelics are interesting but nothing scares me more than fetanyl analogues

Complete mindfuck I think, 500ug of lsd alone is already A LOT

Depends on how much ketamine you take.
Around 250mg of ketamine is enough to completely dissociate most people's mind from their body, the so-called "k-hole".
At that dose with the LSD you'll have a very intense experience with very little notice of your body.

At lower ketamine doses you can have a good high from the ketamine with the visuals enhanced by the LSD.

It really depends on how much you decide to take. In my experience, dissociatives tend to make your body feel very good. A common feeling I got on ketamine and MXE was my entire body buzzing all over (exactly like the feeling of nitrous) for the entire high. Another common feeling in my body was feeling as though I'm melting into whatever object I was touching.
For me personally LSD and Ketamine were very fun.

>fetanyl analogues
What are those and why are they so scary? I know since they are drugs they fuck with the mind, but how?

They are not psychs but opiates rather carfetanil used on elephants is 1000 times more potent than morphine and used on fucking elephants. This shit is active in the microgram dosages and people sell it as heroin

They're synthetic opioids that are very strong. Many of them can overdose a person with 1mg.

Acetylfentanyl and butyrfentanyl were big fentanyl analogues before they were banned. They were also responsible for a ton of overdoses, both on their own and mixed with heroin. (Fent analogues are cheap. People mixed them with bad heroin to make the high better and make a lot of profit).

Furanylfentanyl is the one being sold and used semi-legally these days.

Sorry I wrote that twice but yeah I mean I don't give a shit about your average heroin user but when people say heroin is bad you have no clue

I have done acid, shrooms, more or less every version of 2-C, cocaine, ketamine, opium, molly, and speed. And let me tell you something, it all fucking sucked.

Just smoke a joint and drink a beer, it's much more fun that way.

Why wasn't I told about these in high school?

Ive been meaning to try LSD I have access but I might pick up some al-lad or 1p-lsd before it gets banned

Maybe. My experience was probably a lot like salvia.

Paranoid is too mild a word to describe what followed that.

Carfentil is something I've never seen for sale on any RC site, and it's never shown up in any samples I tested at my old job. (Worked a GC/MS at a lab testing blood and drug samples).

There are very dangerous fent analogues but they're not nearly as strong as carfent.

OP is a faggot. ETH-LAD isnt spooky i've done it plenty of times, just like LSD.

Opiates are degenerate, novel stimulants aren't fun and are dangerous (i.e bath salts)

NBOMe's are alright, can be dangerous if overdosed though.

all the pictures I looked up for research chemicals and whatnot were ambiguous and just looked like piles of tabs or vials w/ powders. looked stupid desu. but you're completely correct

Yes I believe Other legal analogues are sold like other user said. It's surprising to me that this is schedule 2 meanwhile weed is schedule 1 as I'm sure will be the case with kratom

>I know since they are drugs they fuck with the mind
Not really. There is such a thing as a body high. You arent shooting fent for any kind of head high. Its all body buzz.

Fent analogues are dangerous because just a few micrograms over in dosage and you die.

legit question: doesn't the MDMA/LSD/DMT combo hurt at all? isn't serotonin sickness possible?

From wikipedia

A 2012 study found evidence supporting the claim that during the 2002 Moscow theater hostage crisis, the Russian military made use of an aerosol form of carfentanil and another similar drug, remifentanil, to subdue Chechen hostage takers.[7][8]

Wew

Is out there

what's all the talk about zombification and MDPV? is that just mythos? or is that a different drug?