Secession

Given that our governments will not stop importing Third World trash into our countries, why should we not fully support secession/separatist movements? Think about it: why should we share a common country with each others if we hate one another? Wouldn't it be much better if we all seceded from each other and rearranged society in exclusionary covenants meant to protect individual private property rights, freedom of speech and association, and our different preferences?

The picture is not representative of the system I am describing, but it is close.

In my opinion, we should fully support separatist movements and seek to undermine federal/national governments as much as possible. Take back power from the state and hand it over to the communities and to the natural, patriarchal, aristocratic elites, i.e. the fathers of nuclear households.

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>sami country
You wish.

>lets balkanize more so (((they))) and other foreign blocks can influence even easier

>France
>Separatism
lel I will concede you corsica

How can (((they))) influence us easier if we all go back to our regionalist/nationalist roots? The fact that we are all now mixed in the same pot makes it easier for them to take advantage of us.

The message I intended to convey was that we would all get along much better if different countries broke up into smaller units representing that particular region's cultural/ethnic background.

I don't get why Sup Forums is fixated with NOT having balkanized countries.

>Half of Sweden
>Half of Norway
>A bit of Finland
>A part of Russia
All that to one sami country
Nobody would agree on that..
Those fucking raindeer mongols wouldn't be able to run a fucking country.

Try harder next time with the bait

youtu.be/d_ybi1MeC3c?t=3653
>suck off the local bigshot
>privatize everything
>???
>freedom

It's not bait you stupid imbecil. It's about seizing the opportunity the migrant crisis is giving us to tell the states to fuck off and let different regions, with strong anti-migrant sentiments, to rule themselves.

He is right, though.

I agree, i don't want to see europe end up like the US. But i'd like to see an EU army just to put Russia and the US back in thier box.

Seperatism is the only way to preserve personal liberty. The bigger the region is that one government governs, the more inefficent it gets. Surprise, that's the reason for the EU being utter horseshit.

What about you?
The eternal Barbossa

Didn't say he's not. I'm just more sceptical of monarchy than him. He talks all the time about how everything went downhill after ww1 and attributes it to the rise of democracy. I think he should've focused more on the increased prevalence of universal suffrage instead.

Secessionism is stupid, it just makes a country weaker and creates little states that are easy pickings for bigger and more centralized nations.

If your country is really that bad in terms of secessionism like Spain just form a federation with some sort of no independence clause like the US has. If it's even worse than that go full confederation mode (assuming it's still the same nation, if you're Iraq just make some new countries entirely because that place is perm fucked).

If they can't get their independence by themselves then they don't deserve it.

It's quite the opposite french faggot, if they have to deal with more parliaments and countries the chance of finding patriots and nationalists on charge is bigger. Also they have to birbe more people not only two EU cocksucker officials.

Spain is France, Rome or the Caliphate then.

Not only that, but also the whole legislation issue. Why should citizens of X, who are anti-gay marriage, have to live in the same territory as fags and other sodomites? Same thing for migrants: why should nationalists, regionalists, neo-Nazis, etc. have to life in the same space as those people who seek to flood Europe with migrants? It makes no sense. It'd be much better if we all seceded and formed our own micro-states, each suited to a particular group's (could be 500 people or 10,000, any number as a matter of fact) personality.

Probably push for North secession. North = white people, hard workers, right-wing. South = Niggers, communists, tourists, left-wing.

He's also skeptical of monarchy; he's AnCap after all. I'd say he focused the right amount of time on deconstructing the myth of democratic peace, democratic egalitarianism and the footnotes had extensive information on the progression of suffrage.

Liechtenstein, Monaco, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malta, the Vatican City, and so forth are all micro-states and they do pretty well. Outside of Hong Kong, they're not threatened with invasion. Invading them would also put pressure on the citizens of the invading country to finance the invasion, which would lead to dissatisfaction and possible protesting.

I don't want to make this a Hoppe thread, though. I just want to see Sup Forums's perspective on this.

Americans couldn't understand this. Europe is full of regions that used to be independent for centuries. Your states may have been independent at some point, but never had a chance to develop a own culture. A federation is bound to kill this culture and the souvereignity of the people. It'S either seccesionism or full on EU. Even if there could be a way inbetween, there are no politicians that aren't on either end.

I'll take it

I like Hoppes idea of like minded individuals banding together in voluntary communities, but I think standard regionalism is a very first important step towards that. Only if that is achieved, one could start think further.

if those were the regions of an european state and each one elected a parlament member I'd have no problem with it

Also, think of Europe pre-1914 and even more so in the 19th century. We were doing just fine under monarchy and even better so under imperial immediacy. Then Woodrow Wilson and Co. decided "Hey, let's go fight these people :D" and permanently fucked over our continent.

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How come its the European states that always want separatism, and never Russia?
Because it would be in Russians interest to see Europe divided in micro-states

>include sami where there is no separatist movement at all
>not include novorossiya where a literal war is being fought
i don't see the logic

The USA should have sticked with the Monroe doctrin. Maybe they'd be a bit less of a global player now, but both them and Europe would have way less problems over all.

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If the US had not intervened in World War I we would literally not be having any problems right now.

First of Sami lands were never that big, second that area includes 900,000 Russians, 850,000 Norwegians and 630,000 Swedes, while only having at most 40 000 samis.
If You're gonna have a seperatist movement here then use a realistic one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Gulating

IM NO DIRTY FUCKING SAMI-GYPSY REEEEEEEEEEE

>what is chechnya

If local communities fully support secession there's nothing a government can do outside of spending gorillions of euros or just imprisoning/executing everyone. That would be a PR mess.

>Murmansk to Norway
I approve of this map. Git those metals and qts

Occitans are the real niggers of France.

>poor
>dirty
>speak in bastardized french
>women are whores
>'we wuz romangs 'n' sheeit'
>'we wuz troubadours 'n' sheeit'
>'we wuz templars 'n' sheeit til dem muthafuckin' nordistes took away our special powers'
>cities are filthy and havens for sex trafficking
>vote for socialists/communists every single election

Well, a much better long term solution is creating an education system feeding children with the mindset you deem correct. It is disgusting how much teacher shill for the EU.

A lot of those separatist groups are marxist cucks

That's true, Catalonia for instances. But what's the problem? Let them secede and fuck each other over with a socialist government at first. Then they'll switch to right wing after being raped by socialism.

>Toskeria and Gegeria
>Ilirida and Vardaria
>Dalmatia and Slavonia
>Ukraine and Donbrass
>Athens and Macedonia

YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THE BALKANS MORE!

>Karelian republic to Finland
>not giving Viipuri to Finland
I both approve and disapprove this.

I fully support this. I remember when I was still in college we were visited by a pair of literal propagandists for the EU. We were all told to attend instead of going to our usual classes. Insane.
youtube.com/watch?v=yx6-PHKzHvM

Wilson fucked up everything and made America the world police.

Its really dead since Putin has bough off Kadirev.
As a teen he actually used to cut off the heads of Russian soldiers during the 90's

>>vote for socialists/communists every single election
Maybe because the cuckservatives are jacobin genocidal nutjobs who allow arab in schools but not occitan or catalan?

Let me guess, you probably want to join the EU and hope it becomes a superstate, so you can receive gibs, right?

Here I remember in our English classes there are chapters about democracy and the EU. It's pretty much sucking the federalist EU cock. Sometimes they slip in counter-arguments but it's always like "Although there may be A, B, C problems with the EU, its positives are D, E, F, G, H, I , J, K, L, M, N......" you get the idea. It's blatant shilling.

Indeed he did Texas. Indeed he did.

If our "politicians are importing more third worlders" let's divide us a little bit more and weaken us even more, good f logic. :/

Not really, i don't care what it becomes, i want in only for the Gibs.

Only in English classes? Good on you, we got the full service: English, politics, history, hell sometimes even in German. I was waiting for the day our maths teacher started shilling for the EU. Political neutrality in schools my fucking ass.

AnCap Here. That is, I am favored secession... But in the present state of Europe, I do not support all the movements of indepedence.
Only the truly nationalist and ethnic. Some of these are cucks in the extreme, they will spread the legs for blacks and Muslims.

The best at the moment is leave the EU.

The whole reason Balkan went to shit is because they were united despite having different cultures in the first place. Yes when Tito was around things were okay. What about after? Or would you be insane enough to try and unite Israel and Palestine? Separation and cooperation is the best way of achieving peace. You don't put cats and dogs into a cage and expect them to work out their differences. It just doesn't work.

Can I an euro 2 for gibs?

I can't speak for all movements, but movements here in Germany, especially the Bavarian, are conservative and want to close the border. Hell, some want to reinstate monarchy.

Ah, Wolne Miasto Gdańsk (Free City of Gdańsk/Danzig) - we can only dream...

>you probably want to join the EU and hope it becomes a superstate, so you can receive gibs
but that's the whole point of the eu you fucking kraut
do you believe this is your 4th reich or what?
If you don't pay we will all leave

If we divide then what passes in a given territory does not affect the other. We can still salvage some lands while laughing at those who did not listen to us.

It's ridiculous to say there is political neutrality in schools. It's always shilling for some political agenda. And that agenda tends to be more democracy, more government, more socialism, etc. It's abhorrent.

I fully agree that leaving the EU is crucial, but I'd say we should also support the ethno/cultural-nationalists and the secession movements which are at least regionalist or right-wing. And we can only hope Madam President Le Pen drives the stake through this monster's heart and kills it permanently. The frogs will get fucked because she's a socialist, but we'll physically remove the Muslims and the refugees and at least regain our sovereignty.

Well, Merkel does pay though, much to my dismay. You can starve for all that I care, I couldn't care less about some idiotic pseudo nationalistic circlejerk about a 4th reich. That would be the Schulz fags.

>separatist Europe
>Ireland is united
>separatist
>united

Wut

you are the one that will starve though

I don't fully grasp if you are adovating for or against the EU right now.

>90% of these regions is ethnic russians
>Murmank in Norway
>Transbaikalia in China
It's even more meme, then Latvia to German Reich. At Least Latvia never existed as nation and were german colony.

Germany is starving you and everyone else of human capital. Yes they're currently giving you gibs but what about in the long run? The productive people move to the best economy and the lagging states get exponentially shittier making you essentially a debt slave. It's doomed to fail by design.

Yes, lets make another Macedona and Kosovo.
That will show them.

Shhh! Accept your fate, Ivan. Complaining will make the pain hurt more.

Reminder.

>let's just let Serbs massacre the Albanians
Maybe if Serbs had more local control the Albanians wouldn't have spread to that area in the first place.

on the contrary, germany is just geting hispanized
This shit about human capital is a meme, at the end of the day that means germany will be less german just like USA is now less anglo
Nations use to send their own people to colonize other nations, not the other way around.

Make Hanover English Again!!

I don't give a shit about national regions, they must be separated and their members should deported from ethnic russian lands.
But separate ethnic russian regions, which even not historical regions like Novgorod or Don and appeared only in USSR because some balts butthurted coz "Reeeee Russia so beeeeeg"?
Really?

>AnCap Here

Dividing even more German clay ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

>t. statist cuck

Maybe if someone let them finish the job, there wouldnt be any left to spread.

Attracting productive citizens is the exact opposite of an open borders policy combined with a welfare state. In fact how do you think USA got rich in the first place? By attracting productive people from Europe who wanted to make a better life for themselves free from shitty European governments.

So you'd rather have a German nation ruled by politicians out of touch with the people, because they govern over far too much regions, and only do what is in their best interest? Seperatism and regionalism is in the best interest of the people.

>how do you think USA got rich in the first place? By attracting productive people from Europe who wanted to make a better life for themselves free from shitty European governments.
bullshit
it was because they had the larger lakes and arable land on the whole planet and a natural border made of oceans wich made them untouchable

I rather want the cuck/commie politcian shits to be kicked out

Almost

There's only 5, arguably 6 cultures in the Balkans, the rest are Wewuz-tier.

In a way you should be grateful you got separated after ww2. What if they united you into what would become East Germany?

Economic freedom is correlated with GDP. More freedom means more productivity. And the US at the time was the freest system. You can go muh lakes and land all you want but the pouring of immigrants from Europe and the subsequent prosperity say all that needs to be said.

Missing these:
>Donetsk
>Luhansk
>East Germany
>Republik Srpska
>Serbian Krajina
>Prussia
>Ulster

Well, a damn shame that people still want them or vote even futher left. It's almost like (((democracy))) favors leftism, by using the fact that leftists are nothing more than sheep.

It's not your land nignog, just as the Jews claim divine right to Israel, so the Sami deserve their ancestral clay. You got BTFOd and turned neutral anyway. Also, doesn't one of your politicians want to declare war on Denmark so that he can immediately surrender and hand over Scane?

More than 90% of those "movements" are complete memes that no actual person believes in IRL

The only ones that you could argue are at least somewhat legitimate are Catalonia, the Basques and Cuckland

Then why is Switzerland or Singapore not a nuclear superpower ruling the planet?

In relation to their size they are incredibly well off. Both of them are economic powerhouses and one thousand times better places to live in than any EU country.

Let them vote left so hard that they get a full commie cultural marxists that runs this country economy to the ground so people get off their ass
traitors can be dealt with later

The argument was over prosperity. Both those countries have plenty of it. Power is a different matter.

Navarra, Aragon, Leon, Galicia and Castille are not only older entities than the USA, they're older than the country that spawned it and that's just Spain.

Unfortunatly that'S not how it works. If the commies are voted they have full on (((legitimation))) to turn Germany into the soviet union 2.0 and you know what, all the cucks will love it, there won't be an awakening. Those who don't like it will be lynched, easy as that. This "just let them destroy themselves" meme will be our end. Shit will hit the fan soon, but not in a good way for us.

>WE WUZ OLD N SHIT

Most of the regions and whatnot on that map are undoubtedly older than the US, I'm not disputing that. That doesn't mean they have significant numbers of people that want them to be independent

People will definitly not get off their ass while they have food money and live the good life in cuckmany

Nobody doubts that, the point is that them being independent would be better, despite the normie consensus.

Sami people are leeches. Everything they have is funded by Finnish, Norwegian and Swedish tax payers.

The German Michel is the bane of our existance.

Don't get me started. You're country is just a duchy of Sweden that was given independence because the cucks got shit scared of Russia.

>norman independence
when?

so size matters, that's what I meant

then spain is more prosperous than usa

Democracy does favor leftism. Democracy is majoritarian rule; demagoguery; property expropriation and redistribution of each person's self ownership. We all hold each others hostage under democracy.

Sami land is way too big, it doesnt make any sense to have the borders go that far down in Norway

Size matters for military power. True liberty on the other hand can't be achieved in a huge chunk of land, populated by millions of people who are ruled by some few, thinking they could take decisions that represent everybody. representation can only be achieved the smaller the gruop.