How do you explain/justify the existence of naturally occurring evil? What I mean by this is, how does a theist explain evil that occurs independent of free will, such as natural disasters and disease.
As an agnostic, this is always the biggest issue I have with the problem of evil.
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How do we know those things are actually evil rather than macroscopic good?
>As an agnostic
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God isn't benevolent, he is a tyrant.
This is a good thing
This. OP is literally retarded.
>natural disasters and disease
But what if this is nature/god/the universe's way of stopping humanity from dying of some other source?
From an agnostic standpoint, there is no 'evil' there is just people following their own path to order.
>what if death and destruction are good, but we just dont realize it
yea and IM the retarded one
Being itself is inseparable from evil.
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Please don't get too depressed now.
God kills us, so we dont get killed?
what i mean by agnostic is that I dont believe definitively that there is or isnt a god/creator
>evil = subjectively bad
>subjectively bad = negative response
>negative response = instinctual scares
>instinctual scares = looming predator
>looming predator = lion
>lion = evil
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Sure, why not? Perhaps we're headed for a species-ending situation because of over-population or some other criteria, and the only way to prevent it is to kill a large but ultimately insignificant number of people.
>being created to only be eaten by a lion is the action of a benevolent creator
Death and destruction are a fact of life. They are neutral. If I kill a man in self defense, am I evil? Its is the circumstances and context of the death and destruction that decide its morality, not the act itself.
but why set a scenario up as god, why create a species capable of such multiplication on a finite plane?
In the context of the problem of evil, natural disasters conflict with gods benevolence. Your example has to do with free will, what I'm asking is: If god is benevolent, why did he make a world that is full of naturally occuring events that lead to suffering.
Christianity sees this current world as being imperfect and corrupt by man. Our sinfulness affects everything around us.
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It's not a meme. It's the answer to your question.
Nature being "good" -> Harmony -> Order -> Creation
Humans being "good" -> Organicism -> Compassion -> Creation
Nature being "evil" -> chaotic -> Disorder -> destruction
Humans being "evil" -> individualism -> egocentric -> destruction
God is nothing more than a movement between both.
God does not intend to micromanage his creation. The fact that God has given humans free will proves that God's will is for us, as his creatures, to not be bound to a static existence. The universe is given a sort of "free will" for much the same reason. God designed his creation to be dynamic. Without this function, life as we know it could not exist.
Now, evil exists only where there is free will. Natural disasters are not evil. They are unfortunate, and may cause much suffering, but they are not evil. God intended, when he put Adam and Eve in the garden, to protect them from the harmful effects of nature. After the fall, we are no longer under the protection of God in relation to these things, and as we await the new heavens and earth, we must try to enjoy the beautiful things in nature and endure the hardships. When disaster occurs, we must remember that God has planned something more for us, and that suffering can be offered up to God.
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>actually listening to inane pornstar babble
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Perhaps there is an even longer-term benefit to our population expanding massively. For instance:
If the number of people on Earth is greater than 10 billion by year A, humanity ends. However, if humanity isn't at least 15 billion by year B, humanity also ends.
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>although BASEBALL BASEBALL BASEBALL was pretty funnny
That was not just funny, that was hilarious... but it happened in a different vid.
In OP's vid, her most memorable quote was "I am literally blind HEHEHE"
>evil that occurs independent of free will
Evil CANNOT occur independant of free will.
Evil is a moral judgement on how one free willed individual treats anouther free willed individual.
Morality does not apply to natural disasters.
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>Implying natural disasters are or can be evil
>Implying natural disasters aren't apart of a cleansing period
This guy is a cuck.
There is no indication in the bible that natural disasters are caused by sin, but rather that natural disaster are acts of God.
Implying that the person did not accomplish anything in those years in between, dont be fucking stupid
Physics
Humanity does not innovate or flourish in times of peace - it is strife, danger, and struggle that brings out the best in our kind, that lets us accomplish great and memorable things. If God intends us to achieve greatness, then disasters like these may be his impetus to drive that change and awaken that spirit in humanity.
>such as natural disasters and disease
is this evil though?
That "God has nothing to do with this." line always weirded me out.
Evil is a result of freewill.
To imagine how this makes sense, imagine what it would take for god to remove evil from us.
It would mean he would have to dictate our fate and control our actions or else we might commit evil deeds. Think of it like Big Brother. Crime sure is low in a dystopian dictatorship.
I completely misread your post.
Transition periods are essential
>without X, cannot have Y
doesnt sound like omnipotence
>natural disasters are not evil
Natural disasters are discussed in religious philosophy along with the problem of evil. The idea is, how can a god capable of all things who loves us more than imaginable allow needless suffering to occur.
The "evil" in the problem is suffering. I'm not talking about some kind of malicious intent on the part of a hurricane, more on the part of the person who creates an individual just so they can be killed by a hurricane.
>god intended to protect adam and eve from the evils of nature
why even make the harmful effects of nature in the first place? this is the apple meme for fucks sake anyway
no but does she?
>perhaps theres something and we just dont realize it yet
what is this something you speak of
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in philosophy, the "evil" in the problem of evil refers to suffering.
The question is: how can a god who loves us more than we can imagine allow suffering to exist when he has the capacity to prevent it.
Suffering happens independent of free will all the time.
>Implying death is always a bad thing and not a natural part of life
imagine being this much of a sniveling pussy
what is moral nihilism for 300 Alex?
Absolutely no idea, but I'm going to say that there's a trans-dimensional, rival god created by the version of humanity currently living in the timeline where Hillary won. The god of our timeline requires our population to reach a certain level for him to have the strength needed to defeat this rival god and restore balance to the universe. Or something.
Suffering is an innate part of existence.
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>Suffering happens independent of free will all the time.
True, but it's not EVIL that causes the suffering, it's just reality.
Evil is a moral judgment that only applies to the behaviors of free willed individuals towards one another.
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>le problem of evil meme
If evil exists, as you assert, then good exists
If objective good and evil exist then there must be a moral law
If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver
We call that moral law giver God. The very problem of evil asserts in the very question there is a God who establishes the concept of good and evil
is it not evil to allow something to suffer when you could prevent the suffering?
Your view of God is a false and paganistic one. In ancient times, people who thought like you did offered up ritual sacrifices of animals and humans in order to appease the weather as if there was choice in the matter.
Evil is a byproduct of free will. Evil is simply Human Error. Error or evil, same thing different words. And it isn't binary, there are small errors, big errors, some forgivable some not forgivable.
Your worldview is very subverted and contorted from the truth.
rather irrelevant, it's a christian problem - dualistic. Some of those old toesuckers living in monkhouses probably tried to answer it.
I guess it's something like:
''God created man so they could worship him and worship only gives mana if it's by free choice''.
No such thing as evil.
it is both evil and good balancing out, God doesn't take sides.
>the problem of evil
it's not a problem unless you assume everything is supposed to be good, which there is no reason to think
good and bad are concepts we incorrectly project on the universe
natural disasters and disease arent evil. they just are.
What you think of as god is a lie.
The bible is around for the stronger to exploit less evolved spirits.
We're all here to learn lessons on how to be a god, the first lesson is realizing you are part of the universe and not separate from it.
There is also a lot to learn about mercy and compassion.
Also permanence.
Exactomundo
Nature without sapience is simply nature aka neutrality. Sapience aka Free Will introduces the dichotomy of good aka God and evil aka Error.
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>natural evil
Humans are not naturally evil or good. We are an open book, and we have the free will to choose either.
How exactly is a natural disaster evil? I believe evil acts take intent.
Gravity, wind, and heat aren't exactly good or evil. We could not survive without them.
Yet you can fall to you death because of gravity. The wind can blow your house off a cliff. Heat can burn you alive. Just because tragic things happen doesn't make them evil, just unfortunate.
if you are asking why bad things can exist in the world, instead of pain, suffering, and death not existing then it's quite simple. Because the same laws of physics that bring us pleasure also bring us pain. Blame Adam and Eve for sinning if you want to know why we aren't living in the Garden of Eden.
We wanted free will, and we got it. You can't have the good without the bad.
Reality is a story. Stories need to have negative elements to be interesting. It's not that difficult.
Hello there "agnostic" nature is not evil aswell as natural disasters, they are just dangerous you know like fire or sharp objects. You stupid fucking monkey!!!!
>god is doing microevils for the macrogoods
if you allow a bad thing to happen when you could prevent it, are you doing good?
sounds more like the opposite.
As a Christian Theist, I believe that Evil is not a fundamental part of the universe, but rather, the result of disobeying God's will, which is laid out in His commandments. God, in His benevolent wisdom, gave us free will. Humans are deeply flawed due to our predisposition to sin, exacerbated by the temptations of Satan and his Demons, explaining Humanity's violent, selfish, and hedonistic nature.
That's a a good question.
How can you both have free will and also never have anything bad happen to you?
You could live in a world where you never got hurt, but then you wouldn't have free will. There is no innate force that stops you from burning your hand on a stove, getting punched, or pointing a gun at your head. If three was, would you truly have free will?
God allowed himself to be betrayed and disobeyed. He could have easily just forced everyone to obey.
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The problem of evil is only a problem when you start from the premise of a single god.
If you want to stuck yourself to a monotheist point of view, then the problem of evil is "solved" by relativism (greater good in the end, unknown intentions, blah blah blah).
That is only for the christian god, as neither muslims or jews have a problem with an evil god (God wills it).
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If you ever wonder, "Am I wrong, or was Leibniz wrong?" you can be sure Leibniz was never fucking wrong.
an evil god is the only way i can reconcile unjustifiable suffering and theism at this point in time. it just contradicts everything i was indoctrinated to believe
if god has no free will, then it would explain evil existing as necessity, in that, he could not choose to create the world without it.
but this does away with his omnipotence
>evil that exists independant of free will
That does not exist.
>such as natural disasters and disease
These things are not evil. Your definitions are trash kiddo.
Well you can go full gnostic and think about the possibility of this world being acted upon by more players...
And then there is the problem of how many layers of simulations are there. Who created this world god/s? Was he/they created as well? And should we care?
Is unnecessary suffering a good thing? Is god benevolent if he placed us in a world that naturally can kill us?
Your understanding to the problem of evil is trash, kiddio.
>is suffering a good thing
Yes, unnecessary or otherwise.
>is God benevolent if he placed us in a world that naturally can kill us
Death is not a bad thing. You think it is because you're a materialist.
God gave us the gift of free will. He could easily take away everyone's free will and only allow you to do things that don't hurt yourself or others.
I'm grateful that we were given such gifts. We have free will, the ability for us to choose God and to choose to do the right thing.
A person in handcuffs with a gun to their head doing charity work because they are told to means nothing. You should be grateful you even have the ability to doubt your faith. If you are saying God is evil because he stands back and allows everyone to experience free will, then you are wrong. That's what makes God so loving.
Death isn't permanent. You just leave this place for another one. Your suffering here is only temporary, but your decisions and actions here are permanent.
>Unnecessary suffering is a good thing, with no explanation as to why.
watch yourself on that edge friend
>death is not bad
yet, im sure you would do anything reasonable to prevent your own death, like, looking both ways before crossing the street. or maybe im wrong.