It is a racist symbol. And it's a traitor flag. Robert E. Lee himself refused to have anything to do with the flag after the war because he considered it divisive. He spoke on record about it, and refused to have it draped on his casket when he died. He insisted that the South needed to let go of all that Confederacy pride because it was 100% necessary to devote themselves back to the country and heal the rifts. Not to mention, you can't allow Confederate holdouts to continue whispering about rebellion after the reunification.
No one is saying we should forget history, and the South should absolutely know its history so we don't have such a horrific, country-rending rift occur again. People like me aren't telling you the flag is racist because we want it banned entirely and to erase history. It's the opposite. You NEED to accept its racist, bloody history.
The Swastika for instance. It was once a Buddhist symbol, from what I recall, only its orientation is flipped. You have to accept that the symbol, no matter what it meant BEFORE... it is now a symbol of Nazism, hate, and the Holocaust. You can't separate it from the history. Bad with the good.
Speaking of Nazism... Did you know that the Nazi flag and all symbolism relating to the Third Reich was banned after the war? It's a very serious crime there, and not because they're censoring history. The Germans just realize that they CANNOT allow that kind of hateful sentiment to rise up again, and symbols have power. Do you know what skinheads in Europe fly because the Swastika is banned?
They use the Stars and Bars. Europe recognizes its racist meaning. We need to as well.
Oliver Perry
You can be proud of your Southern heritage without flying a flag that literal traitors carried around while trying to secede from the union. That isn't me being mean, or snarky, or hyperbolic. That is literally what they were. Why would anyone want to carry around the flag of the losing side that fought to keep slavery?
What kind of message does that send? "Heritage, not hate," is a very common argument. But I've just attempted to logically and reasonably explain why that's hogwash.
Hope that clears things up.
Oh. And for FUCKSAKE THEY TERRORIZED AN EIGHT YEAR OLD'S BIRTHDAY PARTY WITH A FLAG THAT THE KKK USES. And black people haven't forgotten, nor should they, that the KKK was lynching them a few decades ago.
That is called terrorism. Period. This was a very good verdict and sentence. These two pieces of garbage are below bottom of the barrel.
Elijah Nguyen
The Swastika is older than writing.Used by nearly all cultures that have records left. If you accept that the swastika is a nazi symbol you are an idiot.
Gabriel Hughes
YANKEE SHILL GET OUT
Blake Roberts
Fuck off kike
Asher Green
I proudly fly the stars and bars and ensign flag on my porch with zero fucks given, if you don't like it I dare you to do something about it (hint: yelling and screaming won't do anything because I will gun you down in cold blood and piss on your corpse without a second thought yankee scumbag piece of filth).
Josiah Jackson
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Asher Rogers
"Traitor". I always cringe when I see liberals accuse someone else of being a traitor. They have nothing but contempt for their country or any sense of heritage or nationalism .
Jason Bennett
>pretending to know shit about history lol liberals and their "anything-I-make-up-is-fact" mentality
Eli Brown
The south will rise again. I'm counting on you fellas.
Nolan Moore
That's was never the official confederate flag you Yankee
Aaron Collins
the confederate flag scares me
Evan Ortiz
prove me wrong.
Dylan Robinson
"Period."
I always see thisn shilley bait threads punctuated like this. Is this part of the CRTs script or whatever they're called now. You always see that. its like they think if they say "period" this means they automatically win the arguement.
Nathaniel Johnson
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Grayson Price
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Ethan Myers
What is this modern meme that the confederates were nazis
Their government was virtually identical to the northern government
Carter Morales
Thanks Germanbro, same to you as well.
Camden Martin
So you ban this flag because of Dylan Roof and yet ISIS flags are still okay to fly despite all the terrorism and hatred they're committing globally? Alright.
Alexander Moore
Sage ops a faggot kys
James Myers
>general's insignia on collar >sergeant stripes on arms triggered
Juan Watson
OP is a faggot, report and move on
Levi Bailey
>tfw my liberal VA town has a Confederate soldiers memorial >It will never come down because localities need direct permission from the permared state legislature to remove anything historical ;)
Jacob Robinson
If I have to choose between being a traitor to the union and being a traitor to my people, I would rather be a traitor to the union.
Christopher Edwards
fuck off ya faggot yank. ill fly that damn flag till i die.
William Edwards
U R Faget
Nolan Green
Im pretty sure we were forced to do so because we lost
Jordan Green
What do you think of General William Sherman's career after the Civil War?
He goes on to either exterminate or round up the plains Indians.
That was done under the USA flag (with less stars than today) sweety. So you are only mad at Confederates or you are only brave when the flag is flown by defeated people?
My family was Union during the war, btw. You are one serious pussy if you still hate the Confederacy.
So which is it? Do you actually love the USA or do you only hate Confederates? Because a lot of bloodshed and suppression of primitive peoples has been done under the American Flag.
Oliver Bell
You act like there was something bad about people wanting sovereignty and self-determination. Why is it bad to rebel against the United States Federal Government?
Henry Foster
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Carson Walker
The war of norther agression had little to do with slavery.
Matthew Allen
Your implying OP is intelligent enough to figure this out in the first place
Caleb Gray
Actual Yankee here. OP is a fucking retard and probably a commie faggot. I am not ashamed of the Civil War and the South shouldn't be either.
Wyatt Reyes
> Liberals calling anybody else a traitor The only thing your loyal to is your own butt hole. Piss off faggot.
Luke Martinez
I wish there was a Finnish equivalent of the confederate battle flag that I could have around to piss everyone off. There's always the nazi flags, but they would make me look like elämänkallu.
Jack Campbell
Confederates weren't traitors, the Union accepted back all Confederate veterans with no penalties and restored their citizenship. They are just as much a veteran as the Union soldier of the time. The war was about much more than slavery, you are ignoring the complexity of the affair and comparing this to Nazism; which I would argue isn't a comparable conflict
Angel White
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Ian Reed
>Colonials dropped the Queen Anne's flag because it was no longer who they were.
>Traitors fly the Betsy Ross flag because it is what they continue to be.
I'll never understand how people can demonize the confederacy for attempting to leave the Union when that's exactly what we did to escape Britain. What is the difference?
Owen Hill
daily reminder that if the confederate flag = nazi flag the democratic party = nazi party
Asher Ward
If the Confederate is a traitors' flag, so is the American flag. It is the flag of traitors who betrayed their country while conspiring with foreign governments.
Andrew Roberts
>You NEED to accept its racist, bloody history.
Tell you what, dig up that war criminal sack of shit Sherman from Arlington and dump his carcass in the sewer and then we'll accept our history.
You say Lincoln is the greatest President we ever had; but from where I sit I see a man who got 650,000 people killed, suspending habeus corpus and damned half the country to decades of poverty in order to maintain his own authority. Only 3% of southerners had slaves; but all of them got to suffer at the hands of the federal government.
You say the south is deluded about our history, I say its the north.
Carson Howard
Why we don't fly it anymore? We completely lost our identity, this is why we don't want to have anything to do with the pre 1945 germany. Americans didn't lose their identity completely, this is way there is still the confederate flag. It's as simple as that.
Julian Long
just here to watch the fight
Jaxson Richardson
Fucking hippies man.
Evan Murphy
Sage thread
Angel Watson
The same people that screech until they're blue in the face about the Confederate flag and how they were all traitors are now the same ones in California demanding a referendum to allow the state to leave the union.
Wyatt Nelson
Fuck off Rand Go back to working for Kentucky and do your god damn job you freeloading manlet
Julian Morgan
>I am not ashamed of the Civil War You should be motherfucker You should be
Jack Johnson
>It is a racist symbol.
Fuck you, nigger.
Hunter Bennett
Dixie is a friend to you any time mate, feel free to visit as long and whenever you want
Nathaniel Morris
dose that make the dukes of hazzard racist?
Joshua Jackson
I fly it just to piss off nigger faggots like you
Jaxon Barnes
The swastika was never a budhist symbol
Nicholas Taylor
Just use the northern Virginia battle standard Most people equate it to the propaganda the north invented behind the war so it will have the effect you want Could always use the actual flag as well
James Allen
STOP FREEING SLAVES
Evan Allen
There will be a 2nd US Civil war, but it won't be North vs South.
It will be Constitutional Patriots vs Leftist Socialists who have hijacked the nation, and will sue the armies of NATO to attempt to enforce their tyranny.
But if the Patriots can wage a proper guerilla war, they can win and restore freedom not just for the United States, but begin a movement that will restore it to the entire free world.
Freedom began in America, and it will either be saved in America or it will die in America. All you non-Americans who bash the US constantly cannot ignore this fact. You should be supporting American patriots.
Colton Barnes
>old news >only mentally ill libtards care
sage
Jayden Sanchez
>Sherman >War criminal Nigger please All is fair game I'm war, he did what was needed to do to win Had we done the same I guarantee you it would have been just as justified He did his duty and followed his orders to the letter
Hunter Howard
>we lost the war >accept the results Wow really make my gonads tingle
Logan Gomez
Well said
David Thomas
The Spirit of the South is alive and well in every freedom loving patriot in this country, regardless of which side of the Mason-Dixon line they may reside.
Christopher Jones
Southerners stopped using niggers to pick cotton b/c the cotton gin did a much better job. If you argue niggers still have a place in this country then you are a luddite.
Aaron Hernandez
You do realize that the stars and bars isn't the flag of the Confederacy, right? It's the flag of the army led by Robert E. Lee, the personification of a man who cared less about the politics than about defending his home.
Your stupid argument was destroyed before you finished making it.
Cooper Gonzalez
Not sure if democrat trying to hide their shame or actual retard trying to ban free speech.
Elijah James
I'm going to fly the confederate flag >But it's racist dude so? >It's racist
Carson Hughes
Thats a DEMOCRAT flag, they created it, they own it. Read your history nigger! >> I guess it IS a traitors flag.
Camden Ross
Fuck off cuck, America died with the confederacy.
Juan Morris
The swasiticka is an anti communist symbol and was derived from an old sign on hitlers church from when he was a child and if you want to disagree watch "Adolf Hitler-The breasts story never told"
Hunter Flores
The Union won, it really is that simple. Now cucks are free to throw around traitor as if it has any meaning.
Lincoln Ortiz
>flag is racist it's more relevant now than ever. kys fag
Tyler Robinson
>implying there is anything wrong with racism Back to your proud boy parade, f'm
Eli Cook
It is a racist symbol. And it's a oppressive flag. No one is saying we should forget history, and Hawaii should absolutely know its history so we don't have such a horrific, oppressive colonization of native peoples occur again. People like me aren't telling you the flag is racist because we want it banned entirely and to erase history. It's the opposite. You NEED to accept its racist, bloody history.