This thread is for the discussion of leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism.
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Libertarian: Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read) Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils
what about meritocracy,I've never seen commies even mention it.What if a perfectly able person works less but is treated like a moron so he gets special treatment?
Nicholas Green
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
Cut the legs off of the tall guy and staple the pieces to the manlets' legs and you got your communism right.
Caleb Lopez
What do you do when tall guy decides he wants a better view, so he takes little guys box?
Christian Lewis
>>>>>>>>>>HE BELIEVES COMMUNISM "WORKS" HAVE FUN GETTING ASS REAMED BY JAMAL AFTER HE INVADES YOUR HOUSE AND CLAIMS IT AS A COMMUNITY HOME FAGGOT GO BACK TO SUCKING COCK AT YOUR UNIVERSITY YOU RETARDED FUCK
Samuel Hill
Reminder that Stalin killed 60 million people, just to name one communist dictator.
Oliver Long
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Ryan Sanchez
>b-but gommunism killed 600 bajillion people!
Anthony Russell
>failed system >d-dont worry guys it'll totally work this time
Parker Bailey
Stop being a Marxist Stop being a Capitalist Start being a National Socialist
Asher Brown
How about everyone is EQUALLY told to stop peeking over the fence and get a fucking ticket?
Michael Roberts
kewl non sequitur
Jason Howard
Hello comrades
Kayden Thompson
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Christian Jones
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Alexander Williams
post more
Joshua James
Fuck communism and fuck communists
Josiah Davis
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Benjamin Turner
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Aiden Rivera
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Easton Carter
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Ian Hernandez
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Nicholas Harris
Die you failure
Camden Powell
equality is a trickle-down concept
Christopher Jackson
From each to according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Brody Wood
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Jordan Ward
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Zachary Miller
This is socialism. yes. Also pro tip: you have no need for baseball in socialism, you can only smuggle capitalist baseball illegally across border. What can you see soc serfs are doing.
Zachary Gray
bump
Bentley Stewart
I made a /fasc/, /ancap/, and /com/ thread and guess which one is still there?
David Mitchell
Wrong
socialism : from each according to their ability, to each according to their CONTRIBUTION
Evan James
why is the manlet hogging all the boxes
seems somewhat unfair to me
John Smith
>Stalin >62 million
hahahaha, nice try, jimmy
Adam Murphy
600 million
Charles Perry
Here is the problem, communists don't have any abilities.
Andrew Butler
he killed less than 5 million
Andrew Kelly
nah, he was only at 20m (8m more than hitler) - trailing another communist (mao) by more than 20m
Isaiah Russell
Wheres the security to slap these fuckers for not buying tickets?
Must build a taller wall.
Samuel Scott
Yeah. My bad.
Liam Sanders
Funny.
In a commie society, everyone would be assigned a box.
In a capitalist society, Mr Lanklet would have no need of a box and so he would forgo the expenditure in purchasing one, or if he already had one, he would sell it to the manlet for a tidy profit.
Nathaniel Perry
Yes Stalin, completely trustworthy. He would never order the deaths of innocent men
Hunter Sanchez
Reported
Jordan Ortiz
I hope you are ready Sup Forums, for we have chosen the skellington of spookies as our egrogore.
Hunter Bell
Does it have a penbis?
Jonathan Campbell
Equality =/= equity OP pic related a shit
Isaac Miller
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Isaac Cruz
That picture should be depicting the tall one making boxes while the other two enjoy the game.
Asher Williams
that's called equity not equality u dumb shit
Ian Morgan
Bumping with more skelltens
Benjamin Edwards
Who defines what you need?
Noah Campbell
>tfw the workers of spaceX havent seized their means of production and sent a real live skellington to space yet.
Logan Davis
>mfw communism outlasted national socialism m-maybe I was wrong...
Jose Perez
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL
Colton Nelson
the dictator
ahem i mean the glorious leader
Jonathan Perry
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Isaiah Brooks
How is leftism not a good deal? We have plenty of it to fit every little taste your body bones can desire!
>Syndicalism >Tankiesm >Anarchism >Sorelianism >Egoism >Stalinism >Trotskyism >Jacobinism >socialism >communism >islamic gommunizm >Juche And much more!
Luke Adams
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Carson Wright
In sosialist dreams have huge flaw. In sosialist model competitoin is nearly eliminated and it kills the speed of technology reasearch we have right now. If there is not competition, no one has need to go to the limits. And same time if company have no clear leaders, it means that direction of where company is going and who is responsible is blurred line. And that is how to destoroy a company. And in sosialist ideology, it is easy to just hang on on the system and abuse the sosial safety net, why to do anything if you can live without doing anything? It is nice ideology with freaking huge problems.
Joseph Baker
LOL
Andrew Butler
>In sosialist model competitoin is nearly eliminated and it kills the speed of technology reasearch we have right now. >competition leads to technological innovation Who went into space first? Say it.
Isaiah Myers
Per your picture why would the tallest guy share the boxes at all? He's bigger stronger and faster than the others.
Thomas Thompson
Does not the threat of an atomic catastrophe which could wipe out the human race also serve to protect the very forces which perpetuate this danger? The efforts to prevent such a catastrophe overshadow the search for its potential causes in contemporary industrial society. These causes remain unidentified, unexposed, unattacked by the public be- cause they recede before the all too obvious threat from without--to the West from the East, to the East from the West. Equally obvious is the need for being prepared, for living on the blink, for facing the challenge. We submit to the peaceful production of the means of destruction, to the perfection of waste, to being educated for a defense which deforms the defenders and that which they defend.
Christopher Lopez
Germans
Juan Collins
Enjoy sharing an apartment with 6 diffrent families
Juan Rodriguez
niceme.me
Joshua Evans
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Isaac Green
The conformism which has dwelt within social democracy from the very beginning rests not merely on its political tactics, but also on its economic conceptions. It is a fundamental cause of the later collapse. There is nothing which has corrupted the German working-class so much as the opinion that they were swimming with the tide. Technical developments counted to them as the course of the stream, which they thought they were swimming in. From this, it was only a step to the illusion that the factory-labor set forth by the path of technological progress represented a political achievement. The old Protestant work ethic celebrated its resurrection among German workers in secularized form. The Gotha Program [dating from the 1875 Gotha Congress] already bore traces of this confusion. It defined labor as “the source of all wealth and all culture.”
Juan Morgan
Suspecting the worst, Marx responded that human being, who owned no other property aside from his labor-power, “must be the slave of other human beings, who... have made themselves into property-owners.” Oblivious to this, the confusion only increased, and soon afterwards Josef Dietzgen announced: “Labor is the savior of modern times... In the... improvement... of labor... consists the wealth, which can now finally fulfill what no redeemer could hitherto achieve.” This vulgar-Marxist concept of what labor is, does not bother to ask the question of how its products affect workers, so long as these are no longer at their disposal. It wishes to perceive only the progression of the exploitation of nature, not the regression of society. It already bears the technocratic traces which would later be found in Fascism. Among these is a concept of nature which diverges in a worrisome manner from those in the socialist utopias of the Vormaerz period [pre-1848]. Labor, as it is henceforth conceived, is tantamount to the exploitation of nature, which is contrasted to the exploitation of the proletariat with naïve self-satisfaction. Compared to this positivistic conception, the fantasies which provided so much ammunition for the ridicule of Fourier exhibit a surprisingly healthy sensibility. According to Fourier, a beneficent division of social labor would have the following consequences: four moons would illuminate the night sky; ice would be removed from the polar cap; saltwater from the sea would no longer taste salty; and wild beasts would enter into the service of human beings. All this illustrates a labor which, far from exploiting nature, is instead capable of delivering creations whose possibility slumbers in her womb. To the corrupted concept of labor belongs, as its logical complement, that nature which, as Dietzgen put it, “is there gratis [for free].”
Charles Roberts
What's with all the disinfo and autistic screeching, anyway?
Jonathan Stewart
Irl there is no fence. Thats the problem. Irl humanity is limited by the tallest. Not the average.
Lucas Morgan
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Nicholas Rogers
Capitalist actual seats in stadium in paid off seat drinking beer and eating hot dogs and watch how capitalist athletes play the game.
David Lopez
>Stalin good boi he dindu nuffin Also, who is Jimmy?
Levi Lewis
>little guy worked harder >earned two boxes instead of one >socialist
Wyatt Smith
>some people are just innately more disadvantaged than others, and need to be propped up in order to be equal So now that we can all admit that there are inferior beings among the mass of people we call human, why don't we just kill them? Commies certainly don't seem to have a problem with killing the successful ones. Hell, our boy Marx said that it would be worth killing everything but 1% of the population if necessary to realize communism. Or was that Lenin? Bah, whatever, they've killed more people than fascism anyway.
Sebastian Collins
clearly, you have not ready much - if any - left wing political philosophy.
Mason Johnson
Ahaha manlets, when will they learn?
Ian Cruz
Imagine if they'd just buy the tickets to the game.
Carson Brooks
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Asher Kelly
Kulaks, 5 million is the number of kulaks he killed.
Don't forget the Cossacks, or nobles, or intellectuals, or the religious see Sochi, Trast---(Can't spell russian names).
Just that, nothing more, he goes through the list of the waves as according to the survivors he met in the gulags. (A was a red army officer who was sent to gulags for no joke questioning the morality of raping en masse German woman during the invasion of Prussia)
Anthony Roberts
>Not being a fascist.
Jose Martin
Well yes, they did have competition against other country. But when you look what happend inside the country where competition is dead, they did manufacture same car model for over 30 years with just barely any modifications. Mean while in capitalist countires consumers had possibility too choose over 20 manufacturers cars for nearly hundreds of diffiren models, while in communist country they had only coupe of models aviable, and not even possible on every time.
Luis Taylor
Here's a question: Why are most communists middle class and educated? Why are most working people anti-communist? Do you think most plumbers and carpenters feel like they're owed the fruits of other people's labor?
James Young
Following on from "Who defines what you need":
Who needs a dedicated graphics card in their computer?
Nathaniel Perry
For clarification the full number that stalin killed is immeasurable as it as the author of the Gulag archipeligo explains depends on where you start counting and who you count. That said, if you include Ukrainians in the Hodomar then 8 mil more. A safe estimate is 20mil. This does not include people enslaved.
Adrian Harris
The capitalist can just cut a hole in the fence. The state doesnt need to help you with that.
James Brown
Honest question: Why should I trust you communists to run the entire state/economy when you cannot even start a communal worker-run corporation?
Evan Evans
You are almost there. Just stop pretending hitler dindu nuffin Stalin dindu nuffin is even more idiot than hitler dindu nuffin
>hurr durr lets do the fascism >gubbermint imports mudslimes, lets corporations pay 1 burgerbuck an hour and the state foots the bill to meet minimum wage requirements by redistributing wealth from local population >state and corporate powers have been merged >anyone who speaks out against it gets jailed to maintain social order
You are seeing fascism in the form of feminine totalitarianism play out in Germany for reals without all the bullshit cover ups right now. Do you really want this?
Colton Powell
What you see in europe or US is not socialism, it's just retarded socdem.
Let me try to redpill a bit.
1)Communism is a meme until required manhours to produce anything is strict zero.
2)Libertarian socialism is a meme. Pure and simple.
3)Yes, capitalism is more natural and naturaly devolves into modern crony capitalism.
4)Socialism won't ever work until it's Nat-, CivNat- or something else-socialism. Why - socialism must be based on some ideology to replace consumer ideology, else it turns into modern soxdem shit.
5)Is there private property under socialism - yes it is, it's called personal property. Like your home, car etc.
6)Is there competition under socialism - yes it is. Your competition is yourself. Do more - recieve more. Do nothing - get gulaged.
7)Is there meritocracy under socialism - it's integral part of it. Double your work - get double gibs. Dindunuffin - You'll pay your dues in gulag.
Hunter Perry
Stop fucking attributing realpolitik to pure ideology.
USSR was hit the hardest by WW2, it had to rebuild itself and its allies. They didn't have Marshall plans.
Here's what you need to know when it comes to gommunism:
>people's wages grew by 500%+ >massive increase in quality of life, high levels of literacy and education >constant economic growth and NO RECESSIONS
Socialist economic approach is recession-proof.
Evan Wood
Fascism is right-wing. The German government is extremely left-wing.
