Stage one Capitalism. Capitalism is very good at building up infrastructure so in order to industrialize a nation regulated capitalism should be excepted
Stage two Socialism. In this stage the state becomes the workers state in which the workers become the ruling class and smash any bourgeois resistance the old state is destroyed and a new one constructed. This new state consists of localized workers councils that elect recallable representatives paid workmen's wages to a supreme senate which acts as a new goverment.
Stage three Withering. As classes begin to disappear and the bourgeois is assimilated into the working class the state is no longer necessary. The army and police begin to shrink as crime is no longer motivated by material needs and thus there is much less crime. The central planning and bureaucrats begin to shrink away as automation begins to make scarcity a thing of the past making more and more things free. Eventually the state withers away completely leading to the final stage.
Stage four Communism. Money and the state are abolished everything is free and distributed according to need. People work because they want to and to benefit mankind. Think Anarcho-star trek.
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
Is it possible that socialism works but communism doesn't?
Jayden Bell
Hi.
Jonathan Walker
Be honest, are you from redddit or /leftypol/?
Wyatt Cruz
The Frankfurt school isn't "Muh degeneracy" Its actually all about how capitalism cheapens legitimate culture and turns it into consumerism. You would know this if you had actually read the Frankfurt school.
Jaxson Long
Better dead than red desu.
Michael Baker
The mass of human biological behavioral research showing our tendency to gravitate towards leaders.
The immense psychometric research showing that intelligence is diverse and hereditary, and that talents are directly inter-correlated with intelligence, and that success is highly determined by intelligence.
Really, scientific evidence for human need for hierarchy and it's natural tendency to develop are as well confirmed as just about anything in the study of human behavior.
Why would I want to work my ass off if my neightbour gets exactly the same and can sit around playing games all day and breed more equally useless brats for me for take of?
Nathan Jones
You are not allowed to have a debate about marxism, socialism, or communism until you read the Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsy and know the evil it does and the vile notion of trying to voice an overtly egalitarian perfectionist ideology that forgoes freedom and competition for the sake of "equality" and "virtue"
I have here for you, the entire thing on audiobook. Feel free to learn and then come back when you understand the truth.
Well in socialism you wouldn't have to give any of your income to others because the entire concept of socialism is to stop others from stealing your labor.
Isaiah Watson
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
I don't visit reddit and I used to go to /leftypol/ but I got banned.
Jack Wilson
Why none of you ever mention part where only kikes ever hold pover in commie state and population is mongrelized with savage shitskins?
Brody Wood
The soviet union was never a true workers state due to its non-democratic nature. Socialist's doesn't want equality of outcome we want equality of opportunity. If you believe labor creates value it makes sense to award more value to those who put in more labor.
Brayden Fisher
Because that isn't part of the theory of Marxism.
Jordan Parker
Ah, me too... I'm not a communist though. I was just checking because plebbit and /leftypol/ sometimes raid this board, and I wanted to know if we were in the middle of one. What did they ban you for?
Alexander Hernandez
I was pretending to be an anarcho-capitalist to mess with them.
Kayden Howard
Just a friendly reminder:
It's okay to punch communists.
James Murphy
no but it's reality
Sebastian Hernandez
How would Jews come to power in a direct democracy in which workers council vote recallable representatives into the government?
Landon Rivera
Ah that'll do it. Perma-ban, I suppose? Those guys will sometimes boot you for life just for having a dissenting opinion. I never got perma-banned, but I stopped visiting as soon as I realized those faggots just didn't want any alternative opinions in their secret faggot club.
Adam Cruz
If it's inevitable then why has it never happened organically? How do you resolve the natural paradox of Marxism, which is that it originates in the bourgeoisie and only the bourgeoisie support it, not the proletariat?
Kayden Baker
No it was only for a month or so.
William Walker
The workers revolution hasn't happened yet because the bourg's have exported the worst parts of capitalism to china, India, Mexico, Ect. When workers in those country demand their rights the revolution will begin.
Evan Garcia
Another edgy 12 year old commifornia teen with daddy issues
Henry Peterson
The same way they always came to power in white states turned marxist. You either being ironic or extremely dumb(good) goy who never looks at racial side of question.
James Taylor
>Star Trek AKA - Fully automated luxury space communism
Leo Bell
If the workers didn't want Jews in power in a direct democracy they wouldn't vote for them.
Levi King
I like this description, because it so perfectly demonstrates how flawed collectivist thinking is. There has never been an attempt at Communism which has not stalled into a perpetual Socialist shithole. And then there are retard natsoc types who actively want that.
Eli Adams
The only case of workers voting i remember is german workers voting for Hitler and natsoc while at the other end of Europe commie kikes forcer Russian people into slavery and butchered anyone who dared to speak against them. Yet communists hate national-socialism more than any capitalism despite it being the only kind of socialism that turned out to be really effective. Marxism is about racial questions, not economical.
David Howard
Fuck communism and fuck communists
Colton Gray
The USSR and China ect wouldn't qualify as a dictatorship of the proletariat as bureaucrats not workers controlled the state. I would call the USSR a degenerated workers state because a legitimate workers revolution did happen but bureaucrats took over. As for the eastern block I would call them deformed workers states as no legitimate workers revolution ever happened.
Brayden Myers
>Money and the state are abolished everything is free and distributed according to need. People work because they want to and to benefit mankind. This is the exact opposite of what the USSR was. See; Animal Farm. The Bolsheviks didn't abolish jack shit Stalin and Lenin lived like kings.
Dylan Mitchell
We hate National "Socialism" because it isn't socialism at all and is basically just authoritarian corporatism.
Tyler Price
>this is what communists actually believe
Mason Gonzalez
Stage one capitalism. Free enterprise and individuals own the means of production.
Stage two- socialism. Taxes and government regulation lets the powerful and corrupt get to decide which businesses get to succeed.
Stage three -Communism, government seize everything. Then a small group of corrupt mafia style criminals seize the government and now control everything within the country.
Stage four- the purge, The ((communists)) get rid of there useful idiots and enslave to rest of the country.
Animal farm is a socialist's (Orwell's) Commentary on Stalin. Its not actually a critique of socialism as a whole. The Bolsheviks harnessed a legitimate workers revolution to put them (Bureaucrats) into power instead of the workers themselves.
Lincoln Martin
workers would lose democratic power in an automated communist society Because machines make up the majority of economic output, policy will favor them over labor, and workers would actually vote against themselves. the atheistic utilitarian viewpoint is that higher gdp will be better for workers in the longrun; see China
Cameron Wilson
WAH IT WUSNT REEL KUMINIZM
Henry Lopez
The definition of socialism is not everything the gubbermend does.
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Samuel Harris
So why exactly authoritarian corporativism managed to create incomparable better living conditions for common workers than true socialism?
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Gavin Ward
Well then I guess the USSR isn't considered to be real Communism now is it. Take your bullshit ideologies and get out of Sup Forums.
Asher Watson
>a safe space isn't enough for these people >they won't be happy until literally everyone believes what they do
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Xavier Carter
But the robots are owned by society as a whole so the outputs of the robots are distributed to the workers themselves lowering the workload.
Liam Ross
That was platitudes not an explanation. >Socialism. >In this stage the state becomes the workers state in which the workers become the ruling class and smash any bourgeois resistance the old state is destroyed and a new one constructed. This new state consists of localized workers councils that elect recallable representatives paid workmen's wages to a supreme senate which acts as a new goverment. This is exactly where Marxism dies.
Can any of you commies explain to me how the fuck this "withering" stage is supposed to work? From what I've gathered from history, socialist regimes don't usually give up their power easily once they've seized total control of the country, and if they do, it often is the result of some catastrophic collapse.
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Cooper Gonzalez
>(lol this is so funny for some reason) Why are lefties so humourless?
Brandon Brown
The nazi's economic system was good in the short term but basically depended on war to keep it running. It wasn't a sustainable system.
Nathan Taylor
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Eli Bell
Step three: everyone starves
Gabriel Cook
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Robert Rivera
Corporatism worked well enough for Scandinavia. It's perfect for a homogeneous high-IQ society
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Elijah Robinson
Step 1. Communism Step 2. ??????????? Step 3. No profit ever again
Cooper Rivera
It has to be global. Having a massive capitalist/imperialist power pointing nukes at you isn't helpful to having a relaxed non-authoritarian socialist state.
Those catastrophic collapses were due to sabotage by capitalists. Soros literally funded pro-capitalist media in USSR. Gorby's reforms were a mistake.
Pathetic. Only retarded pipedreamers will fall for communism. And rightfully so as naturally this is how survival of the fittest works. You'll always have the idiots, gomrades. Don't worry!
Wyatt Mitchell
>outcome we want equality of opportunity. No you don't Everything socialism stands for flies in the face of equality of opportunity. Equality of opportunity is incredibly simple to achieve and is what the founders of America fundamentally were enshrining with the signing of the Declaration of Independence. That being that all men are created equal endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. A government of equal opportunity simply has to protect these rights and leave people to their own means aka the fundamental framework of free market capitalism.
Its pretty funny that they don't consider the possibility that by allowing open discourse, peoples opinions change.
Chase Nelson
>Money and the state are abolished everything is free and distributed according to need. People work because they want to and to benefit mankind. Think Anarcho-star trek. Would be cool, but I probably wouldn't work though. Proudly born Arbeitsscheu.
Tyler Gutierrez
It can work if your state consists exclusively of very smart and altruistic people who are all dedicated to higher idea. So if there are only above average IQ whites (not asians, asians have no empathy, this is very important) in your country, you can attempt to do so, if there is standard white IQ of 100, it will no longer be possible as there will be people who abuse the system. And yet every marxist regime on Earth known to import large amounts of sub-90 IQ aggressive shitskins.
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Matthew Russell
>Tankies aren't communists! >"smash any bourgeois resistance the old state is destroyed"
Jesus commies are retarded. I'm glad you idiots were thrown out of helicopters en masse. You are known nation destroyers.
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Cooper Cruz
>If you believe labor creates value If you believe labor creates value you're the equivalent to economics that flat earthers are to astronomy.
Jeremiah Diaz
Prices are determined in socialism by supply and demand. Supply is calculated by taking inventory of products when they are imported or made. Demand is calculated by checking what is selling the best.
