Let me debunk some of the most favorite pol conspiracies:

[Aiden Gray]

Let me debunk some of the most favorite pol conspiracies:
1) Frankfurt school has nothing do to with the current political situation in the West. First of all, they are obsolete since the 80s. In 80s, postmodernism appeared and became the major philosophical idea, the most influential and mainstream one. By that time, in was combined with the rise of neoliberalism, Chicago boys and fall of the soviet union. All the left ideas in the West become pretty irrelevant, all the left parties become liberal ones, erased Marxist points from their programs etc. You should be retarded to aim at pretty much irrelevant philosophy school now instead of actual problems of globalized neoliberal world, Fukuyama's "end of history" and dominance of liberal democracies.
Also Frankfurt school was almost entirely about culture, not about politics, economy or some other real issues. It was all about mass culture making an ordinary person slave to media and how to oppose it. The only two political ideas they had were about politically influential knowledge and (earlier and not a Frankfurt school, but he influenced them) Gramshi's idea of cultural dominance (you should dominate over your opponents in media and among intellectuals to win) and that all was equally used by the left and the right (Fox News, various right wing think tanks, televangelists and cable channels, Beitbart and so).

To be continued in posts below

[Logan Hall]

Ok, пыня.

[Eli Jones]

>In 80s, postmodernism appeared
appeared out of thin air I guess
>entirely about culture
culture drives everything, especially politics which is now introducing far left policies into the mainstream.

youtube.com/watch?v=G_Ngy2aU_QY

[Ayden Parker]

2) People here constantly blame multiculturalism despite it's dead since the early 00s. You can easily google that even Merkel said this policy has failed. Since early 00s, Brits started "community cohesion" program, Dutch government, Germans etc announced this policy to be over, and it was finished all over the Europe (also some countries like France has always been against it). Europe doesn't talk about multiculturalism anymore, they talk about "integration" aka kind of American melting pot. Multiculturalism appeared in 70s in Canada as an attempt to destroy Quebec separatism and was eagerly borrowed by Europe which faced really mass immigration in 60s-70s and didn't know what to do with it. Of course as we see it has failed and Euros do not use it for the last 20 years. Many changes were made, I can talk more thoroughly about it.

[Asher Mitchell]

>far left policies into the mainstream.
You do not realize what you're talking about. Marxism has died in the West with the fall of Soviet Union. Problems you have now are the combination of identity politics (extremely cancerous shit which has appeared in USA in civil rights movement, dividing people and making a non-issue a major thing while not tacklng on serious problems) and neoliberalism as a dominant policy which is ruining welfare of people while making corporations richer. Postmodernism is justifying that all. Postmodernism appeared criticizing left wing ideas, Marxism and Frankfurt school along with it. Postmodernism claimed that progress and everything else are relative things, objective truth does not exist and all the culture, art and so should be apolitical memes and collage of everything known before. It's also pro-capitalism. Neoliberalism and Chicago boys are actually antagonists of anything Marxist and Marxism in the West is not totally a thing since 1991. You're totally in a tenets of liberal ideas and capitalism, while having retarded conspiracy theories aiming wrong side. Your paleoconservatives noticed Frankfurt school in 80s and you still run around with that shit tipping out of your ass despite world is extremely different now.

[Hudson Watson]

Marxism is on the rise again

[Leo Lopez]

>People here constantly blame multiculturalism despite it's dead since the early 00s
I had know idea the demographics of the US returned back to an overwhelmingly white nation.
>You can easily google that even Merkel said this policy has failed
That she only said to garner support from populous and what should be her conservative voter base. Her actions and policies didn't reflect her rhetoric after the fact.

>Europe doesn't talk about multiculturalism anymore, they talk about "integration" aka kind of American melting pot.
This is just semantics to make it easier. Immigration isn't slowing down in these nations already making complete immigration impossible. "American Immigration", just like the negros have integrated so well into American culture. Reminder they've been with us from the very beginning.

[Leo Phillips]

>culture has nothing to do with politics

Ok

[John Hall]

>Marxism has died in the West
Marxism is just now getting a hold on the West. How the fuck has it "died" in the West when it was never prevalent? It's here but under the guise of social justice, attacking race and privilege instead of wealth. It's still the same concept of the hierarchical caste system and serves the exact same purpose of attacking the wealthier class.

[Wyatt Brooks]

So you think the subversive movements that the Soviets promoted across the globe just disappeared when their handlers did? Your analysis is very good with the exception of your disregard for the staying power of these movements. The only thing coming close to having the same impact on US politics as the civil rights movement is the Watergate scandal and the resulting destruction of the press's cooperative relationship with government as well as public trust in government. The absence of implicit trust is part of the reason politics have become so partisan. You only trust "our guys" now.

[Parker Miller]

say it loud brother
I really fail to see how anyone actually reading anything from the Frankfurt school can still come to the conclusion that it has anything to do with what is going on today. Maybe if you're completely unaware of all writing coming after it, but still, even then, the texts are fairly straightforward in their rejection of the modern identity paradigm.

[Juan Rogers]

Multiculturalism is not about bigger or smaller immigration. It's an approach to people of different origin living in one society. Multiculturalism states that all the cultures are equal and should not be changed, people of different culture should live together. In fact it has led to kind of segregation and division in the society so they stopped using this idea and now they attempt to mix different communities into a one entity in a melting pot like USA has been doing for ages. You Americans never had any multiculturalism at all.
>That she only said to garner support from populous and what should be her conservative voter base. Her actions and policies didn't reflect her rhetoric after the fact.
Not really. Since the early 00s, Europe has been continuously making immigration laws stricter (Syrian refugees was the exception and were taken almost solely by Germany) and stricter while making naturalization laws for people inside the country more easy (moving to Europe was easier in 90s but obtaining citizenship was more difficult). Number of programs of integration raised significantly, they have started free language courses for immigrants, integration courses where you're told about the country history, laws and so. Before they had the idea that everyone is free to speak their own language and live a life not really different from a life of a immigrant in his home country.
Corbyn in UK, Bernie in USA. That's all in the West. And both are heavily opposed by influential liberal parts of their parties (New Labor is a great example of what hapened to the leftists after 1991 - becoming just a neoliberals with a more left approach to social issues). Also southern Europe has some rise of the Marxism and leftist populism like PODEMOS but there is not much people from southern Europe on pol.

[Austin Barnes]

What did vodka nigger mean by this?

[Hudson Stewart]

2

[Alexander Thomas]

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[Aiden Carter]

He means egalitarian relativism makes common cause with international capitalism and that this is the enemy - and that ascribing our ills fundamentally to Marxism is basically incorrect and a product of the history of the Cold War right.

[Isaiah Cooper]

Just lol

[Jace Gutierrez]

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[Wyatt Gray]

No, I understand that these people never read anything from Frankfurt school. But at least giving people the idea of postmodernism and the current state of the philosophy is necessity .
It has, but Frankfurt school political ideas were appreciated both by the right and the left and cultural part of it was just about mass media and mass culture being a shit making people a slaves. Current western politics are the result of neoliberalism, postmodernism and identity politics.
It was never prevalent but it was powerful before the 80s. In 80s left wing parties became unpopular and than USSR was ruined and it has led to death of Marxism in the West. Neoliberalism and liberal democracy became a dominant ideas, Fukuyama wrote "The end of the History", postmodernism became the major and most mainstream idea in culture.
You don't have any rise of it now. Bush presidency and 2007-2009 crisis have both raised some left wing sentiments, you got Occupy movements and so, but then came reaction we face now. These leftist sentiments have never become something serious, any part of mainstream. World is becoming more right wing pretty everywhere. The only remains of anything left wing are Corbyn and Bernie. Everything else is either right wing ideas or liberalism.
>attacking race and privilege instead of wealth
Is bullshit. It was what finally ruined leftists in USA and melted them with liberals. Identity politics are cancer making people care about their race and other shit. People become divided and oppose each other for the joy of capitalist. Instead of caring about real issues and class people start caring about meme issues. Marx has said that proletariat should abandon ethnic and national struggle and turn to class struggle with a common enemy instead. Identity politics are pretty much the opposite of that.

[Andrew Gomez]

That's some fringe shit in a critical theory tradition. It's neither mainstream in the West, neither has some real links to Marxism. It's just a shit piece of identity politics. Idea that "everything is political" is the only link to Frankfurt school here but it's equally was borrowed both by the right and the left - since 50s and ever earlier, everyone is looking for a hidden agenda besides any book and the movie and tries to put his agenda in anything he is doing. Both by the right and the left.
Great argument.
Soviet-backed forces have either waned out of politics (like a French Communist Party - though, Le Pen is kind of copying their program now, lol) or converted to liberalism (like New Labor).

[Andrew Watson]

>Marxism has died in the West with the fall of Soviet Union.
>culture has nothing to do with politics

[Lucas Rodriguez]

bump while I read and respond, I was away for a bit

[Xavier Cooper]

Read my posts below.
And yes, let me add: critical theory is pretty outdated now. Classical scientific approach of just describing how the things work is in trend now. Critical theory is used on a fringe sides of political spectrum now, mostly for political activism. And it's used both by the right and the left. The whole PedoMilo articles are a great example how can anyone make games review a political manifesto.

[John Thomas]

Your picreleated is a great example of what I am talking about. It has nothing to do nor with Marx, nor with Frankfurt school. "Racial pride" and "racial consciousness" are anti-Marxist ideas; Frankfurt school didn't wrote about racial relationships at all, they wrote mostly about mass culture and it's consequences on society. That's all are identity politics which benefit high classes with great ability to divide and conquer tactics for them to use. And identity politics are liberal, not the left idea.

[Isaiah Gray]

What's up, shill?

[Jack Gomez]

>Multiculturalism is not about bigger or smaller immigration. It's an approach to people of different origin living in one society
This is inexplicably tied to immigration. How else would foreign cultures be introduced into a population?
>in a melting pot like USA has been doing for ages. You Americans never had any multiculturalism at all.
But you're absolutely wrong here. USA was a melting pot of Europeans, specifically NW Europeans. The entire multiculti theory we have today is a very new idea and has failed miserably. Any culture introduced to America segregates itself like you referred to earlier in your post. Chinatown is an example as like I said earlier, the distinct black culture that's detrimental to our society completely. They haven't integrated after being with us from the beginning and have remained in segregation as well.
> Before they had the idea that everyone is free to speak their own language and live a life not really different from a life of a immigrant in his home country
This is because European countries didn't posses the numbers of undesirables to where the detrimental effects were noticeable. They wouldn't have to try to offer free language and history courses if there wasn't an existing problem to begin with. The integration policy is a desperate attempt to fix a problem she created herself and it will fail. This is why you can observe the rise of nationalism across European countries who have adopted similar policies. You also can't exclude the recent ME and NA migration. This is the most important aspect of immigration, and the source of almost all tension. Most of them are male, economic migrants from outside Syria.

[Brayden Wilson]

>Bernie in USA. That's all in the West. And both are heavily opposed by influential liberal parts of their parties
Sanders was a grassroots politician who was solely funded by the people. This should tell you what kind of support he possessed with the people. He was also completely cheated out of the Nomination by Clinton.

[Easton King]

>egalitarian relativism makes common cause with international capitalism
Anything makes common cause with international capitalism as long as it's profitable. Egalitarian relativism is drenched in Marxist ideology. Replace the proletariat with niggers and women.

[Dominic Kelly]

>First of all, they are obsolete since the 80s.
I notice a lot of slavic users make this grammatical error.

First of all, they have been obsolete since the 80's. Is the correct conjugation of "to be".

are
were
have been

[Lucas Robinson]

>Instead of caring about real issues and class people start caring about meme issues
So you're a Marxist

Also, you're absolutely wrong with your ideas that identity politics are "bullshit". Whites have been the only demographic to transcend the tribalistic mindset in the US. Where the fuck has that gotten us. You use the same argument as most intellectual kikes in the assumption that most people are logical, even assuming most people possess the ability to be logical.

[Connor Morris]

I was just posting a pic guy, not using it as any sort of argument. I'll respond to the rest of your post in a sec after I have a smoke

[Levi Foster]

1) The Frankfurt School did change Western culture, and this was the specific intent. If you actually read what came out of it, you'd realize the effect it had on academia (anti-positivism, critical theory, etc.), culture and politics. The fact that it stopped after the 80s doesn't change that the intellectual framework had already been mainstreamed. Herbert Marcuse is commonly acknowledged to be the father of the "New Left" in the 60s and the 68ers which shaped what the leftist movements in the West were about. It's not a coincidence that every single member was a Jew either.

Chapter 5 of Culture of Critique (Frankfurt School)
kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

Cultural Marxism Explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Yuri Bezmenov: Ideological Subversion
>youtube.com/watch?v=xFqShpJm_zc

Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society
>youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Cultural Marxism in action, political correctness. The tip of the blade:
>youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

[Documentary] The Decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

Minority Rule: The Rise of Political Correctness - Documentary
youtube.com/watch?v=tz8pzG02oxU

2) Multiculturalism never died. It's still official policy in Canada. It's still the general ideology behind that permeates the mass immigration in the West. Despite a few politicians like Merkel and Sarkozy saying it "failed" all the same time, it was just scripted talking point that never changed anything.

[Brandon Long]

>1) Frankfurt school has nothing do to with the current political situation in the West.
If you like Schumpeter, who said that the end of capitalism will be caused by capitalists themselves, you are right.
The main problem is the Marxism paradox: if capitalism is an unsustainable system, why couldn't proletarians just wait and see its debacle?

[Jose Jackson]

>It has nothing to do nor with Marx, nor with Frankfurt school. "Racial pride" and "racial consciousness" are anti-Marxist ideas
see

[Elijah Sanders]

Leaf with a quality post, never thought I'd see the day again

[Christopher Carter]

Do the hollow Earth and ancient humans theories next

[Charles Russell]

Why would we deny the effects of the Frankfurt School and co. when even the (((perpetrators))) admit it?

[Isaac Sullivan]

yes but david brooks is not part of the frnakfurt school now is it?
Rusky OP has been saying this for some time but I can repeat it. The narrative of Frankfurt school leading to what we have today is not correct. There is little evidence to support it, and quoting a contemporary Jewish political commentator will not help that.

[Aiden Kelly]

Of course it's tied, but multiculturalism was a strategy to deal with people coming, it was not about regulating immigration flow.
>But you're absolutely wrong here. USA was a melting pot of Europeans, specifically NW Europeans. The entire multiculti theory we have today is a very new idea and has failed miserably. Any culture introduced to America segregates itself like you referred to earlier in your post. Chinatown is an example as like I said earlier, the distinct black culture that's detrimental to our society completely. They haven't integrated after being with us from the beginning and have remained in segregation as well.

But American cultural policy has always been about melting pot though. Just in the era of racism people didn't thought about different races melting, it was meant that people should melt inside their race. After the end of segregation, conception of melting pot was spread on a whole population and policies like color blindness, creating mixed neighborhood and so was directed to do it.
>They wouldn't have to try to offer free language and history courses if there wasn't an existing problem to begin with
Of course, multiculturalism has failed so they started using another approach. Talking about multiculturalism in 2017 makes no sense.
>This is why you can observe the rise of nationalism across European countries who have adopted similar policies
Nationalism is also different thing than immigration. Putin is obviously nationalist politician yet we do not have visas with Central Asia and many people came while we were not such a shit country in 00s. Current wave has way more deep reasons because it's seen everywhere in the world, not only in Europe.
>You also can't exclude the recent ME and NA migration. This is the most important aspect of immigration
It had a big effect over politics but in fact it's a small drop in a number of immigrants who came to Europe since 1950s (and even earlier in a case of France).

[Jonathan Howard]

>1) Frankfurt school has nothing do to with the current political situation in the West.

>Also Frankfurt school was almost entirely about culture,

>Gramshi's idea of cultural dominance (you should dominate over your opponents in media and among intellectuals to win)

[Colton Flores]

>The narrative of Frankfurt school leading to what we have today is not correct.

See: HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL TALKED ABOUT HAS BECOME PART OF MAINSTREAM LEFTIST CULTURAL MOVEMENTS, THAT IT DIRECTLY SHAPED ACADEMIC THOUGHT WITH CRITICAL THEORY, AND THAT JEWS THEMSELVES, AND INSIDERS LIKE YURI BEZMINOV ACKNOWLEDGE THE MARXIST STREAM OF INFLUENCE THAT HAS INFECTED WESTERN SOCIETY AS A RESULT.

The Frankfurt School even had "Marxism" in the name before they decided to name it the "Institute of Social Research" in Germany. They basically turned Marxist subversion of Western culture into an ideology disguised as "social progress".

Marcuse and Adorno basically helped spearhead the Hippie movement among other things.

youtube.com/watch?v=gbzhmMDFcFQ

[Gavin Martin]

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[James Hernandez]

Yet Trump, pretty much the opposite of Bernie except anti-establishment ideas, won. I am not sure if Bernie would win if he would face a race with Trump. There is certainly a growth among left but it's pretty small compared to that you had during Great Recession and it's smaller than the rise of right wing.
>Replace the proletariat with niggers and women.
You can't, the whole Marxism is build upon the idea of class struggle. Marx mentions, that racial, national and other divisions should be abandoned to fight for a common interest of class. You can replace proletariat with nation and you would have nationalism. It makes no sense. Marxism is incompatible with identity politics.
Dude, it's very difficult for us to learn English properly, because most of us don't need it (everything is translated into Russian) and our languages are very different. I remember we are ranked 4/5 in difficulty to learn by a State Department for their diplomats.
>most people are logical
Of course they are not. Most of people are retards.
>Whites have been the only demographic to transcend the tribalistic mindset in the US
Well, not really. You wouldn't have all these segregated neighborhoods than.
>Also, you're absolutely wrong with your ideas that identity politics are "bullshit".
I mean it's a cancerous policy based on the fight of groups according to their identities despite people of all groups mostly have common material interests - no one wants poverty, everyone wants high quality education and medicine to be affordable, everyone want jobs etc. Moreover, division of American society makes you easy people to manipulate. You can easily make different group fight each other while corporations wouldn't be questioned at all.

[Chase Jenkins]

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[Nicholas Reyes]

>Yuri Bezmenov
Lol.
>The Frankfurt School did change Western culture
It didn't. It influenced some intelectual books and movies, moreover, postmodernism was a response to Frankfurt school. But in a fight with a mass culture they were obviously defeated by all means possible. Postmodernism on the other hand managed to fit itself to a mass culture and really has influenced it many ways (for example, whole meme culture is postmodernist).
>Herbert Marcuse is commonly acknowledged to be the father of the "New Left" in the 60s and the 68ers which shaped what the leftist movements in the West were about
But they have failed totally when Nixon was elected for example. Read Hunter Thompson, he gave good analysis on it. Also Marcuse was only one of the people who influenced New Left. He influenced them mostly in a sense of fighting with mass culture and media, returning to yourself and so, while politically New Left were different and were mostly democratic socialist or Marxist-Leninist. And New Left were not about identity politics. And they have always been a fringe group: up to the 1991 most of the left in the West were social democrats and after 1991 they became liberals.
>Multiculturalism never died. It's still official policy in Canada. It's still the general ideology behind that permeates the mass immigration in the West. Despite a few politicians like Merkel and Sarkozy saying it "failed" all the same time, it was just scripted talking point that never changed anything.
I have explained further what was changed, these changes were significant. It's by no means an idea concerning amount of immigration, it deals with people inside the country. And Canada is an exclusion. You do not even have right wing trend and haven't denied multiculturalism, which is not a thing in most of the West.
Some Jewish political commentator is not a member Frankfurt School and may say what he wants.

[Dominic Fisher]

the fuck?

[Brody Perez]

Who could it be?

[Michael Parker]

Good post OP. Unfortunately you will fail to penetrate their lizard brains. Too much cognitive dissonance

[Caleb Gray]

>But they have failed totally when Nixon was elected for example

He was elected as a reaction to their bullshit mainly, and their cultural influence never went away. And he was still character assassinated by them, the (((media))) and the establishment went at war with him so much that he was impeached.

>Some Jewish political commentator is not a member Frankfurt School and may say what he wants.
Marxism = Judaism

[Jacob Murphy]

As I said, those elements were a minor part of Frankfurt school and were borrowed by all the sides of political spectrum.
>HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL TALKED ABOUT HAS BECOME PART OF MAINSTREAM LEFTIST CULTURAL MOVEMENTS

Mass culture is still a thing. They were talking basically about fighting the mass culture and things making person a slave to media. It's obviously still a thing. Moreover, after postmodernism appeared, idea of fighting with mass culture became unpopular and everyone became accustomed to it. All the fighting ended. Postmodernists started writing books and making movies intended for masses.
>IT DIRECTLY SHAPED ACADEMIC THOUGHT WITH CRITICAL THEORY
Critical theory was popular at the same time with Frankfurt school being popular, and it's mostly outdated now (well, only some parts, like cultural studies, are still a thing - but a critical theory was a big advancement in a social science and it's extremely useful when you need to describe and analyze subcultures, counter cultures and other phenomenons like that).
>The Frankfurt School even had "Marxism" in the name before they decided to name it the "Institute of Social Research" in Germany.
Of course, they started as Marxists, but finally they concentrated almost only on cultural issues, aka ignoring 95% of Marxism, because it's mostly about economy and politics.
>Marcuse and Adorno basically helped spearhead the Hippie movement among other things.
You turn it the other way around. During cultural revolution and hippie movement, people needed ideas of cultural opposition to the mainstream culture. So they borrowed Frankfurt school ideas. You know, altrights are doing the same things now.

Again I want to stress:
There are no influential Marxist political parties in the West. You have some populist left like Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn but they are exclusions. The leftest mainstream you have are liberals with left wing social proposals.

[Colton Green]

Now they're doing the same thing with Trump. Shit hasn't changed that much.

[Christian Thomas]

>He was elected as a reaction to their bullshit mainly, and their cultural influence never went away. And he was still character assassinated by them, the (((media))) and the establishment went at war with him so much that he was impeached.
Lol, Nixon was establishment of all the establishment, and he was totally okay with media before the Watergate.
>Marxism = Judaism
You're mentally ill, as I see.

[Jacob Ramirez]

I need the pic where putin lures reptiloid with vodka.

[Kevin Gray]

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[Easton Hernandez]

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[Kevin Stewart]

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[Ryan Foster]

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[Jordan Walker]

Kennedy was pretty much a left wing, lol. He was liked by hippies you hate that much. And democratic medias are always in war with Republican presidents. He was okay with media.
Btw, why do you hate hippies? They made great things in culture: art, music, cinema. Of course they failed, they were destroyed by capitalism, commercialized. All their protest failed - and that protest was retarded sometimes, but you should be a moron do deny their cultural accomplishment from music to cinema. Such a masterpieces like Apocalypse Now! or Sgt.Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band are a product of that era.
Moreover, we also had hippies in USSR without any Frankfurt school.

[William Robinson]

I don't handle a conversation with combat pics. If you're serious about Jewish conspiracy and cherrypick Jews everywhere claiming every single Jew to be a part of conspiracy, there is nothing to discuss with you. Especially with quotes on a pics from internet.

[Blake Gray]

Oh so serious, everybody afraid

[Carson Allen]

What would the Frankfurt School say today?
youtube.com/watch?v=5dNbWGaaxWM&t=7s

[Jason Moore]

>he was totally okay with media before the Watergate

Like when he was whining about how they ripped at him during his race for governor in the early 60s? When he first 'quit' politics, you know?

"You won't have me to kick around anymore.." he said to the media.

[Hunter Bailey]

youtu.be/JA1edgj1U5E

You may be right on a lot of issues, but you're wrong on this one definitely.

[Adrian Peterson]

>Kennedy was pretty much a left wing, lol. He was liked by hippies you hate that much

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-War.html

Isn't it funny?

[Wyatt Moore]

How do you defend this when confronted with the problem that the Frankfurt School heavily influenced the New Right, and that Evola's politics were essentially the same as Marcuse?

Nowhere do these attacks on 'Cultural Marxism' ever discuss what is said. It's just a big straw man, which is great when you want to pull more reactionary idiots into your movement, but at the same time you will never build greatness with a foundation of idiocy.

[Cameron Barnes]

>They were talking basically about fighting the mass culture and things making person a slave to media.

They set up a blueprint of how Jews used their control of the media to change culture, which they did.

>finally they concentrated almost only on cultural issues, aka ignoring 95% of Marxism, because it's mostly about economy and politics.
Specifically, they wondered why the Communist revolution failed in the West but not in Russia, and they were busy with one question: how to change Western culture through subversion to make a Communist revolution possible in the West.

>You have some populist left like Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn but they are exclusions. The leftest mainstream you have are liberals with left wing social proposals.
They control all the banks, corporations, etc. While they would like to have completely control over the state, capitalism or communism suit them just fine. They are fine with the Democratic Party doing whatever they want even without a communist system.

He definitely leaned left but nothing like 60s generation or the Hippies, he praised Hitler, and refused to sell out the country to the banks and the Zionists, unlike LBJ and his brother Ted Kennedy.

Just because I like Beatles albums, doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the influence that led to some of them was bad. The reason you had hippies in the USSR is probably because you also consumed Western media.

[Samuel Nelson]

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[Carter Hall]

Well, it was before. But during his president campaign, Nixon was supported by the establishment, corporations and so, they gathered a lot of money to him. Nixon is very different from Trump.
And Zizek is the last remaining popular left wing philosopher, and one of the last thinkers using Frankfurt school ideas. Of course political correctness is a part of mainstream and mass culture now, so he opposes it. The idea of Frankfurt school is that you should be liberated from slavery of media and mass culture. All that is borrowed by both the left and the right, just right wingers use it when they are minority in a mass culture, and left wingers use it when they are minority. In 1970s it was pretty much the opposite than now, people hated you if you didn't call black people niggers, expressed some atheist views and so. Now in USA you would be hated by people for doing the opposite. But the whole approach to the problem adheres to Frankfurt school. You both use it.

[Tyler Martin]

>Frankfurt school has nothing do to with the current political situation in the West.
You are retarded.

[Chase Cook]

'The Jew is the bourgeoisie and our nation is the proletariat.'
Not impoverished Marxism

[Parker Murphy]

One of Marcuse's core ideas is that of 'repressive desublimation', essentially that acts of enjoyment or rebellion become oppressive. It is the same core idea as "A Brave New World".

Unfortunately, this doesn't fit the personal attack pseudomarxism of the Right, so it never gets mentioned.

[Luke Long]

the OP is a socialist shill from reddit. So sad.

If anyone wishes to learn,

Here is information on the Frankfurt school and Cultural Marxism (how it came to be):

a video:

youtube.com/watch?v=UhugUzUuPkE

and on the following page there's good information, from various authors:

italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/andrew-breitbart-psychosis-in-a-political-mask-part-one/

(scroll down to the colored boxes!)

another video, which shows a young hero representing the White race, who goes on a journey to kill degenerate and evil things like Feminism and Nihilism -- and at the end, he goes to the SOURCE of all those problems, which is Marx himself, and kills Marx... it all makes perfect sense if you understand it:

youtube.com/watch?v=7lwypeJzAkE

[Jack Campbell]

M8, I can't talk to you properly because all your JEWS JEWS JEWS.
>Specifically, they wondered why the Communist revolution failed in the West but not in Russia
Yes, they were.
>how to change Western culture through subversion to make a Communist revolution possible in the West.
No, in fact they have changed their understanding of Marxism. They decided that workers in the West lived too good lifes to revolt to the only class able to revolt are intellectuals. So they were all about it. (also they were just to early, most of modern communists define proletariat as all the hired people, not only the workers).

>Cultural Marxism'
Is just a buzzword people use to mark their opponents with. On int I saw a Libyan dude calling Islamists "Islamic Marxists" while obviously they have nothing in common with Marxism or Frankfurt school at all.
>Frankfurt School heavily influenced the New Right
I have posted above, that modern altright movements follows some ideas of Frankfurt school - and everyone follows them now.
The thing I don't understand is why do they all stick to this Frankfurt School argument while Frankfurt school is pretty much outdated school of thought from 20th century and everyone is about postmodernism now? Seriously, Zizek is the last one serious person who still adheres to this tradition. Why don't they blame Derrida and co? Why do they blame Marxism while neoliberalism is dominant force in world politics? It's literally the reason of all the shit they hate, from globalization and immigration to low tech manufacturing put to the poor countries. Why do they blame Marxism while after 1991 there are barely any serious Marxist parties in the West? Why do they associate identity politics with Marxism while Marxism is against it by the words of Marx himself?

[Jackson Nguyen]

Neocons were also useful idiots for the Jews. All the people who influenced the movement like Irving Kristol were usually ex-Troskyite Jews. They're why the GOP became the Party of (((Wall Street))), wars for Israel, and basically dropped all the nationalist and socially conservative elements. They basically took it over and purged all of the Old Right. They always try to control both sides of the political spectrum.

Evola wasn't like Marcuse, he criticized both capitalism and Marxism.

>Nowhere do these attacks on 'Cultural Marxism' ever discuss what is said
I invite people to read everything that was said in the Frankfurt School's works and even linked a bunch of videos and one chapter from the Culture of Critique. I'm not gonna do it in a thread like this that's gonna die in 30 minutes and I haven't read any of their material for months and I don't have it memorized or bookmarked.

[Jack Brooks]

lol you are retarded
postmodernism doesn't exist, is just a way to convince young people of not do anything while the modernists fight between themselves

> It was all about mass culture making an ordinary person slave to media and how to oppose it.
This is exactly the problem, and you can't see it cause you are too smart to be alive, aren't ya lad

[Camden Diaz]

COMMIE ALERT

[Eli Morales]

>If anyone wishes to learn
He should open the Wikipedia at first and then read some books of Frankfurt school, at least One Dimensional Man, Escape from Freedom and so. Not reading some retarded propaganda. Also I am from 2ch, not reddit.

[Jace Reyes]

>Is just a buzzword people use to mark their opponents with.
It really isn't, is not hard to understand what it means, it means you believe that a specific reigning culture is oppresive because it generates two different categories of people akin to classes and should be subverted to get the "lower" class to reign

>Zizek
Get the fuck back to leftypol

[Jaxson Thomas]

>He should open the Wikipedia
>He should open the Wikipedia
>He should open the Wikipedia
>He should open the Wikipedia
>then read some books of Frankfurt school
>then read some books of Frankfurt school
>then read some books of Frankfurt school
>then read some books of Frankfurt school
>Not reading some retarded propaganda
>Not reading some retarded propaganda
>Not reading some retarded propaganda
>Not reading some retarded propaganda

You are not from 2ch, you are from 2x4ch leftypol's, your general retardation and unwarranted belief of superiority for being a random globalized 18yo demonstrates it

Post pic of your skinny jeans and dr martens now

[Nathan Turner]

>postmodernism doesn't exist
Very funny.
>This is exactly the problem
It's a problem and they have failed with fixing it.
>Evola wasn't like Marcuse, he criticized both capitalism and Marxism
As well as Frankfurt school criticized Marxism as well and changed the core parts of it.
>I invite people to read everything that was said in the Frankfurt School's works and even linked a bunch of videos
Who are conspiracy propaganda.

[Mason Garcia]

>Very funny.
It really doesn't, explain to me whats the categorical difference between a postmodernist and a modernist.
>inb4 you give me a wikipedia definition
Just do this, put blanks in the nouns of both definitions and then tell me if it isn't the exact same.
Im not being funny, this is a subject that actual academics still argue about.

>It's a problem and they have failed with fixing it.
No, you don't get it, the problem is you believe that mass culture is evil, when actually its the degradation of mass culture done to subvert mass culture that has carried us to this level of degeneracy and what you call "neo-liberal policies" and i call nihilistic greed.

>As well as Frankfurt school criticized Marxism as well and changed the core parts of it.
Nah, Evola is reactionary

>Who are conspiracy propaganda.
Are you afraid of getting your brain infected by the evil rhetoric?

[Ian Phillips]

>It really isn't, is not hard to understand what it means, it means you believe that a specific reigning culture is oppresive because it generates two different categories of people akin to classes and should be subverted to get the "lower" class to reign
The moment it's switching to something other than class it's not a Marxism anymore. It's a liberalism with ideas of equality of rights and so. Currently neoliberalism is dominant along with identity politics so such ideas are popular, but there is no any thinker who would claim he is a Cultural Marxist, not a single school of thought called like that. There is no word like that in Frankfurt school. It's buzzword right wing mark their opponents with.
Btw, why are you triggered by Zizek that much? He s just a last remaining example of a person using Frankfurt school apparatus.
Why does the reasonable way to learn on a subject you're interested in makes triggers that much? Where did I say I am superior?

[Nathan Parker]

>Sup Forums: Russia is against Jew World Order

>Putin signs laws to criminalize anti-semitism, >Makes holocaust denial illegal
>Bans nazi symbols
>25% of the richest Russians are jewish
>Putin meets and discusses with Henry Kissinger
>Sup Forums Russia is playing 4D chess!
>Sup Forums Putin is hiding his true tactics!

Have you considered the possibility that an international jewish conspiracy doesn't actually exist and Putin knows this unlike you morons.

[Christian Sullivan]

>wikipedia

[Jacob Lewis]

>whats the categorical difference between a postmodernist and a modernist
Well, I would define the most major ideas of postmodernism as following: there is no objective truth, world and culture are just a bunch of texts we should have fun with, progress is relative and irrelevant. So it leads postmodernist to endlessly make collages of the history of the path, combine variations, make texts full of quotes. The endless intellectual game. Capitalism and mass culture are also seen as a gathering of texts to play with and they are okay.
>No, you don't get it, the problem is you believe that mass culture is evil
It's not inherently good or bad, but we are all the slaves of it, following trends and opinions we are told. Only a small number of people thinks out anything, most just borrow ready attitudes and opinions from medias. Mass culture is obviously used by various corporations to enrich themselves. Take a look at fashion industry. People who follow it throw away good clothes they liked once in the past because they aren't fashionable anymore. They spend more money to buy new things.
>degradation of mass culture done to subvert mass culture
Lol, would you imply it was good in the past? It has always been shit.
>Nah, Evola is reactionary
I was not the user who said they are the same, I just say the both criticized Marxism and Capitalism.
>Are you afraid of getting your brain infected by the evil rhetoric?
No, I just have heard it thousand times before and I honestly think that to get the correct impression on the subject and form your opinion you should read neutral sources and original sources.

[Hunter Davis]

>The moment it's switching to something other than class it's not a Marxism anymore.
See? Leftypol, you have 0 abstraction potential, there is a reason you were left for die in that shit chan

>It's a liberalism with ideas of equality of rights and so.
Nope, the idea of equal rights was a foundation of the American republican democratic systems. What we have today is beyond equal rights, its about equalizing cultural differences.

>Currently neoliberalism is dominant along with identity politics so such ideas are popular, but there is no any thinker who would claim he is a Cultural Marxist, not a single school of thought called like that. There is no word like that in Frankfurt school. It's buzzword right wing mark their opponents with.

Tell me what a "right winger" believes in, buzzword master.

Its a convenient way to talk about people who carry marxist class struggle into the cultural spectrum.

Also, Marxism is identity politics, class is a spectrum, not a firm division.

>Btw, why are you triggered by Zizek that much?
He is a fat disgrace for a person who gets his dick sucked by anachronistic internet commies because he still argues for Marxism.

>Why does the reasonable way to learn on a subject you're interested in makes triggers that much?
Its not a reasonable way, its the stupidest way to learn stuff.

[Grayson Roberts]

You didn't define modernist, but let me ask you this:
How is anything that you have written, anything but another utopic end of history like those modernists of pre1960s talked about?

>It's not inherently good or bad, but we are all the slaves of it,
You just contradict yourself, how can someone enslave you but not be bad?

>following trends and opinions we are told
So basically you are the slave of your parents for not being free to have the opinion to put your fingers into the electrical sockets?
Tradition serves a purpose.

>Only a small number of people thinks out anything, most just borrow ready attitudes and opinions from medias.
Mmm,
>Where did I say I am superior?
Mmmmm.

>Mass culture is obviously used by various corporations to enrich themselves
Nope, mass media injects stuff into mass culture to try subvert the culture. And before you start flinging shit at people i want you to give a deep look at the movies you like and the books you like, see who produced them, see who uploads videos of Zizek, with what money, and then come tell me that mass media isn't cultural marxist.

>People who follow it throw away good clothes they liked once in the past because they aren't fashionable anymore. They spend more money to buy new things.
Whats wrong with this? Do you understand why and how the middle classes even exists?

>Lol, would you imply it was good in the past? It has always been shit.
No in this way it hasn't, there were troubles with resources, today there's troubles with the human spirit.

>No, I just have heard it thousand times before and I honestly think that to get the correct impression on the subject and form your opinion you should read neutral sources and original sources.
Wikipedia is not neutral, and the originals aren't either, the only way to form your opinion is to listen without judging. And you haven't heard it at all, you are arguing from hearsay and its obvious.

[Samuel Edwards]

Sup Forums, don't feed the leftist bots, by engaging in discussion with them or intelligently disproving all their shit. I know it's tempting to do. But they've made up their tiny minds long ago. They will never listen to truth and reason and logic.

Laugh at them, or ignore them.

When you give them direct attention; even when you totally crush them; that actually empowers them -- because they want outsiders to read, and they hope that at least SOMEONE who reads falls for their nonsense and lies.

In their mind, if they waste their own life, and the time of others, as long as they (through emotional tactics) "win over" 1 low-IQ individual -- then it's a success.

[Gabriel Richardson]

So?
>0 abstraction potential
If you contradict basic ideas of Marx you're not Marxist, it's logical.
>the idea of equal rights was a foundation of the American republican democratic systems
I.e. liberal democracy.
>What we have today is beyond equal rights, its about equalizing cultural differences.
Liberals see that people of different groups have different opportunities, that's why they are fighting for it (while not rising rich vs poor antagonism). Equal rights are meant to provide people equal opportunities. So they actively attack anything that in their opinion violates it.

>Tell me what a "right winger" believes in, buzzword master.
Well, in my opinion, left wing ideas are based on idea of struggles of classes, right wing ideas are based on a struggle of ethnicities, nations, and entities like that. Economical entities and "spiritual" or cultural entities. And there are many ideas combining both the approaches.
>Its a convenient way
Convenient among right wingers
>who carry marxist class struggle into the cultural spectrum.
Have never heard Lunacharsky or Mayakovsky called Cultural Marxists. Frankfurt school didn't discussed class struggle that much, post-Marxists abandoned it at all, as well as postmodernists. So not a single group usually called Cultural Marxists by right wingers is not bringing class struggle (and is barely Marxist).
>Also, Marxism is identity politics, class is a spectrum, not a firm division.
Actually classes are firm division. Read about classes in marxism. They are defined by their connection to posessing a property in the means of production.
>gets his dick sucked by anachronistic internet commies because he still argues for Marxism
And people on pol constantly crying about Marxism taking over, Marxist conspiracies, Frankfurt school influence and so. Glad to see someone here admitting that Frankfurt school is obsolete.

[Zachary Garcia]

Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with class struggle; you misunderstand what we mean when we talk about "Cultural Marxism". The thing is that, Marxism talks about a proletariat, which is oppressed by the bourgeoisie, and thus, for equality, this bourgeoisie must be oppressed.
Cultural Marxism talks about an "oppressed" group of people (niggers, women, faggots and the likes) which are oppressed by the "white man" and thus, for equality, the white man must be oppressed.

[Nolan Evans]

>but let me ask you this:How is anything that you have written, anything but another utopic end of history like those modernists of pre1960s talked about?
Postmodernism appeared in 80s, not 60s. End of History was not a modernist theme, modernism is a belief in a constant progress of humanity and various ways to achieve such a progress. Postmodernists think that liberal democracy is the end of history and the best way of organization of human society possible. There were not ideas like that before.
>You just contradict yourself, how can someone enslave you but not be bad?
Is water bad? If you don't drink it, you die. But it's a natural thing you can do nothing about. Same with mass culture.
>So basically you are the slave of your parents for not being free to have the opinion to put your fingers into the electrical sockets?
Yes, you're correct. Of course some things mass culture teaches you and your parents teach you are good and true. But imagine you're born in some remote village in Afghanistan where parents teach you jihad, female genitals mutilation and heroin use. Not all the traditions are good and useful, many hold back the society. And aside the educational part, mass culture has a huge amount of commercial part which purpose it to take your money any way possible.
>Mmm
I didn't say I don't do it either. When I want to figure out anything, I would lead thoroughly about topic but if I just want go know a basic or I need to know but I am not interested myself, I would just take the ready opinion from a person I like.
>mass media injects stuff into mass culture to try subvert the culture
Mass media is a part of a mass culture, it's a tool to broadcast mass culture to the people. There is no mass culture in a first place someone can subvert, mass culture is what media conveys to the people.

[Joseph Gonzalez]

> want you to give a deep look at the movies you like and the books you like, see who produced them, see who uploads videos of Zizek, with what money, and then come tell me that mass media isn't cultural marxist

Lol.
Was Tolkien a Marxist? Is Tarantino Marxist? Is Big Lebowski a Marxist movie? Snatch? Was Lovecraft a Marxist? Idk who's uploading Zizek, I read his books usually.
>Whats wrong with this?
People wasting money they earn without serious reason? Money they could use for something useful?
>Do you understand why and how the middle classes even exists?
Middle class is a vague term with no certain meaning (unlike classes in Marxism btw).
>No in this way it hasn't, there were troubles with resources, today there's troubles with the human spirit.
You can't measure a human spirit, at first. And at second, it always was shit, irrelevant of resources.
>Wikipedia is not neutral, and the originals aren't either
As well as your videos of clear intentions.
>the only way to form your opinion is to listen without judging
Lol. I could understand if you supposed to listen your sources along with other sides but your idea is retarded.
You can change word leftist in your copy paste and you would have a universal answer.

[Easton Clark]

>bunch of baseless assertions
>debunked
fuk off Vlad

[Liam Young]

Gramsci is the father of cultural Marxism, not the Frankfurt school.

[Aiden Collins]

>Postmodernism appeared in 80s, not 60s.
:^) pic related

>End of History was not a modernist theme
>There were not ideas like that before

>The end of history is a political and philosophical concept that supposes that a particular political, economic, or social system may develop that would constitute the end-point of humanity's sociocultural evolution and the final form of human government. A variety of authors have argued that a particular system is the "end of history" including Thomas More in Utopia, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Karl Marx, Vladimir Solovyov, Alexandre Kojève and Francis Fukuyama
.
>The phrase, 'the end of history' was first used by French philosopher and mathematician Antoine Augustin Cournot in 1861 "to refer to the end of the historical dynamic with the perfection of civil society".

>The formal development of an idea of an "end of history" is most closely associated with Hegel, although Hegel discussed the idea in ambiguous terms, making it unclear whether he thought such a thing was a certainty or a mere possibility.

>Is water bad? If you don't drink it, you die. But it's a natural thing you can do nothing about. Same with mass culture.
You miss the point, you are not a "slave" of water, slavery has negative connotations.

>Not all the traditions are good and useful
I agree, only Western ones are.

>Mass media is a part of a mass culture
Its really not, Mass media is the technological and corporative aparatus that disseminates the voice of elitist globalist jews

>mass culture is what media conveys to the people.
No, mass culture is the culture of the masses

>I would just take the ready opinion from a person I like.
I argue you should actually do the opposite, and if you listen honestly but the opposing guy doesn't give you any point that you can accept, then you deny it, but most times than not, you end up with a better and less politicized understanding as you now will have a more centered stance.

[Isaac Garcia]

Read the thread, I've mentioned Gramsci too (and explained that his ideas were borrowed both by the right and the left). Also I explained why there is no such a thing as cultural Marxism except just buzzword like cuck.
>The thing is that, Marxism talks about a proletariat, which is oppressed by the bourgeoisie, and thus, for equality, this bourgeoisie must be oppressed
No, according to Marxism, oppression would be ended when the means of production would belong to proletariat because it would destroy classes.
>Cultural Marxism talks about an "oppressed" group of people (niggers, women, faggots and the likes) which are oppressed by the "white man" and thus, for equality, the white man must be oppressed
All this thread I am explaining that there is no idea like that in Frankfurt school or in a leftist political though at all. It's a fringe radical part of liberalism combined with identity politics, not mainstream, irrelevant and holding barely to no influence. Actually even these fringe people talk about "taking back the privilege", not oppressing anyone.

[David Carter]

>i have no idea what intersectional feminism is

[Zachary Lopez]

>entirely about cultural
That's why we call it cultural marxism, idiot

[Gavin Bailey]

>Frankfurt school has nothing do to with the current political situation in the West

It's the French School. They are the ones who invented terms like islamophobia and homophobia after they came to the US. They are the pc police.

[Jeremiah Taylor]

"Its not real marxism"
It never is