The "violence" in the Qur'an and foundations of Islam is not what you all make it seem. Let me try to explain

The "violence" in the Qur'an and foundations of Islam is not what you all make it seem. Let me try to explain.

"Jihad" is the Islamic concept of "struggle." There are two main types of jihad: greater jihad, or the internal struggle to make oneself a better person, and lesser jihad, the external struggle to make society a better place. In the latter, there are three subcategories: jihad by the word, jihad by the hand, and jihad by the sword. The Qur'an strongly encourages external jihad to first be taken with the word and by the hand. Jihad by the word includes actions such as writing books to change a country, writing letters to businesses and congress, etc. Jihad by the hand is crafting or building things to improve the world.

Jihad by the sword is strongly discouraged in the Qur'an, but it is allowed in certain circumstances (strictly limited to only in self-defense and to overthrow a dictator). And, the Qur'an has extremely strict rules for this warfare, stricter than the rules of war of the UN. Killing the elderly and children is forbidden, killing those in mosques is not allowed, warriors are not allowed to commit suicide in their battles, etc. Islam is truly a very peaceful, humanitarian religion, but it is also practical in this sense because it allows war when it is the only successful and effective method of improving the world (objectively).

Muslim terrorist groups such as ISIS take this idea of jihad and radicalize it. They ignore the principles of Islam that forbid inhumane acts of war, and they are criminals of Islamic law. We all need to become more aware of these core foundations of Islam, and we cannot associate these horrible organizations with the beautiful religion itself.

Islam is a religion of peace, and we all just need to learn about each other before we form such harsh judgements and prejudices.

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TL;DR

I really don't care. Islam, like any other similar religions, need to go.

Fuck Muslims.

t. Muhammed childfucker

it's literally the biggest problem on this fucking planet today.

COULD YOU WALK AWAY FROM ISLAM AND NOT FACE MURDER?

Oh hey yeah Sufism is a pretty great philosophy. Too bad that's not what a majority of middle eastern Muslims believe.

I'm at the point where literally the only utility I see in Islam is having traditional Arab/Persian traditional conservative qts flood the West to increase sexual marketplace competition for men in order to get Western women to behave better and fix most of our problems. Other than that it's a cancer upon the earth and the world would be universally better off without it.

It's never going to work, stop posting this stupid shit here

Not climate change?
Not an increasing replacement of human workforce with technology and no infrastructure to deal with it?
Not the fact that more people die in the US from being overweight than people die from terrorism?

I hate Islam but don't make idiotic statements like this.

Middle eastern women are only conservative when it comes to being modest, and even then its only the religious ones who would never talk to you unless you were a muslim. Other than that they're extreme socialists.
Why would you want to leave the greatest religion ever?
I don't know what Sufism is.
Wow jealous much?
I am only trying to educate you

Refute this mudslime

The trick behind the apparent inconsistency of the Quran and why the radical Muslims are always correct: Like no other holy book among the world religions, the Quran contains an abundance of contradictory expressions. What is forbidden in one place is expressly demanded in another, and vice versa. However, the contradictory quality of the Quran is only an apparent one. It falls apart abruptly when one recognizes the very carefully protected secret hidden within the architecture of the Quran. For the Quranic Suras (chapters) are not arranged chronologically, but rather according to their length – and the newer Suras (from Muhammad’s violent later phase when he was in Medina) override the older ones from his era in Mecca that were comparatively more peaceful. However, this secret is guarded by Islamic scholars very closely as if it were a holy grail – and is aired only on particular occasions.

(An Essay from Michael Mannheimer, Germany, March 23, 2010 )

>Other than that they're extreme socialists
WTF does that have to do with how they act in a social setting? I'm a NatSoc so that's not a huge problem for me, but I don't think you really got the gist of my point anyway.

Example

The Qur'an is unique among sacred scriptures in accepting a doctrine of abrogation in which later pronouncements of the Prophet declare null and void his earlier pronouncements.

>Chapter 9 of the Qur'an, in English called "Ultimatum," is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation and jihad against unbelievers. It is the only chapter that does not begin "in the name of God, most benevolent, ever-merciful."[54] Commentators agree that Muhammad received this revelation in 631, the year before his death, when he had returned to Mecca and was at his strongest.[55] Muhammad bin Ismail al-Bukhari (810-70), compiler of one of the most authoritative collections of the hadith, said that "Ultimatum" was the last chapter revealed to Muhammad[56] although others suggest it might have been penultimate. Regardless, coming at or near the very end of Muhammad's life, "Ultimatum" trumps earlier revelations.

>Because this chapter contains violent passages, it abrogates previous peaceful content. Muhsin Khan, the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari, says God revealed "Ultimatum" in order to discard restraint and to command Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as against the People of the Book if they do not embrace Islam or until they pay religious taxes. So, at first aggressive fighting was forbidden; it later became permissible (2:190) and subsequently obligatory (9:5).[57] This "verse of the sword" abrogated, canceled, and replaced 124 verses that called for tolerance, compassion, and peace.[58]

Suyuti said that everything in the Qur'an about forgiveness and peace is abrogated by verse 9:5, which orders Muslims to fight the unbelievers and to establish God's kingdom on earth.

meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam

Which type of Islam does this fall under?

Why would I be jealous of a shitty religion that endorses rape, murder and all around just bad things? Islam and all its derivatives need to go and stay go.

>muh little and big Jihad

Yeah, fuck off. faggy bait.

The reality of the situation is that mudshits see themselves as superior and would literally genocide kaffir given the chance. It says so in their holy book, which they see as laid upon them by their prophet/god, it's a violent ideology which has no place in the west.

Daily reminder that Jews are the real enemy and muslims are not even 1% of the threat that jews are to white civilization.

>WTF does that have to do with how they act in a social setting?
Oh I don't know maybe they will tell you how muslims and other minorities are oppressed and how we need to protect undocumented citizens?
Every middle eastern girl I know voted for Clinton and hate Trump and right wingers. They're the same as any other liberal white girl except they don't fuck until marriage, and those are the religious muslims. The less religious/secular ones fuck like any other white girl but they only fuck other middle eastern men.
My universities muslim club for example gives 50% of their funding to black lives matters.
But we do none of that.

Wtf i hate kurds now

Because you're a minority. Don't taqqiya me. I know all your dirty tricks. You're just like the jews.

The point that you cannot leave the fold of Islam peacefully is evidence of its absolute tyranny in practice. Moderate or not you are losers that have been around since the beginning of penis envy.

shill thread. plz.

You can leave if you want... you'll just lose all the benefits of being a muslim as well as being excluded from the muslim community. We won't physically hurt you though.

>We won't physically hurt you though.
:^)

gtfo

go throw acid on yourself

WTF I hate Kurds now:

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Is there a single poster from Amurica White anymore?

Ban americuck IPs only niggers mudslimes and faggots are left in this shithole

>biggest problem on planet
>Jews

Choose one T.shlomo shekelsteingoldman

Humanitarian or no, I won't allow you to tax me because i don't follow your sect, sand nigger. The reason why I don't like islam is that it is a political branch (the quran is a god damn lawbook) that requires a strong state. So fuck you, goat shagger.

>The "violence" in the Qur'an and foundations of Islam is not what you all make it seem.
It's exactly what it seems as anyone with the most basic grasp of Muhammad's character, and the early Muslim conquests, is well aware.
> There are two main types of jihad: greater jihad, or the internal struggle to make oneself a better person, and lesser jihad, the external struggle to make society a better place.
Hmmm - and why don't you tell us which of those 2 is overwhelmingly more prominent in the life of Muhammad and of the early Muslims who fucking invaded and conquered everything in sight?
>ihad by the sword is strongly discouraged in the Qur'an, but it is allowed in certain circumstances (strictly limited to only in self-defense and to overthrow a dictator).
Completely contradicted by the reality of Muslim warmongering and unprovoked aggression against/conquest of non-Muslims from Muhammad onwards.
>Muslim terrorist groups such as ISIS take this idea of jihad and radicalize it.
No, they take the original idea of Jihad as practiced by Muhammad himself and apply it.
> They ignore the principles of Islam that forbid inhumane acts of war, and they are criminals of Islamic law.
So apparently Muhammad himself and the earliest Muslims (in fact pretty much Muslims at any stage in history) ignored the supposed principles of Islam. Muhammad himself was apparently a cimrinal under the law he himself created.
>Islam is a religion of peace,
It isn't and never has been - as you know fine well you disgusting scum. Islam was founded by a child-raping, slave trading, warmonger. Islam was spread from Muhammad onwards by war, war, war against non-Muslims.
>and we all just need to learn about each other before we form such harsh judgements and prejudices.
Nah thanks we've been learning about 'Muslim tolerance' and 'Islam is peace' at the point of fucking Muslim swords for almost 1400 years now.

KYS.

Fuck Islam, and fuck you, faggot.
We will crush you under our boot heel, right before we kill you and everyone you're ever loved.

>You can leave if you want... you'll just lose all the benefits of being a muslim as well as being excluded from the muslim community. We won't physically hurt you though.
Jesus Christ you are shameless. Yup - there is absolutely NO evidence of bloody, murderous, repercussions for apostates from Islam in any Muslim country or amongst Muslim communities in the West.

Islam is anti white.

It's gotta go

us or them.

TAQIYYA

kek
It really IS the religion reserved for the pajama wearin' short staffers.

let me explain this 5.56 through your head.

>ISLAM IS THE ENEMY AND YOU ALL NEED TO BE KILLED.

>Moderate Muslims
kek

>ISIS are radicals
>but we support them, fund them, house them, and lobby to get them into your country to sabotage it from the inside

Gonna need better bait than that, Ahmed.

lying sandnigger

This

Prophet Mohammad spread Islam through peace. He sent envoys to different parts of the middle east and asked them to join Islam. They learned about Islam, saw it for what it really is, and gladly converted.
And here is the actual map. Yours is wrong

>opposes a religion for its violence
>Wants to be violent and kill

Weew m8 the degree of hypocrisy really tingles my mingles

Great.

Keep it in the desert where it belongs.

sage

It's not a religion, it's a political ideology of conquest.

Mohammed was pedophile warmonger and nothing more.

Tell that to the persians and byzans.

thats the politics of the people on the top of the country. ask what citizens of the countries think about. %80-%90 people wont support isis. and even that leaders help them. they do it secretly. who is proudly sayying they are helping isis ?.
so theres no "we" theres corrupt and fucked up leaders.

You know the prophet had Persian companions right? Even his mentor was Persian.
By the time Omar Ibn Al-Khattab reached Persia most of the population was already muslim. He had little work to do. Same applied to Phoenicia, Sumeria, and the rest of the middle east

Nice copy pasta. It hasn't been even a single year since I started lurking here, and I've seen this half a dozen times. Kill yourself.

WTF I LOVE MUDSLIMES NOW!!!!!!!

This made me horny. Post moar.

Why you don't you have a qt mudslime waifu yet you dirty kaf- I mean fellow hWhite person!!!!

>make society better

By making it Islamic. No thanks, go back to fucking your donkey you sub-human monkey.