/com/ Communism General #3

his thread is for the discussion of leftism, marxism, socialism, and communism, anarchism, strasserism.

>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)

>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.

>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.

>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.

Resources:

ABC's of Socialism: s3.jacobinmag.com/issues/jacobin-abcs.pdf

Introduction to Marxism by Professor Richard D. Wolff: youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

Selections of Left-wing Literature:

Anarchist:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Libertarian:
Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read)
Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice
Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism
Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils

Marxist-Leninist:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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youtube.com/watch?v=pzqW0YaN2ho
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I love communism and dick.

Coincidence? Probably not lol.

lmao

Go be a faggot somewhere else

I had the OP printed out in my classes one time.
Of course communism came with big "in theory" caption.

Hail comrades

Don't we already have two gommie threads? /leftypol/ raids are getting to be a bore. At least give us some new stuff to cringe at. Sage

Communism killed millions of people. It's no joke. Read Solzhenitsyn. Sort yourself out.

Capitalism kills tens of millions every year.

Any other comrades think people like Zizek and Chomsky are controlled opposition?

>A person dies somewhere in the world
>This is capitalism's fault

Don't work and you don't eat. This fact has been true long before capitalism.

Cringe

Sage foes to the options field

If someone can't afford a 10,000$ per pill live-saving drug, that's their own fault, and not the person who's killing them in exchange for a profit?

Why doesn't a communist country provide food and medicine for all the worthless people in the world then? How does the blame fall on capitalists when communist indifference is just as fatal?

Communist countries provide food to people in their country. You can't seriously expect a single country to provide for every single person in the world.

>You can't seriously expect a single country to provide for every single person in the world.
Nor can I expect Venezuela/North Korea to provide food for the people in their own countries.

What food

Do you want an armed revolution?

capitalism created someone's desire to invent such a drug in the first place that could potentially save the person's life you cuckold

And yet we still have the same result as if it was never invented. Funny isn't it?

>/leftypol/ autists = muh gommunism will save the worker from the capitalist parasites who exploit them
>Sup Forums autists = muh jews control gommunism you left wing parasites are just shabbos goys
>reality = socialism and communism are and always will be utopian, unattainable ideals since human nature and psychology, resource scarcity and exploitable loopholes in practical socialism always end up turning it into a shitty tyranny by mediocrities

It didn't work.
It doesn't work.
It will never work.

Socialism is a wishful dream.

They can't even feed their own people. Why are capitalists expected to feed the world but communists are not?

2 men in Moscow in 19801 were walking in the street and the first man asks the second man if he thinks that they have reached full communism, and if this is the most communist you can be and the second man says "Oh hell no, it's gonna get much worse."

>When there is no single definition of communism but everything that isn't communism is capitalism

>Venezuela
Failed miserably at enacting communism. They are not at all self-reliant and they still have currency.

>North Korea
Doesn't exactly seem concerned about having a living population.

But it's not real capitalism.

Except for the people who can afford the drug. Nice hole in your argument bruh.

Capitalism is a distinct lack of economic control. That's like saying there is no single definition of government but everything that isn't government is anarchy.

What the fuck is that contraption even supposed to be?

Yes, those 0.1% are doing fine. They are the ones who hiked up the drug price in the first place.

>It wasn't/isn't real communism

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

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>It's better for an expensive drug not to be invented than for it to be affordable to the few who can afford it

You are really bad at this.

This.

REAL capitalism has neva ben dun befor

Not gonna lie, former Communist here. This is fucking hilarious watching communism crash and burn on the world stage. But in all seriousness we can't let this ideology take Trump's nuclear codes.

The only useful purpose communism ever had was forcing robber barons and cutthroat capitalists of the late 19th/early 20th century to institute worker rights and increase pay to more than "barely enough to survive" for fear of revolution.

Really the only thing communism is good for - a scary specter of "what could happen if you keep being dicks". Implementing it in reality has, in 100% of cases, resulted in widespread death, destruction of culture and history, totalitarian tyranny and many other crimes against humanity.

Communism and Fascism are both cancers of the world.

> Inb4 communism was never truly tried meme

user..... sort yourself out

Ya but OP already said that wasn't real communism so that's that.

>He thinks communims is the control over the economy
>He thinks controlling the economy totally is possible

Topest kek, communism is no inherently economic authoritarianism holy shit

Free Market: Allows exchange of resources where both parties benefit.

Communism: Allows (((repossession))) of goods where (((one))) benefits at the expense of other.

Gee I wonder which system is better?

And don't get me started "commnisms never been attempted" shit, FIRST THING ALL past communist attempts did was FORCED REDISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES.

youtube.com/watch?v=pzqW0YaN2ho

My boy Picard is Commie as fuck yo.

>USSR
>CCCP
>Khmer Rouge
>Cuba
>Venezuela

All regimes renowned for their economic freedom.

>Communist contraption goes right back to the worker

You mean to the state capitalist bureaucracy.

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>sogshalism is an egonomig and sogshal sysdem in wich gugkery gontrols produgtions
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>in gapitalism beeple don sdarv and dad is no goog for gommies:----PPP
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resougses:
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How is communism crashing? If anything, capitalism is falling apart all over the world. Why did you turn your back on revolutionary class struggle?

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>Failed miserably at enacting communism.
So what state SUCCEEDED at enacting communism? And if the price of ATTEMPTING communism is 100m+ dead through war, famine, and gulag, with no identifiable successes, then why the fuck would anyone think that's a good idea?

>number of capitalist states: 191
>number of communist states: 4
>capitalism is falling apart all over the world
It must be nice to be so detached from reality that your headcanon is more real than reality itself.

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Cuba. Cuba would have done swimmingly if the US hadn't tried to destroy them.

Slightly biased anwser, but the closest any communist country ever came to actually being good for it's citizens was commie Yugoslavia, and even then the only reason that happened was because the US and the West were giving Tito huge amounts of free gibs to stay away from the Soviets, and vice versa.

As soon as the gibs stopped coming , the whole thing came crashing down.

Holy shit you got me good

Every single time socialism has been instilled, there have been dissenters. Socialism always leads to communism, as a state cannot survive in socialism without a powerful state. In order to keep its power, the state disposes of any objectors.
Communism, in every government that it has been put in place, has always led to the deaths of incredibly large portions of people.
If you support communism, you are human trash.
If it's red
It's dead.

Bruh, you can't be serious. Inequality is at an all time high. People are voting for protectionists and social democrats like crazy, just to save the sinking ship. Capitalism is done for.

It's a religion, user. They quote Das Kapital and the Manifesto as though they are authorities on economics despite being complete nonsense, refer to themselves after their saints (MARXist, LENINist, MAOist) in contrast to the more descriptive terms others use (liberal, conservative, libertarian), believe in furthering their beliefs through violence, and believe in a priest caste (the vanguard party).

>workers own the factors of production
>they need to somehow manage them
>they elect people or support a revolution so that eventually some people (the State) manage the factors of production

>still not true communism

You commies and your shit nonsensical thief ideology need to get thrown from a helicopter.

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for you

*manage the factors for them

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Fuck communism and fuck communists

why has communism always failed to produce op's pic? why has communism always ended up smashing the very people who it was supposed to benefit?

Strasserist here.

>normal cycle of democratic politics = communism is coming back
not like protectionists or social democrats ever had power in any capitalist state before right?

Yeah, this but capitalism.

Hard kek

Communism seeks to get rid of all inequality. Strasserism seeks all inequality but with equal starts. Both communism and capitalism disregard the notion that people cannot be interchangeable. That's why I am not communist, but still believe in more economic equality and the abolition of private property.

I would hope so, they got so much money in subsidies from the Soviet Union that their economy collapsed when the wall fell. Also:
>be USSR puppet state on the United States' doorstep
>expect not to get fucked with

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This thread is now an AUTISM General thread

Business and economics are largely different. Businesses don't really look at complex economic theory.

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KILL YOURSELF

dude, get educated

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You've got the order wrong. Cuba was forced to turn to the USSR because the US shut them out from everyone else.

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What was it before?

cool pics of a fake world but communism is trash that fail abysmally wherever it is implemented

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Look here fag

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>Have one shot at life
>Be born a commie

Just fuck my life up my family member.

communism has still wrecked every nation it has touched

/r/ing the communism vs national socialism edit

This is an advanced strawman

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capitalism is theft. productivity in America is at its highest but wages keep dropping.

Communism is a perfect ideology. Just ask Jim Jones!

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Have you ever spoken to the average leftie? Either you're all that dumb or you really need to educate your ranks.

>both parties benefit
you do realize this is a big lie and that free market and capitalism require exploitation of people

Communism is anarchy. You mean socialism..
I find it funny how commies call fascists outdated when fascism is newer than communism. WW2 was mostly a new outlook of overthrowing capitalism. That was the intent with many intellectuals of fascism. The new outlook today is nationalist. Why do you think the American establishment attacked social nationalists like Saddam and Ghadaffi?